AAA-
Rivera 0-3, BB
Tovar 0-3, BB
Pill 4 innings 12 hits 7 runs 1 walk 2 k's
AA
Cecchini 0-3, 2 BB
King 0-5, 2 K
Boyd 0-2, 2 BB
Gee 6.1 innings 5 hits 3 runs 2 earned 2 walks 4 k's
Koch 1.2 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Sewald 1 perfect
A+
McNeil 1-4,SB,K (should be promoted)
TDA 0-3
Conforto 1-4
Smith 2-3, 2b
Rosario 0-3
Stuart 1-3, K
L. Taylor 6 inninga 5 hits 4 runs 4 walks 2 k's
Regnault 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's
Coles 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 3 k's
A
Meisner 7 innings 4 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's (intriguing arm, project)
Guillorme 1-5
Garcia 1-4, 2 k
Becerra 1-4, 2b, K
Conforto is getting fast tracked. He is coming in late 2016!
amd trade off Granderson next spring!
He underwent lumbar spinal fusion surgery that May to address the pressure on a spinal nerve.
It took Lugo a while to get back since he needed surgery, but he seems to be doing fine now with it past him. He is 7 years younger than wright, but i still don't consider 32 that old.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/102344/farm-report-seth-lugo-off-to-quick-start-with-b-mets - ( New Window )
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“I didn’t really feel much pain in my back besides a few back spasms here and there,” Lugo said. “All the pain was from my hip all the way down to my toes. My whole right leg was just really painful, just like someone was stabbing me all over.”
He underwent lumbar spinal fusion surgery that May to address the pressure on a spinal nerve.
It took Lugo a while to get back since he needed surgery, but he seems to be doing fine now with it past him. He is 7 years younger than wright, but i still don't consider 32 that old. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/102344/farm-report-seth-lugo-off-to-quick-start-with-b-mets - ( New Window )
Better hope not. Lugo lost a full year of time to this surgery. If this is Wright's situation you'd be looking at All-star break 2016.
ok. got it.
someone goes, with the 6-man rotation Gilmartin would make 14 pitchers. that's absurd and if it's not a 6-man rotation then Gee is in the pen.
If the six man rotation sticks, the team may only go with six in the pen as well.
ok. got it.
Hysterically weak point if you are referring to Duda.
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advanced metrics sometimes we don't, when they fit our arguments and support our opinion of the player, fangraphs gets quoted. but when they don't, the answer is 'we all know he's a good defensive player"
ok. got it.
Hysterically weak point if you are referring to Duda.
How so? I sadistically read through a multi-day argument between you and someone else saying with you saying that Kirk N was a "very good" player because fangraphs said his war was X and extrapolated over a season that made his WAR Y which is good, so stats don't lie.
that's what you hung your hat on despite the fact we all watched how downright miserable he was batting less than 100 (yes, less than 100 - Bartolo Colon territory; actually less than Bartolo to be honest) and striking out almost half of his at-bats.
now with Duda frangraphs say his defense is negative. Not ok, but negative and your answer is "we all see he's good defensively".
Do you see the hypocrisy in yourself? Do you see the lack of credibility you have?
yes sure, my argument is hysterically weak. can't have it both ways.
It's been so interesting watching this regime's prospects develop. I'm sure all of us have paid the daily farm reports a lot more attention over the last few years since there wasn't much else positive going on, I know I have, and for me personally it's been fascinating to see everything play out. None of this regimes picks were regarded as super toolsy guys, but all of them have seemed to consistently show positive signs, improve, and appropriately developed as they've aged.
But the key difference between the 2014-15 Mets and any Mets team I've been watching over the last 20 years is my belief that the talent going into the system is actually going to develop. Year after year we had Milleges, Escobars etcs of the world who just never panned out for skills/injury reasons. The Mets system right now is just doing a better job than I can ever remember in the key period BETWEEN acquisition and MLB debut.
will be solid not great players that will have productive careers
Garin blasted his way through to A+ even AA to some extent, but has kind of stalled and hasn't ascended the Red Sox prospect chart like they expected.
