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NFT: Mets Minors 5/28/2015

DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 9:36 am
AAA-
Rivera 0-3, BB
Tovar 0-3, BB
Pill 4 innings 12 hits 7 runs 1 walk 2 k's

AA
Cecchini 0-3, 2 BB
King 0-5, 2 K
Boyd 0-2, 2 BB
Gee 6.1 innings 5 hits 3 runs 2 earned 2 walks 4 k's
Koch 1.2 innings 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Sewald 1 perfect


A+
McNeil 1-4,SB,K (should be promoted)
TDA 0-3
Conforto 1-4
Smith 2-3, 2b
Rosario 0-3
Stuart 1-3, K
L. Taylor 6 inninga 5 hits 4 runs 4 walks 2 k's
Regnault 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's
Coles 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 3 k's


A
Meisner 7 innings 4 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's (intriguing arm, project)
Guillorme 1-5
Garcia 1-4, 2 k
Becerra 1-4, 2b, K

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The hilarious thing  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 8:07 pm : link
about all this is I was simply pointing out that just about everyone has been average or better. I wasn't trying to say individual players have been awesome. It wasn't until I really dove into Duda's numbers that I realized how good he actually is performing. Much better than I even originally thought.

You don't get that almost all first baseman in all of baseball will always have a negative grade, I don't know what to tell you.
that was never my point  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 8:11 pm : link
my point was and still is the Mets are NOT the kind of team built to win a title with pitching and defense.

I think they need a bat. My point was to do that you need a little bit stronger defense and a little bit better offense.

It doesn't mean I feel their defense is awful as a team, it's not, or great as a team, it's not.

But I don't think it's good enough for them to win a WS on pitching and defense.
You don't think I know all that? lol  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 8:15 pm : link
Im the one that's been making an argument out of that all day. lol. Ok. Whatever. You're just never going to get the first base thing...

Even if you want to stick to what your saying he's just below average then. I said just about everyone has been about average or better from the beginning.

There is zero case you can make that even with his slightly negative rating he has been BAD. Zero.
RE: RE: There  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 8:17 pm : link
In comment 12304835 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12304822 ZGiants98 said:


Quote:


Isn't a single position we are weak at defensively right now except RF and that's only because of Granderson's arm. Murphy and Cuddyer are completely exceeding expectations.



Granderson and Cuddyer are in the 15 worst defensive outfielders in the NL (bottom 3rd of all defensive OFers). Flores has a negative grade, Duda is negative. all according to Fangraphs.

Who is positive? Lagares like I said, and Murphy, barely. Didn't check, but pretty sure neither catcher is a defensive stalwart, 3b is incomplete.

there is rose colored glasses which I can appreciate and then there's delusion.


This is the post I took offense to and where this all started. There is a ton of wrong in there and I was simply pointing it out.
I was never trying to make a point  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 8:18 pm : link
that we have 8 gold glovers, but simply that many of the players we were expecting to be BAD, haven't been. Most have been average to flat out good actually.
Whatever  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2015 8:22 pm : link
at the end of the day we want the same thing for our team even if we have different ideas about where they are right now and how they'll get there, we killed some time arguing about nothing on a day the Mets have a day off.

RE: Whatever  
ZGiants98 : 5/28/2015 8:37 pm : link
In comment 12305216 pjcas18 said:
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at the end of the day we want the same thing for our team even if we have different ideas about where they are right now and how they'll get there, we killed some time arguing about nothing on a day the Mets have a day off.


Lol. Ok. Im sorry man. You're right.
Sometimes we focus on one attribute for a position player-  
Ira : 5/29/2015 6:23 am : link
defense, hitting for average, power, obp. We need to look at all of those things to see what a player brings to the team. Assuming Lagares hits more like last season, I think he, Duda and d'Arnaud are the position players we build the team around.
Flores is a piece  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 7:30 am : link
going forward. Will it be at SS? I don't know, but he is a big part of it going forward
Tueffel  
Shecky : 5/29/2015 7:56 am : link
Thank him for guys not being negative rated fielders, even though they are poor defensively.
Fangraphs  
Metnut : 5/29/2015 9:22 am : link
ranks us 9th overall in team defense. Honestly, I had to see it to believe it as our defense has looked terrible to me via the eye test. I still think it's a product of short sample size/luck and that it's going to go down as the year goes on, but kudos to the players and coaching staff for this.
RE: Tueffel  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2015 9:23 am : link
In comment 12305432 Shecky said:
Quote:
Thank him for guys not being negative rated fielders, even though they are poor defensively.


If that's who it is he may be their coach of the year because it's astounding to me how good their advanced numbers are compared to the rest of the league. Lagares is the only true + defender in the lineup right now and yet across the board they are at worst average.
Yes.  
ZGiants98 : 5/29/2015 11:14 am : link
Pretty much what Ive been saying for a lack of a better words.

Also without one of our best gloves(Wright). Our third base defense has been abysmal (Cambell).
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