AAA-
Rivera 0-3, BB
Tovar 0-3, BB
Pill 4 innings 12 hits 7 runs 1 walk 2 k's
AA
Cecchini 0-3, 2 BB
King 0-5, 2 K
Boyd 0-2, 2 BB
Gee 6.1 innings 5 hits 3 runs 2 earned 2 walks 4 k's
Koch 1.2 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Sewald 1 perfect
A+
McNeil 1-4,SB,K (should be promoted)
TDA 0-3
Conforto 1-4
Smith 2-3, 2b
Rosario 0-3
Stuart 1-3, K
L. Taylor 6 inninga 5 hits 4 runs 4 walks 2 k's
Regnault 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's
Coles 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 3 k's
A
Meisner 7 innings 4 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's (intriguing arm, project)
Guillorme 1-5
Garcia 1-4, 2 k
Becerra 1-4, 2b, K
Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.
He's still projectable too. No way he's a finished product. You could see him flashing towards the end of 2014. There was a complete game shutout(Marlins?) where he legit looked like Harvey. And we are asking this kid to be our "5".
Hang on to Montero too and make him our permanent 6. Good times.
Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.
Eh. I'm not guaranteeing it but yeah I still think we'll be pretty high. It depends. We really don't know yet who's graduating and who's not. Why don't you say where you think they'll be and we'll see who's closer.
I know... the team is jacked with talent for the rest of the decade. Who cares about this anyway?
Hey, if I had my way he would be here today. Talk about a pitcher wasting bullets....
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Whipping boy? WTF are you reading? He's valuable. You have to trade value to get value.
even the SF Giants teams loaded with pitching had a couple hitters, the Mets lineup is barren if you're waiting for Grandy to get hot or Wright to come back and be his old self you'll be waiting for the next generation of Harvey, Wheeler, DeGrom, Thor, Matz before seeing a title.
There is no whipping boy here unless you feel a need to play victim and then go right ahead, I suggested Wheeler would have been perfect to trade because a) I don't think he's as good as Harvey or Thor, b) he likely has more value than deGrom due to age and pedigree and c) Matz is lefty.
but whatever. keep them all and eat your popcorn while the Mets are slightly above .500
And Matz and Wheeler aren't in the current rotation either. The rotation should go from fantastic now to positively bananas in 2016.
And Matz and Wheeler aren't in the current rotation either. The rotation should go from fantastic now to positively bananas in 2016.
Ok.
I do not think the Mets are championship contenders with this team. My point was the could have been or could have been closer if they had dealt a healthy Wheeler for a stud OFer.
you disagree, fine, but we will never know, since of course Wheeler had TJ and when and if he returns is a question mark and his trade value is nearly 100% diminished.
those "loaded position prospects" which I'm not so sure about, are not helping in 2015 and I think the Mets could be a contender in 2015 with some lineup adjustments.
If the Mets had a Kris Bryant or Mike Trout or Giancarlo Stanton in the minors I'd agree, but Nimmo certainly doesn't project that way, and Conforto might but he's in A ball, you have to have someone in the lineup that strikes fear in the opponent.
the Mets have Duda who is insanely hot right now, but will cool off and no one else like that.
So my point is the same way the Mets got Wheeler, they could have dished him for that same asset (though not Beltran - a much younger Beltran).
you are seeing it right now, the Mets are playing this entire season without Wheeler, have Matz in the wings, and COULD have been doing this with a young Mookie Betts (or someone like that) also on the team.
That was my point, and it's moot.
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But the Mets are 7 games over .500 without two massive bats in their lineup and their hitters only just starting to heat up. We are loaded in position prospects that should only further bolster the roster in upcoming years.
And Matz and Wheeler aren't in the current rotation either. The rotation should go from fantastic now to positively bananas in 2016.
Ok.
I do not think the Mets are championship contenders with this team. My point was the could have been or could have been closer if they had dealt a healthy Wheeler for a stud OFer.
you disagree, fine, but we will never know, since of course Wheeler had TJ and when and if he returns is a question mark and his trade value is nearly 100% diminished.
those "loaded position prospects" which I'm not so sure about, are not helping in 2015 and I think the Mets could be a contender in 2015 with some lineup adjustments.
I think the Mets are a contender now. Especially if they get TDA and Wright back healthy. Maybe not in the Cardinals, Nats, and Dodgers class but certainly in the wild card Giants/Cubs class. Duda is easily one of the best hitters in baseball at this point. If Wright doesn't come back than yes we need to do something... But I think we will. The best is yet to come.... Even this year. And if we get in with the wild card... Nobody is wanting to face Harvey, Thor, Matz, deGrom in the playoffs. Nobody. We just have to get there.
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I was saying if the Mets had a Bryant like player in the minors then I wouldn't trade anyone, I'd sit back and eat popcorn like HH.
I think this team is a young hitter away. And Wheeler could have returned that young hitter. Not Bryant. But I could see a Wheeler + package for Betts or Rusney Castillo or someone like that (and to be clear - Betts has been pretty medicore to bad, but I think he'll be great).
And I would count on zero from Wright this year.
Lastly, I completely agree HH, just a few years ago amid the dread and bleakness I picked 2015 as the year I had expectations to be a contender not just hopes, but expectations. And I hope they are.
just planning for the worst.
you forgot Roy Oswalt. What a rotation, on paper, until injuries got them
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they should find the next big Cuban slugger, hopefully he plays the OF or 3B
Great point HH, the Phillies team with Halladay, Hamels and Lee (also had Oswalt) and LOST in the NLDS, not even the NLCS or WS.
and they had a lineup with Howard, Utley (injured, but played 100 games), Ibanez, Rollins, Victorino, Pence, Ruiz all closer to their primes
the Mets can't touch the lineup.
