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NFT: Mets Minors 5/28/2015

DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 9:36 am
AAA-
Rivera 0-3, BB
Tovar 0-3, BB
Pill 4 innings 12 hits 7 runs 1 walk 2 k's

AA
Cecchini 0-3, 2 BB
King 0-5, 2 K
Boyd 0-2, 2 BB
Gee 6.1 innings 5 hits 3 runs 2 earned 2 walks 4 k's
Koch 1.2 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Sewald 1 perfect


A+
McNeil 1-4,SB,K (should be promoted)
TDA 0-3
Conforto 1-4
Smith 2-3, 2b
Rosario 0-3
Stuart 1-3, K
L. Taylor 6 inninga 5 hits 4 runs 4 walks 2 k's
Regnault 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's
Coles 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 3 k's


A
Meisner 7 innings 4 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's (intriguing arm, project)
Guillorme 1-5
Garcia 1-4, 2 k
Becerra 1-4, 2b, K

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DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 9:40 am : link
Could Matt Reynolds be on the way to the bigs? Didn't play last night, pitchers pinch hit over using him #mets
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Ira : 5/28/2015 9:47 am : link
In comment 12303833 DanMetroMan said:
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Could Matt Reynolds be on the way to the bigs? Didn't play last night, pitchers pinch hit over using him #mets


Who would he replace? - Muno?
gsellman  
sshin05 : 5/28/2015 9:49 am : link
promoted, gant demoted

Drooling at the point of next season with harvey, noah, jake, matz, and wheeler
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DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12303846 Ira said:
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In comment 12303833 DanMetroMan said:


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Could Matt Reynolds be on the way to the bigs? Didn't play last night, pitchers pinch hit over using him #mets



Who would he replace? - Muno?


Most likely. Just seems strange pitchers would PH + Lawley didn't play for AA... just guessing on my part. Maybe I'm wrong, very possibly I'm wrong.
RE: gsellman  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 9:54 am : link
In comment 12303853 sshin05 said:
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promoted, gant demoted

Drooling at the point of next season with harvey, noah, jake, matz, and wheeler


It was strange they pushed Gant so hard in the first place.
Matt Reynolds  
Giants : 5/28/2015 10:00 am : link
I'm really hoping they are not thinking about bringing Reynolds up. The guy has talent but to bring him up now would be a mistake. Having watched him play many times this season.Reynolds is not ready for major league pitching. He is a good fielder but his bat just is not ready. Let him stay at AAA for now,don't rush him
RE: Matt Reynolds  
spike : 5/28/2015 10:01 am : link
In comment 12303881 Giants said:
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I'm really hoping they are not thinking about bringing Reynolds up. The guy has talent but to bring him up now would be a mistake. Having watched him play many times this season.Reynolds is not ready for major league pitching. He is a good fielder but his bat just is not ready. Let him stay at AAA for now,don't rush him


I dont think he is part of the 40 man roster.

Also, I hope Gsellman is part of the next wave of Mets pitching prospects. It seems bare after Matz and Montero
With  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 10:03 am : link
Molina seemingly likely needing TJ it is very thin after Matz/Montero and figures to be for the next year +. Just not many high upside arms in the system other than Meisner who is a 2+ year project.
If Reynolds is called up  
Shecky : 5/28/2015 10:03 am : link
Then it isn't good news for Wright
Just  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 10:06 am : link
to be clear 10000% just guessing in the dark on my part given his not starting, pitchers hitting over him and Lawley randomly not playing as well. I'm probably wrong.
What happened to Cesar Puello  
spike : 5/28/2015 10:13 am : link
that he 's so bad to the point that he can t even warm the bench for the Mets?

He has to be better than Ceciliani
RE: What happened to Cesar Puello  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12303916 spike said:
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that he 's so bad to the point that he can t even warm the bench for the Mets?

He has to be better than Ceciliani


60 day DL
RE: RE: What happened to Cesar Puello  
spike : 5/28/2015 10:20 am : link
In comment 12303920 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12303916 spike said:


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that he 's so bad to the point that he can t even warm the bench for the Mets?

He has to be better than Ceciliani



60 day DL


how sad, given the gaping hole on the bench and backup OF spot. What was his injury?
Puello's  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 10:24 am : link
injury is a stress fracture in his back.
DMM  
CMicks3110 : 5/28/2015 10:35 am : link
What are we going to do in the bullpen with Blevins, Black, Parnell, and eventually Mejia returning. I am really liking Robles/Goeddel, and Black and Parnell have not exactly lit it up in rehab.
RE: DMM  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 10:41 am : link
In comment 12303969 CMicks3110 said:
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What are we going to do in the bullpen with Blevins, Black, Parnell, and eventually Mejia returning. I am really liking Robles/Goeddel, and Black and Parnell have not exactly lit it up in rehab.


