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NFT: Mets Minors 5/28/2015

DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 9:36 am
AAA-
Rivera 0-3, BB
Tovar 0-3, BB
Pill 4 innings 12 hits 7 runs 1 walk 2 k's

AA
Cecchini 0-3, 2 BB
King 0-5, 2 K
Boyd 0-2, 2 BB
Gee 6.1 innings 5 hits 3 runs 2 earned 2 walks 4 k's
Koch 1.2 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Sewald 1 perfect


A+
McNeil 1-4,SB,K (should be promoted)
TDA 0-3
Conforto 1-4
Smith 2-3, 2b
Rosario 0-3
Stuart 1-3, K
L. Taylor 6 inninga 5 hits 4 runs 4 walks 2 k's
Regnault 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's
Coles 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 3 k's


A
Meisner 7 innings 4 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's (intriguing arm, project)
Guillorme 1-5
Garcia 1-4, 2 k
Becerra 1-4, 2b, K

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I personally  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:29 pm : link
cant wait to make Wheeler our number 5 and trade Niese June 1st, 2016.
I wonder what I am watching  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:30 pm : link
with my eyes? Zach Wheeler is a stud and IF he comes back to his old self I am not trading him. Let baseball deal with Harvey Thor Matz deGrom Wheeler while I eat popcorn
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 1:33 pm : link
be absolutely STUNNED if the Mets have a top 10 system next year. Gentleman's bet? Law and BA both do organizational rankings, either/or?

Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.

One of the few things I like about Terry Collins  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:33 pm : link
he mentions Wheeler in his post game pressers.
RE: I wonder what I am watching  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:34 pm : link
In comment 12304392 Headhunter said:
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with my eyes? Zach Wheeler is a stud and IF he comes back to his old self I am not trading him. Let baseball deal with Harvey Thor Matz deGrom Wheeler while I eat popcorn


He's still projectable too. No way he's a finished product. You could see him flashing towards the end of 2014. There was a complete game shutout(Marlins?) where he legit looked like Harvey. And we are asking this kid to be our "5".

Hang on to Montero too and make him our permanent 6. Good times.
RE: I'd  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12304404 DanMetroMan said:
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be absolutely STUNNED if the Mets have a top 10 system next year. Gentleman's bet? Law and BA both do organizational rankings, either/or?

Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.


Eh. I'm not guaranteeing it but yeah I still think we'll be pretty high. It depends. We really don't know yet who's graduating and who's not. Why don't you say where you think they'll be and we'll see who's closer.
Met fans cant handle prosperity  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:37 pm : link
we are not used to it, our solution? break it up and go back to waiting for savior's that are 3-4 years away.
Our top 10 next year  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:39 pm : link
is still likely to include Conforto, Nimmo, Cechinni, Rosario, Smith, Molina, Plawecki... possible Herrera, Reynolds, and Matz(Matz doubtful)
RE: Met fans cant handle prosperity  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12304421 Headhunter said:
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we are not used to it, our solution? break it up and go back to waiting for savior's that are 3-4 years away.


I know... the team is jacked with talent for the rest of the decade. Who cares about this anyway?
If Matz is not here by July 1  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:40 pm : link
I'll be a monkey's uncle
He should be  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:47 pm : link
But there could be roster issues, injuries, we don't know for sure yet.
He keeps throwing games  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 1:50 pm : link
like 4 out of the last 5 in Las Vegas, you tell me how they keep him there. You want your players to make you make the call, he's doing exactly that
You also have to figure in  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:50 pm : link
This year's draft, possible IFA, and even trade pieces we might acquire. At this point I'm trading Colon, Gee, ect for prospects, not spare parts if we can.
RE: He keeps throwing games  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12304464 Headhunter said:
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like 4 out of the last 5 in Las Vegas, you tell me how they keep him there. You want your players to make you make the call, he's doing exactly that


Hey, if I had my way he would be here today. Talk about a pitcher wasting bullets....
RE: Wheeler a whipping boy, I just shake my head, it has to be someone  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12304381 Headhunter said:
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This summer has been a platform for Wheeler’s emergence. Over his last 16 starts he has posted a 2.99 ERA, and is eighth in the National League in strikeout rate in the second half of the season.