Gavin, drafted three round ahead almost immediately was labeled "bustini" by certain BBI mets fans and has his neede turning in the opposite direction.
People don't realize sometimes when you draft an 18 year old (like Nimmo or Cecchini or Dom Smith) there is so much projection.
it's why baseball players bust so often.
those three all can still bust, but to me 19/20 years old was too soon to give up on Cecchini (or Smith) like a lot of fans do.
for me I think back to myself at that age and laugh. I was struggling to get people to buy beer for me and these guys have to worry about message board posters calling then "bustini" or if they're developing power like expected for a corner infielder. LOL.
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advanced metrics sometimes we don't, when they fit our arguments and support our opinion of the player, fangraphs gets quoted. but when they don't, the answer is 'we all know he's a good defensive player"
ok. got it.
Hysterically weak point if you are referring to Duda.
How so? I sadistically read through a multi-day argument between you and someone else saying with you saying that Kirk N was a "very good" player because fangraphs said his war was X and extrapolated over a season that made his WAR Y which is good, so stats don't lie.
that's what you hung your hat on despite the fact we all watched how downright miserable he was batting less than 100 (yes, less than 100 - Bartolo Colon territory; actually less than Bartolo to be honest) and striking out almost half of his at-bats.
now with Duda frangraphs say his defense is negative. Not ok, but negative and your answer is "we all see he's good defensively".
Do you see the hypocrisy in yourself? Do you see the lack of credibility you have?
yes sure, my argument is hysterically weak. can't have it both ways.
Dude. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about but you are completely going off the rails today and your lack of understanding in SABR and metrics in general is astounding. When I cited Kirk's WAR last year it was because I was trying to show that in a limited time he was an effective player in 2014, if not downright good. In other words, he had a good 2014. In 2015 he sucked and now he's gone. I don't know what there is to discuss here. What point are you trying to make?
As for the discussion today. Looking at the metrics for all of our starters only Granderson is really hurting us as Ive said countless times. As Dan pointed out, 1st base is a negative position typically so even Duda grades out very well this year. And I could give two fucks if you don't find me credible. You clearly don't know your ass from your elbow in regards to any of this.
will be solid not great players that will have productive careers
Yeah I'd agree. I don't follow how the Cardinals draft so I'm not sure that's a concerted effort they've made (Giants/Red Sox too for that matter) but those are the types of guys that seemed to always win with over the past decade, in addition to great pitching. Though each of those teams also supplemented their rosters with key acquisitions like Pence, Holliday, Manny, etc.
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advanced metrics sometimes we don't, when they fit our arguments and support our opinion of the player, fangraphs gets quoted. but when they don't, the answer is 'we all know he's a good defensive player"
ok. got it.
Hysterically weak point if you are referring to Duda.
How so? I sadistically read through a multi-day argument between you and someone else saying with you saying that Kirk N was a "very good" player because fangraphs said his war was X and extrapolated over a season that made his WAR Y which is good, so stats don't lie.
that's what you hung your hat on despite the fact we all watched how downright miserable he was batting less than 100 (yes, less than 100 - Bartolo Colon territory; actually less than Bartolo to be honest) and striking out almost half of his at-bats.
now with Duda frangraphs say his defense is negative. Not ok, but negative and your answer is "we all see he's good defensively".
Do you see the hypocrisy in yourself? Do you see the lack of credibility you have?
yes sure, my argument is hysterically weak. can't have it both ways.
Dude. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about but you are completely going off the rails today and your lack of understanding in SABR and metrics in general is astounding. When I cited Kirk's WAR last year it was because I was trying to show that in a limited time he was an effective player in 2014, if not downright good. In other words, he had a good 2014. In 2015 he sucked and now he's gone. I don't know what there is to discuss here. What point are you trying to make?
As for the discussion today. Looking at the metrics for all of our starters only Granderson is really hurting us as Ive said countless times. As Dan pointed out, 1st base is a negative position typically so even Duda grades out very well this year. And I could give two fucks if you don't find me credible. You clearly don't know your ass from your elbow in regards to any of this.
My lack of understanding, LOL, ok. have a good night.
HH: Duda is negative? You: He isn't we all know he's been great.