Black apparently is going to be back very, very soon. Parnell supposedly touched 97 last appearance so we will see about those 2. My guess is Robles/Goeddel are the ones who lose their spots initially. Doesn't sound like Blevins will be back anytime soon (late June/July last I heard). Mejia will be out for a while. I suspect Parnell/Black replace Robles/Goedell, not sure it's such a great swap but I guess we will find out?
Im guessing Reynolds has  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 11:09 am : link
a minor injury or something and that's why he was held out. It would be extremely odd to add him to the 40 man right now and call him up to play third.

Its possible but I feel its unlikely.
Leathersich will get demoted  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 11:09 am : link
before Goedell/Robles.
RE: If Reynolds is called up  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 11:12 am : link
In comment 12303896 Shecky said:
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Then it isn't good news for Wright


Agreed. Only reason I can think they would call up Reynolds now. They found out Wright will need to miss months or something along those lines. I guess Murphy can move to third and Reynolds could play second.
While I 100%  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 11:21 am : link
think the Mets will go pitching heavy in this upcoming draft, its not like the Mets are going to have any pitching needs whatsoever for the next 3-5 years. So unless you are strictly looking to acquire trade chips for down the line I don't see the issue. How many teams can graduate a Harvey, Wheeler, Montero, Thor, Matz, and deGrom and NOT have a little lull??

And even so.

Mets should still have Montero as an insurance policy or a trade chip almost immediately.

In AA, Lugo, Gsellman, Ynoa, and Fulmer all have different levels of intrigue. One or two could emerge.

In A ball Wiek, Meisner, Molina ect are on the way.

We don't have 5 more Harvey's on the way or anything yet but I wouldn't say its barren.

RE: While I 100%  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12304069 ZGiants98 said:
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think the Mets will go pitching heavy in this upcoming draft, its not like the Mets are going to have any pitching needs whatsoever for the next 3-5 years. So unless you are strictly looking to acquire trade chips for down the line I don't see the issue. How many teams can graduate a Harvey, Wheeler, Montero, Thor, Matz, and deGrom and NOT have a little lull??

And even so.

Mets should still have Montero as an insurance policy or a trade chip almost immediately.

In AA, Lugo, Gsellman, Ynoa, and Fulmer all have different levels of intrigue. One or two could emerge.

In A ball Wiek, Meisner, Molina ect are on the way.

We don't have 5 more Harvey's on the way or anything yet but I wouldn't say its barren.


TJ expected for Molina, Wieck likely a reliever per BA and Ynoa has been absolutely awful (and not good in AA last year).
Jeff  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 12:45 pm : link
P who sways "pro Met" 100% agreed the pitching is very thin after Matz/Montero. Said Gsellman and Meisner are his top 2 and both profile as "back end" types "for now". It's very thin.
I find this very impressive  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 12:51 pm : link
Noah Syndergaard continues to show great command of his fastball and curveball, throwing nearly all of his pitches below the hitters belt. In yesterday afternoons start, Syndergaard threw only seven of his 101 pitches above the belt with one of those pitches coming intentionally during Ryan Howards first inning at-bat in an attempt to induce a strikeout swinging. The other six were hanging curveballs, three of which came in the same at-bat against Chase Utley in the third inning. None of the pitches left up in the strike zone led to a hit.
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i'm still a fan of Fulmer  
CMicks3110 : 5/28/2015 12:56 pm : link
I know you think he's a reliever. But I watched him on MiLB.TV a few times and he's got the stuff to be a good #3 starter.Going into next year we have about 7 deep, with Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Wheeler, Montero, and one of Gee/Niese. We can probably sign a veteran to a Minor League contract and store him at AAA. But generally, I'm not too concerned, the depth is all young and 4 out of the 7 already had TJS. Not that you can't get it twice, but I believe its less likely to occur. Are we getting Hefner back next year? We have enough hitting prospects that we can probably get a decent young double AA starter that can project to be available in 2016-2017.
Ynoa  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 12:58 pm : link
has been horrendous in his time in AA over 2 seasons 19 AA starts 113.2 innings 127 hits 29 walks 68 k's, 4.87 FIP this season.
The Big 3 of that draft class  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:00 pm : link
from Oklahoma High schools Dylan Bundy, Archie Bradley and Michael Fulmer never lived up to the hype due to injuries. They are still young and could be factors, but I dont see anyone of them as a stud at this point
RE: i'm still a fan of Fulmer  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12304297 CMicks3110 said:
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I know you think he's a reliever. But I watched him on MiLB.TV a few times and he's got the stuff to be a good #3 starter.Going into next year we have about 7 deep, with Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Wheeler, Montero, and one of Gee/Niese. We can probably sign a veteran to a Minor League contract and store him at AAA. But generally, I'm not too concerned, the depth is all young and 4 out of the 7 already had TJS. Not that you can't get it twice, but I believe its less likely to occur. Are we getting Hefner back next year? We have enough hitting prospects that we can probably get a decent young double AA starter that can project to be available in 2016-2017.