The former first-round pick and top-notch prospect is now living up to expectations. With each performance in his second season in the majors, Wheeler is providing evidence that he is an ace in bloom. Link - ( New Window )


Whipping boy? WTF are you reading? He's valuable. You have to trade value to get value.

even the SF Giants teams loaded with pitching had a couple hitters, the Mets lineup is barren if you're waiting for Grandy to get hot or Wright to come back and be his old self you'll be waiting for the next generation of Harvey, Wheeler, DeGrom, Thor, Matz before seeing a title.

There is no whipping boy here unless you feel a need to play victim and then go right ahead, I suggested Wheeler would have been perfect to trade because a) I don't think he's as good as Harvey or Thor, b) he likely has more value than deGrom due to age and pedigree and c) Matz is lefty.

but whatever. keep them all and eat your popcorn while the Mets are slightly above .500
No offense PJ  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 2:01 pm : link
But the Mets are 7 games over .500 without two massive bats in their lineup and their hitters only just starting to heat up. We are loaded in position prospects that should only further bolster the roster in upcoming years.

And Matz and Wheeler aren't in the current rotation either. The rotation should go from fantastic now to positively bananas in 2016.
RE: No offense PJ  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 2:07 pm : link
In comment 12304496 ZGiants98 said:
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But the Mets are 7 games over .500 without two massive bats in their lineup and their hitters only just starting to heat up. We are loaded in position prospects that should only further bolster the roster in upcoming years.

And Matz and Wheeler aren't in the current rotation either. The rotation should go from fantastic now to positively bananas in 2016.


Ok.

I do not think the Mets are championship contenders with this team. My point was the could have been or could have been closer if they had dealt a healthy Wheeler for a stud OFer.

you disagree, fine, but we will never know, since of course Wheeler had TJ and when and if he returns is a question mark and his trade value is nearly 100% diminished.

those "loaded position prospects" which I'm not so sure about, are not helping in 2015 and I think the Mets could be a contender in 2015 with some lineup adjustments.

pj  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 2:08 pm : link
Why not keep him? Just because they have been rolling 7's & 11's they are 1 or 2 injuries away from being a middle of the road staff. I want to keep all my hard earned toys
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 2:12 pm : link
In comment 12304517 Headhunter said:
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Why not keep him? Just because they have been rolling 7's & 11's they are 1 or 2 injuries away from being a middle of the road staff. I want to keep all my hard earned toys


If the Mets had a Kris Bryant or Mike Trout or Giancarlo Stanton in the minors I'd agree, but Nimmo certainly doesn't project that way, and Conforto might but he's in A ball, you have to have someone in the lineup that strikes fear in the opponent.

the Mets have Duda who is insanely hot right now, but will cool off and no one else like that.

So my point is the same way the Mets got Wheeler, they could have dished him for that same asset (though not Beltran - a much younger Beltran).

you are seeing it right now, the Mets are playing this entire season without Wheeler, have Matz in the wings, and COULD have been doing this with a young Mookie Betts (or someone like that) also on the team.

That was my point, and it's moot.
Steven Matz  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 2:14 pm : link
In 10 Triple-A outings this season, Matz has an ERA of 1.99 and a WHIP of 1.04, with 68 strikeouts in 63.1 innings. Considering the fact that the Pacific Coast League is a notoriously hitter-friendly league, his home ball park in Las Vegas is even more skewed toward hitters and the fact that these are the first 10 appearances Matz has made in Triple-A after just half a season at double-A, what he has accomplished this season is nothing short of amazing. It also makes it clear that Matz is ready to be promoted to the big leagues at any time the Mets see fit.
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RE: RE: No offense PJ  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12304512 pjcas18 said:
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But the Mets are 7 games over .500 without two massive bats in their lineup and their hitters only just starting to heat up. We are loaded in position prospects that should only further bolster the roster in upcoming years.