All this is irrelevant to the point HH and I were discussing before the children interrupted. the Mets are not the kind of team to win with pitching and defense IMO not to mention the offense is lacking at least one hitter - which was the point.
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So is that a negative next to his defense or not?
And here comes the ZG play book, get proven wrong and insult the other person and then get owned and eventually play the victim.
I understand exactly what first base is and how the metrics work, but that does not change the fact to headhunters question about Duda being negative. Does it.
It's a simple question, it's binary. yes or no.
he's negative defensively. Period. sky blue kind of thing. not debatable.
Does that impact the Mets that much? No for reasons DMM has mentioned and of all the first basemen qualified is he third? irrelevant, but it simply doesn't change the calculation from a negative to a positive no matter how many insults you hurl.
is that negative?
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to understand what Im saying. As Ive said, and Dan has said, FIRST BASE IS A NEGATIVE POSITION. Why is it a negative position? Because they assume its not a very athletic position and just about anyone can play there. That's not Duda's fault. Literally every first baseman in baseball is negative except for two! Not sure why thats not getting through your thick skull. Duda has been one of the top three defensive first baseman in baseball. He seriously might win a gold glove. And that's not being hypocritical. That's looking at the fucking metrics.
And here comes the ZG play book, get proven wrong and insult the other person and then get owned and eventually play the victim.
I understand exactly what first base is and how the metrics work, but that does not change the fact to headhunters question about Duda being negative. Does it.
It's a simple question, it's binary. yes or no.
he's negative defensively. Period. sky blue kind of thing. not debatable.
Does that impact the Mets that much? No for reasons DMM has mentioned and of all the first basemen qualified is he third? irrelevant, but it simply doesn't change the calculation from a negative to a positive no matter how many insults you hurl.
How on Gods green earth did you prove me wrong on anything? lol. Please cite one thing. Im the one that pointed out that Duda's grade was just barely negative(because I myself said TDA, Lagares, Flores, Murphy, Duda, and Cuddyer were having at least average defensive seasons if not good) and Dan and others pointed out that doesn't even matter because First base is a negative position. If anything me and HH were having a discussion and proving YOU wrong on your comment that only Lagares was having a good season defensively. You are clearly dead wrong on all of this and have been back peddling ever since.
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Adrian Gonzalez(who has won multiple gold gloves) is grading out at -2.9. lol.
is that negative?
Lol. I guess you just can't grasp it. You are taking the word literal. As if negative means bad. When it comes to first base it doesn't necessarily. Duda is having an excellent defensive season.
negative is negative. Duda is below average as determined by the people doing the calculations.
DEF is position adjusted.
You don't get that almost all first baseman in all of baseball will always have a negative grade, I don't know what to tell you.
I think they need a bat. My point was to do that you need a little bit stronger defense and a little bit better offense.
It doesn't mean I feel their defense is awful as a team, it's not, or great as a team, it's not.
But I don't think it's good enough for them to win a WS on pitching and defense.
Even if you want to stick to what your saying he's just below average then. I said just about everyone has been about average or better from the beginning.
There is zero case you can make that even with his slightly negative rating he has been BAD. Zero.
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Isn't a single position we are weak at defensively right now except RF and that's only because of Granderson's arm. Murphy and Cuddyer are completely exceeding expectations.
Granderson and Cuddyer are in the 15 worst defensive outfielders in the NL (bottom 3rd of all defensive OFers). Flores has a negative grade, Duda is negative. all according to Fangraphs.
Who is positive? Lagares like I said, and Murphy, barely. Didn't check, but pretty sure neither catcher is a defensive stalwart, 3b is incomplete.
there is rose colored glasses which I can appreciate and then there's delusion.
This is the post I took offense to and where this all started. There is a ton of wrong in there and I was simply pointing it out.
Lol. Ok. Im sorry man. You're right.
If that's who it is he may be their coach of the year because it's astounding to me how good their advanced numbers are compared to the rest of the league. Lagares is the only true + defender in the lineup right now and yet across the board they are at worst average.
Also without one of our best gloves(Wright). Our third base defense has been abysmal (Cambell).