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nygiants16 : 5/28/2015 11:21 am
Apparently they were work out partners and he wants to play for him...

Sounds like Milsap is almost a lock to stay with the Hawks...

Carroll would be a nice add, can play SG or SF, can knock down the open 3 and is a very good defender on the wing...


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I'd pay a roll player the midlevel  
Deej : 5/28/2015 1:55 pm : link
if he was young. But I really dont want to spend much more than min. money one guys who, at best, will be your 5-8th best player. That's something you do once your core is in place.
RE: i am calculating it wrong  
EricNY33 : 5/28/2015 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12304446 nygiants16 said:
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Mid Level will be around 7 million....

So i am over exaggerating a little bit on the amount...


Yeah... that sounds more like it.

No way a MLE is gonna be worth close to what a mini-max is worth now.
RE: I'd pay a roll player the midlevel  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12304480 Deej said:
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if he was young. But I really dont want to spend much more than min. money one guys who, at best, will be your 5-8th best player. That's something you do once your core is in place.


So who are you expecting this year???

is it Aldridge or Gasol or bust for you??

What do you think guys like Danny Green, Wesley matthews, Aaron Affalo, Tobias Harris..what do you think these guys are getting??

Shit Draymond Green is going to be maxed out and he is a role player on a very good Warriors team...

a guy like Milsap will probably get around 12-14 million per year and he is 31...

a guy liek RObin Lopez will probably get close to 10 million

Kostas Koufos is going to get close to 10 million and he was a back up center last year...

I dont know what some people are expecting during free agency...
Only reason I say no is  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:06 pm : link
We go for Monroe and Carrol, where is the money to sign a starting center? No starting center goes for the MLE anymore. Carrol will be 29 by the time next season starts, and I would think Atlanta would be willing to go to a bidding war with anyone as they have no other use for their cap room.
as mentioned previously  
Enzo : 5/28/2015 2:08 pm : link
I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.
RE: as mentioned previously  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2015 2:09 pm : link
In comment 12304516 Enzo said:
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.


This team has no draft pick next year they better make the playoffs...
The reality is that the Knicks will have to overpay guys  
bceagle05 : 5/28/2015 2:11 pm : link
at this point if they plan on fielding any sort of competitive team. If they want to do what Philly's doing and hoard draft picks and cap space indefinitely, I'd be fine with it. I've suffered this long, I can keep going. But that's not happening.
There is no more sitting on cap space  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2015 2:12 pm : link
Knicks have 27 million in cap space and with the cap going up next year i would be shocked if Phil sits on the money..
A better question would be  
Aspano! : 5/28/2015 2:12 pm : link
What starting center will be available during the coming FA period?

Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.

Who else?
RE: as mentioned previously  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:12 pm : link
In comment 12304516 Enzo said:
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.


There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.
RE: A better question would be  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12304527 Aspano! said:
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What starting center will be available during the coming FA period?

Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.

Who else?


Koufos and Ajinca are two guys that can become starters. Mozgov was backing up Koufos in Denver and I think he could be just as valuable. And he is 25.
And Koufos will get 8-10 million starting  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2015 2:15 pm : link
salary...
RE: RE: as mentioned previously  
Enzo : 5/28/2015 2:15 pm : link
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



This team has no draft pick next year they better make the playoffs...

short-sighted thinking like that is why this team has struggled for most of the last 13 years.
RE: RE: I'd pay a roll player the midlevel  
Deej : 5/28/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12304491 nygiants16 said:
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if he was young. But I really dont want to spend much more than min. money one guys who, at best, will be your 5-8th best player. That's something you do once your core is in place.



So who are you expecting this year???

is it Aldridge or Gasol or bust for you??

What do you think guys like Danny Green, Wesley matthews, Aaron Affalo, Tobias Harris..what do you think these guys are getting??

Shit Draymond Green is going to be maxed out and he is a role player on a very good Warriors team...

a guy like Milsap will probably get around 12-14 million per year and he is 31...

a guy liek RObin Lopez will probably get close to 10 million

Kostas Koufos is going to get close to 10 million and he was a back up center last year...