And Matz and Wheeler aren't in the current rotation either. The rotation should go from fantastic now to positively bananas in 2016.



Ok.

I do not think the Mets are championship contenders with this team. My point was the could have been or could have been closer if they had dealt a healthy Wheeler for a stud OFer.

you disagree, fine, but we will never know, since of course Wheeler had TJ and when and if he returns is a question mark and his trade value is nearly 100% diminished.

those "loaded position prospects" which I'm not so sure about, are not helping in 2015 and I think the Mets could be a contender in 2015 with some lineup adjustments.


I think the Mets are a contender now. Especially if they get TDA and Wright back healthy. Maybe not in the Cardinals, Nats, and Dodgers class but certainly in the wild card Giants/Cubs class. Duda is easily one of the best hitters in baseball at this point. If Wright doesn't come back than yes we need to do something... But I think we will. The best is yet to come.... Even this year. And if we get in with the wild card... Nobody is wanting to face Harvey, Thor, Matz, deGrom in the playoffs. Nobody. We just have to get there.
pj  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 2:15 pm : link
we all want the same ending to the movie, our plot lines may differ on getting there, but it is all good
And it's not like Wheeler  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 2:17 pm : link
Was ever bringing back Bryant. Come on... They would have asked for our entire system.
We throw out these mega prospect mega trades  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 2:19 pm : link
when was the last one that was pulled off?
Also...  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 2:22 pm : link
People tend to think the team capable of winning the most regular season games is the most likely to win the WS and that often isn't the case. Look at the Dodgers, ect.. Power pitching is what wins in the playoffs in a short series. We've seen it over and over again.
Look at he Phillies  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 2:24 pm : link
They threw out Halladay, Hamels & Lee, and that was that
Mets expected to pursue Cuban SS Alfredo Rodriguez  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 2:52 pm : link
Rey-Rey II ?
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RE: And it's not like Wheeler  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 2:58 pm : link
In comment 12304559 ZGiants98 said:
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Was ever bringing back Bryant. Come on... They would have asked for our entire system.


I was saying if the Mets had a Bryant like player in the minors then I wouldn't trade anyone, I'd sit back and eat popcorn like HH.

I think this team is a young hitter away. And Wheeler could have returned that young hitter. Not Bryant. But I could see a Wheeler + package for Betts or Rusney Castillo or someone like that (and to be clear - Betts has been pretty medicore to bad, but I think he'll be great).

And I would count on zero from Wright this year.

Lastly, I completely agree HH, just a few years ago amid the dread and bleakness I picked 2015 as the year I had expectations to be a contender not just hopes, but expectations. And I hope they are.

just planning for the worst.

That would be exciting  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 2:59 pm : link
Sandy has publicly said they would be more active this year in IFA to make up for the lost draft pick. We'll see.
RE: Look at he Phillies  
spike : 5/28/2015 3:00 pm : link
In comment 12304592 Headhunter said:
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They threw out Halladay, Hamels & Lee, and that was that


you forgot Roy Oswalt. What a rotation, on paper, until injuries got them
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RE: Mets expected to pursue Cuban SS Alfredo Rodriguez  
spike : 5/28/2015 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12304701 Headhunter said:
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Rey-Rey II ? Link - ( New Window )


they should find the next big Cuban slugger, hopefully he plays the OF or 3B
RE: Look at he Phillies  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12304592 Headhunter said:
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They threw out Halladay, Hamels & Lee, and that was that


Great point HH, the Phillies team with Halladay, Hamels and Lee (also had Oswalt) and LOST in the NLDS, not even the NLCS or WS.

and they had a lineup with Howard, Utley (injured, but played 100 games), Ibanez, Rollins, Victorino, Pence, Ruiz all closer to their primes

the Mets can't touch the lineup.



RE: RE: And it's not like Wheeler  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12304714 pjcas18 said:
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Was ever bringing back Bryant. Come on... They would have asked for our entire system.



I was saying if the Mets had a Bryant like player in the minors then I wouldn't trade anyone, I'd sit back and eat popcorn like HH.

