I was surprised seeing Pugh at guard with Beatty out. But it makes sense in a way. With Flowers being tried at lt as a rookie, it has to help having an ol with tackle feet like Pugh next to him. Pugh can more than hold his own in passing situations at guard. Maybe he can help deal with blitzes and inside moves that can confuse an inexperienced rookie, making the transition easier for Ereck Flowers.
RT probably belongs to Newhouse unless he flops, and when Beatty is healthy we'll see if a battle develops. RT is not Beatty's best position, but if Flowers is solid at LT then Beatty will have to prove utility otherwise.
The problem with your picture, is that you think Jerry sitting on the bench is problematic.
That said, Schwartz has played RT before and could end up there if Jerry (or one of the other OGs) outperforms the other OT candidates during camp.
The problem with your picture, is that you think Jerry sitting on the bench is problematic.
That said, Schwartz has played RT before and could end up there if Jerry (or one of the other OGs) outperforms the other OT candidates during camp.
Compared to Newhouse? As bad as you think Jerry is, Newhouse has shown less especially recently. The Schwartz to RT is an interesting thought though.
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The problem with your picture, is that you think Jerry sitting on the bench is problematic.
That said, Schwartz has played RT before and could end up there if Jerry (or one of the other OGs) outperforms the other OT candidates during camp.
Compared to Newhouse? As bad as you think Jerry is, Newhouse has shown less especially recently. The Schwartz to RT is an interesting thought though.
whats even worse is that apparently, the Giants really like Newhouse. (Alarms sounding)
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The problem with your picture, is that you think Jerry sitting on the bench is problematic.
That said, Schwartz has played RT before and could end up there if Jerry (or one of the other OGs) outperforms the other OT candidates during camp.
Compared to Newhouse? As bad as you think Jerry is, Newhouse has shown less especially recently. The Schwartz to RT is an interesting thought though.
Sure, compared to Charles Brown, Jerry looks good. My point is if Jerry ends up on the bench, it's a good thing, not something to lose sleep over.
I'm holding out hope one of the young guys (Mosley, Hermann, Jones, Hart, Bamiro, etc) shows enough to crack the opening day lineup at RG/RT with Schwartz manning the other spot. Long term, they really need to find another Diehl/Seubert to join the 3 high picks.
That's likely the case, but hopefully one of the long shots surprises. Wouldn't be the first time someone unexpected started, especially when the talent (Jerry/Newhouse) is subpar.
He has a great attitude and is approaching this challenge with the determination to be the best LG he can be.
This OL was a mess up the middle last year, but fairly stable at the tackle spots. I think we should just leave Pugh at RT since he is our second best OT now without any question, but then again, I'm just a fan...
I can only speculate, but I would suggest Flowers would have been given at least some chance to compete for LT even had Beatty been here. They threw Flowers in the fire at LT right away in rookie camp and as a top 10 pick if he can handle the spot he was going to get his shot.
I agree with others -if things go as hoped, we are looking at a left side that may well anchor the spots from LT to OC through the remainder of Eli's career. The Beatty injury is probably accelerating things, but best to build cohesion now why you can. The good thing about the injury is that it happened early.
If Newhouse ( or one of the other tackles ) is not a good option, I would assume will see Schwartz at RT & probably Jerry at guard. Still not really disruptive, Schwartz back to guard.
Let's hope the rookie can meet the challenge.
At least one of young OT prospects now has a prime shot to make some noise and make the roster. Let's see if a Bamiro or Cleary or Donnelly is the goods.
That said, I think the two of them playing next to each other from day one, will benefit both.
And the comment from Pugh that klaatu posted says it all.
This is not an implied criticism of the staff. Obviously this player has a perceived fatal flaw.
You do what you can with what you've got.
The Giants seem intent on stabilizing the left side of the O-Line. That's a good thing.
The right side may be in flux for a while, but it's still very early.
I wouldn't be surprised if RG/RT still have to shake out. My "favortite" combo has Schwartz @ RT and a young planet theory big body @ RG. Love to see Hart in that spot by YE. (I'm ignoring what they do when Beatty comes back.)
Off Topic, but:
- Tom said Ayers injury came on the first play of scrimmage, and showed annoyance at the lack of understanding of the contact rules at this stage of the OTAs. "Shouldn't have happened."
- A picture from one of the writers yesterday showed the first play of scrimmage with Ayers tightly locked up with Flowers. Was Flowers the "bad boy" trying to show right off the bat that he belonged?
As for Pugh next to Flowers, Pugh hasn't played LG. Putting him next to a rook LT doesn't seem to help much in my eyes.
It's possible, but I would think the coaches would prefer identifying the RT quickly so the line gets plenty of playing time together.
Hopefully that player is someone other than Schwartz. Even without Beatty' s injury, imo the key to better overall OL play is the interior. I think Schwartz at guard is the best bet of that happening. If the interior, plays strong it will finally allow Eli to be able to step up consistently, and improve the running game. Both of those things will take the pressure off the tackles. It would be the best help you could give a rookie LT & whoever else is at RT.
This is actually very good news. If Flowers can actually hold his own (with Pugh's help) at LOT this year, I think that's fantastic moving forward.
Pugh could probably play 4 Oline positions if he masters guard.
When Albert got hurt, they moved James to LT and the offense was fine (maybe even improved). Now with Albert back, James has moved back to RT, probably for the duration of Albert's contract, but at least now they know James can be a good LT.
There's too much hand wringing going on. The Giants will work this out, despite BBI consensus.
I'm all for flexibility but people shouldn't have to learn every position. Here is what I would like to see.
- Flowers : left tackle and that is it. They are confident in him. He should start there and entrench himself for the next 10 years.
- Pugh - see above.
- Richburg - focus on center and maybe spend some (very little) time at left guard.
- Jerry - left and right guard.
- Schwartz - right guard/tackle.
- Newhouse - both tackles.
That allows for some flexibility.
I am very disappointed in our depth but you have to start somewhere. I love Flowers at LT but with Pugh as a guard now and no Beatty our tackles look extremely weak on paper.
As it stands, Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz are starters (G-C-G), Flowers and Newhouse are the starting OG's and Bamiro is a B/U OT. Moselet, Gettis, Cleary and Reynalds are not starters either. What is your point?
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AT G, C, G we have Pugh, Richburg, Jerry and Schwartz. At the tackle spots we have Flowers, Newhouse and Bamiro. What wrong with this picture. Am I the only one to think 4 of our best 5 OLs are playing for the 3 spots in the middle. Are they really going to sit Jerry or Schwartz for Newhouse and make Bamiro the #1 backup at tackle?
As it stands, Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz are starters (G-C-G), Flowers and Newhouse are the starting OG's and Bamiro is a B/U OT. Moselet, Gettis, Cleary and Reynalds are not starters either. What is your point?
Meant Flowers and Newhouse are the starting OT's
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AT G, C, G we have Pugh, Richburg, Jerry and Schwartz. At the tackle spots we have Flowers, Newhouse and Bamiro. What wrong with this picture. Am I the only one to think 4 of our best 5 OLs are playing for the 3 spots in the middle. Are they really going to sit Jerry or Schwartz for Newhouse and make Bamiro the #1 backup at tackle?
As it stands, Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz are starters (G-C-G), Flowers and Newhouse are the starting OG's and Bamiro is a B/U OT. Moselet, Gettis, Cleary and Reynalds are not starters either. What is your point?
As I said: "Am I the only one to think 4 of our best 5 OLs are playing for the 3 spots in the middle." and "Are they really going to sit Jerry or Schwartz for Newhouse and make Bamiro the #1 backup at tackle?" What's yours?