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Was ever bringing back Bryant. Come on... They would have asked for our entire system.
I was saying if the Mets had a Bryant like player in the minors then I wouldn't trade anyone, I'd sit back and eat popcorn like HH.
I think this team is a young hitter away. And Wheeler could have returned that young hitter. Not Bryant. But I could see a Wheeler + package for Betts or Rusney Castillo or someone like that (and to be clear - Betts has been pretty medicore to bad, but I think he'll be great).
And I would count on zero from Wright this year.
Lastly, I completely agree HH, just a few years ago amid the dread and bleakness I picked 2015 as the year I had expectations to be a contender not just hopes, but expectations. And I hope they are.
just planning for the worst.
That's cool. I just think we are reasonably set up at every position. We dont have Trout, Stanton, Bryant like you said(who does?) but we have talent at the exact positions we likely will need an infusion over the next couple of seasons(2B, LF, RF, SS). I think people are underestimating how good our rotation can be. This might be a generational type rotation similar to what the Braves had in the 90s. I also think you are underselling the lineup. Duda is the bat we've been dreaming on. We got him. Flores, Duda, TDA, and Murphy are all solid players and in Flores and TDA's case should only get better. Granderson and Cuddyer are solid. We'll see about Wright but if he does come back the lineup is essentially fine. That lineup looks a hell of a lot better than what the Giants were throwing out there when they were dousing themselves in champagne for WS 1.
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They threw out Halladay, Hamels & Lee, and that was that
Great point HH, the Phillies team with Halladay, Hamels and Lee (also had Oswalt) and LOST in the NLDS, not even the NLCS or WS.
and they had a lineup with Howard, Utley (injured, but played 100 games), Ibanez, Rollins, Victorino, Pence, Ruiz all closer to their primes
the Mets can't touch the lineup.
The Giants are a much better example of a team that has won with stellar, dominant pitching and mediocre lineups and they've done it three times over(I know their lineups were better of late)
Halladay, Hamels, Clif Lee, Roy Oswalt, Joe Blanton
and they didn't make it out of the first round of the playoffs.
and the Phillies lineup isn't close to the Mets it was twice as good.
I'm just saying the Mets need a hitter and I don't think waiting on internal options is going to cut it.
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I do agree with this, but I believe there is a minimal level of offense you need and I'm not sure the Mets are there, but usually you play great D, and other than Lagares not sure of anyone on the Mets I'd say plays great D.
Halladay, Hamels, Clif Lee, Roy Oswalt, Joe Blanton
and they didn't make it out of the first round of the playoffs.
and the Phillies lineup isn't close to the Mets it was twice as good.
I'm just saying the Mets need a hitter and I don't think waiting on internal options is going to cut it.
Kind of a strange example considering they DID win a WS with essentially that group. Not everything is going to go perfect every year. That rotation was old as time too except for Hamels. It's not like those 4 were all in their young 20s like we are about to have. I'm pretty sure Utley was injured that year too although I'm too lazy to look it up.
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Halladay, Hamels, Clif Lee, Roy Oswalt, Joe Blanton
and they didn't make it out of the first round of the playoffs.
and the Phillies lineup isn't close to the Mets it was twice as good.
I'm just saying the Mets need a hitter and I don't think waiting on internal options is going to cut it.
Kind of a strange example considering they DID win a WS with essentially that group. Not everything is going to go perfect every year. That rotation was old as time too except for Hamels. It's not like those 4 were all in their young 20s like we are about to have. I'm pretty sure Utley was injured that year too although I'm too lazy to look it up.
Essentially that same group? Neither Halladay or Lee or Oswalt were on the WS team.
no clue what you're talking about.
But the lineup did have Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Jason Werth, Shane Victorino, Pat Burrell, Jimmy Rollins, Carlos Ruiz, etc..
the Phillies lineup though
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be absolutely STUNNED if the Mets have a top 10 system next year. Gentleman's bet? Law and BA both do organizational rankings, either/or?
Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.
Eh. I'm not guaranteeing it but yeah I still think we'll be pretty high. It depends. We really don't know yet who's graduating and who's not. Why don't you say where you think they'll be and we'll see who's closer.
I say the Mets system ranks in the 16+ range next system, you say top 10. Again, no animosity here, gentleman's bet. But who are we using? Keith Law + BA average? or what? I think BP does this too, we can add theirs as well if you prefer?
Granderson and Cuddyer are in the 15 worst defensive outfielders in the NL (bottom 3rd of all defensive OFers). Flores has a negative grade, Duda is negative. all according to Fangraphs.
Who is positive? Lagares like I said, and Murphy, barely. Didn't check, but pretty sure neither catcher is a defensive stalwart, 3b is incomplete.
there is rose colored glasses which I can appreciate and then there's delusion.
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be absolutely STUNNED if the Mets have a top 10 system next year. Gentleman's bet? Law and BA both do organizational rankings, either/or?
Thor won't be eligible, Matz won't be eligible, Montero won't be eligible, Herrera likely won't be, Plawecki could go either way. Almost no chance.
Eh. I'm not guaranteeing it but yeah I still think we'll be pretty high. It depends. We really don't know yet who's graduating and who's not. Why don't you say where you think they'll be and we'll see who's closer.
I say the Mets system ranks in the 16+ range next system, you say top 10. Again, no animosity here, gentleman's bet. But who are we using? Keith Law + BA average? or what? I think BP does this too, we can add theirs as well if you prefer?
See that's my point. The way you were acting it seemed like we were a complete barrin wasteland after all the graduations(25-30) 16 wouldn't be that bad considering the talent at the ML level. That's fine. You say 16. I say 10. We'll see who's closer. We can compare BA and Law. No animosity at all.