I think this team is a young hitter away. And Wheeler could have returned that young hitter. Not Bryant. But I could see a Wheeler + package for Betts or Rusney Castillo or someone like that (and to be clear - Betts has been pretty medicore to bad, but I think he'll be great).

And I would count on zero from Wright this year.

Lastly, I completely agree HH, just a few years ago amid the dread and bleakness I picked 2015 as the year I had expectations to be a contender not just hopes, but expectations. And I hope they are.

just planning for the worst.


That's cool. I just think we are reasonably set up at every position. We dont have Trout, Stanton, Bryant like you said(who does?) but we have talent at the exact positions we likely will need an infusion over the next couple of seasons(2B, LF, RF, SS). I think people are underestimating how good our rotation can be. This might be a generational type rotation similar to what the Braves had in the 90s. I also think you are underselling the lineup. Duda is the bat we've been dreaming on. We got him. Flores, Duda, TDA, and Murphy are all solid players and in Flores and TDA's case should only get better. Granderson and Cuddyer are solid. We'll see about Wright but if he does come back the lineup is essentially fine. That lineup looks a hell of a lot better than what the Giants were throwing out there when they were dousing themselves in champagne for WS 1.
no one can beat  
spike : 5/28/2015 3:09 pm : link
the Cardinals. Not even the big four and the HOF Phillies in their prime
RE: RE: Look at he Phillies  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 3:10 pm : link
In comment 12304743 pjcas18 said:
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They threw out Halladay, Hamels & Lee, and that was that



Great point HH, the Phillies team with Halladay, Hamels and Lee (also had Oswalt) and LOST in the NLDS, not even the NLCS or WS.

and they had a lineup with Howard, Utley (injured, but played 100 games), Ibanez, Rollins, Victorino, Pence, Ruiz all closer to their primes

the Mets can't touch the lineup.




The Giants are a much better example of a team that has won with stellar, dominant pitching and mediocre lineups and they've done it three times over(I know their lineups were better of late)
HH just gave you an example of maybe the best rotation  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 3:12 pm : link
in recent history.

Halladay, Hamels, Clif Lee, Roy Oswalt, Joe Blanton

and they didn't make it out of the first round of the playoffs.

and the Phillies lineup isn't close to the Mets it was twice as good.

I'm just saying the Mets need a hitter and I don't think waiting on internal options is going to cut it.

You want to go into the Playoffs  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 3:16 pm : link
able to throw out 3 top line starters and use your 4th starter in the pen. As far as lineups go, I'm going to date myself but Koufax Drysdale Osteen had Willie Davis as their best hitter and Maury Wills to cause havoc and that was it and they won. Great pitching stops great hitting and its been proven time after time
some pitchers have such short careers  
spike : 5/28/2015 3:20 pm : link
just look at the former Braves prospect Tommy Hansen, who is just about out of baseball, now signed a minor league contract with SF Giants
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You get to that 1 game  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 3:26 pm : link
Wild card playoff, I'd take my chances with Matt Harvey
RE: You want to go into the Playoffs  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12304773 Headhunter said:
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able to throw out 3 top line starters and use your 4th starter in the pen. As far as lineups go, I'm going to date myself but Koufax Drysdale Osteen had Willie Davis as their best hitter and Maury Wills to cause havoc and that was it and they won. Great pitching stops great hitting and its been proven time after time


I do agree with this, but I believe there is a minimal level of offense you need and I'm not sure the Mets are there, but usually you play great D, and other than Lagares not sure of anyone on the Mets I'd say plays great D.
RE: HH just gave you an example of maybe the best rotation  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 3:31 pm : link
In comment 12304762 pjcas18 said:
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in recent history.

Halladay, Hamels, Clif Lee, Roy Oswalt, Joe Blanton

and they didn't make it out of the first round of the playoffs.

and the Phillies lineup isn't close to the Mets it was twice as good.

I'm just saying the Mets need a hitter and I don't think waiting on internal options is going to cut it.