I dont know what some people are expecting during free agency...


The Greens are not role players to me. They can be in your top 4 best guys and you could still win a title. The other guys are generally more desirable to be than Carroll (who I think is a real journeyman). How do you compare a 28 year old Carroll and a 22 year old Harris?

More importantly, Im not against dropping $10 on some of these guys. Im against doing it when we dont have a decent core in place. Unless it is a real bargain. A player isnt worth X in a vacuum. He's worth X to one team, and 1.2 X to another team.
RE: And Koufos will get 8-10 million starting  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12304545 nygiants16 said:
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salary...


Could be more. But when there aren't any other rim protectors becoming available you gotta pay a premium to get it.
RE: RE: as mentioned previously  
Enzo : 5/28/2015 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12304531 giantsfan44ab said:
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.

I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.
RE: A better question would be  
Enzo : 5/28/2015 2:19 pm : link
In comment 12304527 Aspano! said:
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What starting center will be available during the coming FA period?

Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.

Who else?

Asik is unrestricted but seemingly never gets mentioned. He's not ideal, but he's better than anyone we have by a lot.
RE: RE: A better question would be  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:20 pm : link
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What starting center will be available during the coming FA period?

Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.

Who else?


Asik is unrestricted but seemingly never gets mentioned. He's not ideal, but he's better than anyone we have by a lot.


Because NO is going to pay whatever to keep him, otherwise they just wasted a top 20 1st round pick to get him.
RE: RE: A better question would be  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12304569 Enzo said:
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What starting center will be available during the coming FA period?

Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.

Who else?


Asik is unrestricted but seemingly never gets mentioned. He's not ideal, but he's better than anyone we have by a lot.


Because NO is going to pay whatever to keep him, otherwise they just wasted a top 20 1st round pick to get him.
RE: RE: RE: as mentioned previously  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:22 pm : link
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.


I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.


If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?
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Enzo : 5/28/2015 2:29 pm : link
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.


I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.



If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?

teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.
But here is the thing  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2015 2:32 pm : link
Sixers have a ton of picks to offer to get a player....

Knicks do not have anything to offer so how are they going to make this move?
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giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:34 pm : link
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.


I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.



If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?


teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.


Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?

You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.

And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.
RE: But here is the thing  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12304629 nygiants16 said:
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Sixers have a ton of picks to offer to get a player....

Knicks do not have anything to offer so how are they going to make this move?


I think what he was implying was what the Clippers did with Dudley. They didn't have space so they gave the Bucks a future 1st rounder to simply get him off the books.
Phil has already said  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2015 2:43 pm : link
he wants the draft pick to develop a young player and will use free agency to build the team...face it Phil is going to use the cap space...
He's going  
EricNY33 : 5/28/2015 2:52 pm : link
to use it. I just hope it's not overpaying for specialist players like Carroll.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: as mentioned previously  
Enzo : 5/28/2015 3:00 pm : link
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.


I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.



If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?


teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.



Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?

You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.

And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.

it could be a future first, doesn't have to be in this draft. I'm not against spending big this summer, but if the choice is spending for role players or accumulating picks, I'll take the picks.
I don't know why we're taking the word of a GM at face value  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/28/2015 3:05 pm : link
It's the offseason. This is the time where teams make plans and need to keep them quiet.
GM or president, for that matter.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/28/2015 3:05 pm : link
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RE: Monroe  
BeerFridge : 5/28/2015 3:12 pm : link
In comment 12304265 EricNY33 said:
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isn't a center, and if the Knicks sign him to play there they're crazy.


I disagree with this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: as mentioned previously  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 3:29 pm : link
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.


I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.



If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?


teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.



Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?

You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.

And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.


it could be a future first, doesn't have to be in this draft. I'm not against spending big this summer, but if the choice is spending for role players or accumulating picks, I'll take the picks.