2 time TJ for Hefner. History is very poor with those types and quite frankly outside of a great run of 5-6 starts he's not good. 4.14 FIP career, 4.49 his last healthy season here.
Yeah yeah...  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:09 pm : link
Ynoa has been horrendous in his first 6 weeks of 2015. This past off-season he was getting national recognition and was on "just miss" lists.

He still has a good fastball and could theoretically improve. There is zero rush whatsoever. A whole year from now its impossible Ynoa could be a 5th starter candidate?? I beg to differ. And I said one or two of Ynoa, Fulmer, Lugo, and Gsellman could emerge and ALL should be in AAA next year. I never said ALL would.
RE: i'm still a fan of Fulmer  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12304297 CMicks3110 said:
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I know you think he's a reliever. But I watched him on MiLB.TV a few times and he's got the stuff to be a good #3 starter.Going into next year we have about 7 deep, with Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Wheeler, Montero, and one of Gee/Niese. We can probably sign a veteran to a Minor League contract and store him at AAA. But generally, I'm not too concerned, the depth is all young and 4 out of the 7 already had TJS. Not that you can't get it twice, but I believe its less likely to occur. Are we getting Hefner back next year? We have enough hitting prospects that we can probably get a decent young double AA starter that can project to be available in 2016-2017.


Exactly. Its a non issue. We have zero need for more pitching outside of acquiring more trade chips and wont for quite some time.
RE: Yeah yeah...  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12304329 ZGiants98 said:
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Ynoa has been horrendous in his first 6 weeks of 2015. This past off-season he was getting national recognition and was on "just miss" lists.

He still has a good fastball and could theoretically improve. There is zero rush whatsoever. A whole year from now its impossible Ynoa could be a 5th starter candidate?? I beg to differ. And I said one or two of Ynoa, Fulmer, Lugo, and Gsellman could emerge and ALL should be in AAA next year. I never said ALL would.


Ynoa was equally bad last year in AA as well

2014 66 innings 74 hits 12 walks 42 k's

The sample size is starting to become quite significant ( 19 starts). Jeff P noted he "didn't look right" this spring, possibly hurt.
Written a whopping  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:12 pm : link
3 months ago regarding Ynoa.
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RE: Yeah yeah...  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:13 pm : link
In comment 12304329 ZGiants98 said:
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Ynoa has been horrendous in his first 6 weeks of 2015. This past off-season he was getting national recognition and was on "just miss" lists.

He still has a good fastball and could theoretically improve. There is zero rush whatsoever. A whole year from now its impossible Ynoa could be a 5th starter candidate?? I beg to differ. And I said one or two of Ynoa, Fulmer, Lugo, and Gsellman could emerge and ALL should be in AAA next year. I never said ALL would.


Who cares about pre-season "just miss" lists? Domingo Tapia was once a top 10 prospect in the system, Dominic Smith was Keith Law's #50 overall prospect in baseball at this time last year. Ynoa has been horrendous. That's a fact.
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ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:13 pm : link
In comment 12304336 DanMetroMan said:
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Ynoa has been horrendous in his first 6 weeks of 2015. This past off-season he was getting national recognition and was on "just miss" lists.

He still has a good fastball and could theoretically improve. There is zero rush whatsoever. A whole year from now its impossible Ynoa could be a 5th starter candidate?? I beg to differ. And I said one or two of Ynoa, Fulmer, Lugo, and Gsellman could emerge and ALL should be in AAA next year. I never said ALL would.



Ynoa was equally bad last year in AA as well

2014 66 innings 74 hits 12 walks 42 k's

The sample size is starting to become quite significant ( 19 starts). Jeff P noted he "didn't look right" this spring, possibly hurt.


Well that could be. I'm just saying he's been highly regarded for quite some time. Its not impossible he could still figure it out at some point. Players have also gotten better working with both Viola and Warthen at the higher levels.
That's  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:15 pm : link
cool and now he's been horrendous. The expectation was he would be BETTER in 2015 in AA, not worse. Dems the facts. I guess Paternostro who has seen him live many times is just making things up? Weird.
...  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:16 pm : link
Daniel Wexler ‏@WexlerRules May 27

@jeffpaternostro @Radickey_ebooks Have you seen him up close this year? Stuff wise not good?
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Jeffrey Paternostro ‏@jeffpaternostro May 27

@WexlerRules @Radickey_ebooks Yeah, saw him in April, everything looked down.
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Jeffrey Paternostro ‏@jeffpaternostro May 27