Kind of a strange example considering they DID win a WS with essentially that group. Not everything is going to go perfect every year. That rotation was old as time too except for Hamels. It's not like those 4 were all in their young 20s like we are about to have. I'm pretty sure Utley was injured that year too although I'm too lazy to look it up.
That is where my argument fails  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 3:31 pm : link
we would need great Defense with this Offense and it is mediocre at best
There  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 3:35 pm : link
Isn't a single position we are weak at defensively right now except RF and that's only because of Granderson's arm. Murphy and Cuddyer are completely exceeding expectations.
RE: RE: HH just gave you an example of maybe the best rotation  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12304808 ZGiants98 said:
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in recent history.

Halladay, Hamels, Clif Lee, Roy Oswalt, Joe Blanton

and they didn't make it out of the first round of the playoffs.

and the Phillies lineup isn't close to the Mets it was twice as good.

I'm just saying the Mets need a hitter and I don't think waiting on internal options is going to cut it.




Kind of a strange example considering they DID win a WS with essentially that group. Not everything is going to go perfect every year. That rotation was old as time too except for Hamels. It's not like those 4 were all in their young 20s like we are about to have. I'm pretty sure Utley was injured that year too although I'm too lazy to look it up.



Essentially that same group? Neither Halladay or Lee or Oswalt were on the WS team.

no clue what you're talking about.

But the lineup did have Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Jason Werth, Shane Victorino, Pat Burrell, Jimmy Rollins, Carlos Ruiz, etc..
the Phillies lineup though
RE: RE: I'd  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 3:39 pm : link
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be absolutely STUNNED if the Mets have a top 10 system next year. Gentleman's bet? Law and BA both do organizational rankings, either/or?

Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.




Eh. I'm not guaranteeing it but yeah I still think we'll be pretty high. It depends. We really don't know yet who's graduating and who's not. Why don't you say where you think they'll be and we'll see who's closer.


I say the Mets system ranks in the 16+ range next system, you say top 10. Again, no animosity here, gentleman's bet. But who are we using? Keith Law + BA average? or what? I think BP does this too, we can add theirs as well if you prefer?
RE: There  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 3:40 pm : link
In comment 12304822 ZGiants98 said:
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Isn't a single position we are weak at defensively right now except RF and that's only because of Granderson's arm. Murphy and Cuddyer are completely exceeding expectations.


Granderson and Cuddyer are in the 15 worst defensive outfielders in the NL (bottom 3rd of all defensive OFers). Flores has a negative grade, Duda is negative. all according to Fangraphs.

Who is positive? Lagares like I said, and Murphy, barely. Didn't check, but pretty sure neither catcher is a defensive stalwart, 3b is incomplete.

there is rose colored glasses which I can appreciate and then there's delusion.
Really  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 3:41 pm : link
wish we only had one more year of Granderson. He's been fine offensively but terrible in the field and at that price/position he's overpaid by a long shot.
If Bowden says he's a future Met  
Shecky : 5/28/2015 3:43 pm : link
Count on them not signing him...
pj  
Headhunter : 5/28/2015 3:46 pm : link
you might want to check that negative grade from Fangraphs on Flores. As of yesterday he was + 3.0 and since he didnt play today, id bet he still has a +3.0 rating defensively
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ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 3:47 pm : link
In comment 12304834 DanMetroMan said:
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be absolutely STUNNED if the Mets have a top 10 system next year. Gentleman's bet? Law and BA both do organizational rankings, either/or?

Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.




Eh. I'm not guaranteeing it but yeah I still think we'll be pretty high. It depends. We really don't know yet who's graduating and who's not. Why don't you say where you think they'll be and we'll see who's closer.



I say the Mets system ranks in the 16+ range next system, you say top 10. Again, no animosity here, gentleman's bet. But who are we using? Keith Law + BA average? or what? I think BP does this too, we can add theirs as well if you prefer?


See that's my point. The way you were acting it seemed like we were a complete barrin wasteland after all the graduations(25-30) 16 wouldn't be that bad considering the talent at the ML level. That's fine. You say 16. I say 10. We'll see who's closer. We can compare BA and Law. No animosity at all.
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