@WexlerRules @Radickey_ebooks If he was still just not missing bats, I would read more into it, but control was below-avg.
Look. I'm really  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:16 pm : link
not trying to start a whole Ynoa debate. I agree he's had a poor start. I just threw his name in as one of 4 players I am still monitoring in AA.
Closed with  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:16 pm : link

Jeffrey Paternostro
‏@jeffpaternostro

@WexlerRules @Radickey_ebooks I would not be shocked if Ynoa is pitching hurt as well.
RE: That's  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12304343 DanMetroMan said:
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cool and now he's been horrendous. The expectation was he would be BETTER in 2015 in AA, not worse. Dems the facts. I guess Paternostro who has seen him live many times is just making things up? Weird.


lol. Nobody's saying he's had a good start. I just dont see how you go from "sleeper" stud to non-prospect in 6 weeks but that's just me.
Yes  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:18 pm : link
but minus him (awful start) and Molina (likely TJ) that's 2 pretty big omissions from the guys you named. Bowman and Pill have been terrible as well. They will need to add more pitching both for depth and trade chips. Outside of giving up a Conforto or a Herrera they simply don't have much to trade going forward. The well is running dry.
I am not a concerned  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:19 pm : link
that we will have a bottom 5-10 system next off season. Matz will be here, hopefully Wheeler does a Harvey and is his former self. Just think how many teams would take a Zach Wheeler as their number 5? It is insane to think about and I'm just slapping the number 5 on wheeler because somebody has to be number 5. There are people who feel Wheeler's overall stuff is as good as the others. I am not going to debate Zach Wheeler, I'll leave that to others
Matt Bowman  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:20 pm : link
has been pitching batting practice in Vegas but I wouldn't be surprised to see him figure it out and have a solid second half either. I totally see him being another "Gee Type" at some point.
Assuming  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:20 pm : link
you make Matz, Herrera and Conforto "off limits". The talent pool to make a trade is extremely thin. Either guys really far away like Rosario or very limited upside like Reynolds (guys like this don't brng back much). Guess they have to hope Montero comes back well.
If Molina has Tommy John  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:21 pm : link
he has Tommy John. We'll see him next year. There is zero rush on these guys. They wont be needed for ions. He'll still absolutely be a prospect when he returns.
RE: Matt Bowman  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12304358 ZGiants98 said:
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has been pitching batting practice in Vegas but I wouldn't be surprised to see him figure it out and have a solid second half either. I totally see him being another "Gee Type" at some point.


Possible. But also possible he's not good enough. We can't go both ways with the PCL and say "Thor and Matz are dominating in the PCL!" and then say "it's okay Bowman has been AWFUL". 5.93 FIP, 4.95 K/9 is horrendous even in Coors field vs. Major leaguers let alone AAA. I'm guessing he's pitching hurt however.
The well is dry  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:23 pm : link
and I don't care. If they feel like they need help at the Big league Level, sign a Free Agent or trade what's left in the system if they can. If you are into following the Minors, the Mets ride is over, Que Sera
Well  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:23 pm : link
I think Nimmo, Smith, Cechinni, Plawecki all will still have varying degrees of value.
Wheeler  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 1:23 pm : link
really f-d things up.

He's the one it made sense to trade.

Keep Harvey, Thor, deGRom, Matz, and Montero, plug in if you have to a Niese, Gee, cheaper Colon, but Wheeler is the guy they should have been able to trade.

f-ing injuries.
RE: RE: Matt Bowman  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:25 pm : link
In comment 12304366 DanMetroMan said:
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has been pitching batting practice in Vegas but I wouldn't be surprised to see him figure it out and have a solid second half either. I totally see him being another "Gee Type" at some point.



Possible. But also possible he's not good enough. We can't go both ways with the PCL and say "Thor and Matz are dominating in the PCL!" and then say "it's okay Bowman has been AWFUL". 5.93 FIP, 4.95 K/9 is horrendous even in Coors field vs. Major leaguers let alone AAA. I'm guessing he's pitching hurt however.


Why cant we? It just means Syndergaard and Matz are THAT good. Every pitcher should be excused somewhat in the PCL. But I dont even think that's the issue with Bowman. He needs to adjust to a higher level and will eventually in my opinion. Nobody is comparing Bowman to Thor/Matz lol.
Wheeler a whipping boy, I just shake my head, it has to be someone  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:27 pm : link
This summer has been a platform for Wheelers emergence. Over his last 16 starts he has posted a 2.99 ERA, and is eighth in the National League in strikeout rate in the second half of the season.

The former first-round pick and top-notch prospect is now living up to expectations. With each performance in his second season in the majors, Wheeler is providing evidence that he is an ace in bloom.
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I'm actually  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:28 pm : link
betting the Mets still have a top 10 system next year.
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