"spending for role players or accumulating picks"

Well what do 80% of late 1st round picks become? Role players.
RE: RE: Monroe  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 3:30 pm : link
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isn't a center, and if the Knicks sign him to play there they're crazy.



I disagree with this.


Where do propose the defense shall come from if Monroe is at center?
How about Carroll at the 4?  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 3:34 pm : link
He is 6'8" with a 6'10" wingspan? He is only listed at 212 pounds but he certainly looks built and plays extremely tough. With the NBA transitioning to an era with positionless basketball, Caroll can guard multiple positions and stretch the floor.
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DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 3:47 pm : link
Wes Matthews apparently is going to be looking for 4 years 48 coming off an achilles injury. My hope is he finds that too be WAY high and we get him on a buy low deal. That said if role players are getting 10-12 then Monroe is an absolute steal at 15.
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BeerFridge : 5/28/2015 3:53 pm : link
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isn't a center, and if the Knicks sign him to play there they're crazy.



I disagree with this.



Where do propose the defense shall come from if Monroe is at center?


It does mean you will need a more defensive oriented guys at the remaining forward spot and both guard spots. But Monroe is a matchup problem offensively for almost every team. I'd rather have him and lesser defense than some of the supposed better defenders with no offensive games.


I think he's better as a center defensively and is absolutely better as a center offensively. He's never gonna be the traditional shot blocking rim protector but he's less exposed when playing the 5 than he is at the 4. He's only a 4 because Drummond is a defensive and shot blocking force. But Monroe's offensive efficiency is MUCH higher when he plays the 5. I don't think Drummond and Monroe work well together at all.

I really like him better if you play him at the 5 even if he's really more of an old school 5 than the guys folks play there now.

Its going to be like the Oprah Winfrey show  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 3:53 pm : link
"You get a max deal! And you get a max deal! Max deals for everyone!"

Somewhere Monta Ellis and Goran Dragic are smirking.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2015 3:59 pm : link
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isn't a center, and if the Knicks sign him to play there they're crazy.



I disagree with this.



Where do propose the defense shall come from if Monroe is at center?



It does mean you will need a more defensive oriented guys at the remaining forward spot and both guard spots. But Monroe is a matchup problem offensively for almost every team. I'd rather have him and lesser defense than some of the supposed better defenders with no offensive games.


I think he's better as a center defensively and is absolutely better as a center offensively. He's never gonna be the traditional shot blocking rim protector but he's less exposed when playing the 5 than he is at the 4. He's only a 4 because Drummond is a defensive and shot blocking force. But Monroe's offensive efficiency is MUCH higher when he plays the 5. I don't think Drummond and Monroe work well together at all.

I really like him better if you play him at the 5 even if he's really more of an old school 5 than the guys folks play there now.


I can't disagree with that. I know nygiants16 has been calling for Amir Johnson and he would be a solid complement with Monroe. We wouldn't be world-stopppers defensively, but those 2 are some of the most efficient big men in the league.
Asik  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 4:16 pm : link
Biyombo, Koufos, Robin Lopez. Phil failed if he can't find a decent defensive 5 to pair with Monroe.
Asik  
EricNY33 : 5/28/2015 4:22 pm : link
is my choice. I'd take Biyombo but he fouls at an alarming rate.
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DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 4:30 pm : link
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is my choice. I'd take Biyombo but he fouls at an alarming rate.


Just saying "solid defensive 5" is actually something that seemingly will be available. No excuse not to add one.

Jordan
Asik
Biyombo
Gasol
Lopez
Koufos
Ajinca
Jordan Hill
Unrelated but I'd take Jimmer off the bench since he'll be insanely cheap
In terms of offense  
Aspano! : 5/28/2015 4:36 pm : link
Can Monroe work with one of these centers? Do any of them have decent range on offense? Everything I've heard/read says Monroe on offense is a monster in the post, but offers little outside of that.
I think Lopez is  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2015 4:43 pm : link
your guy. RoLo has turned into a really nice role player over the years. I think he'd be a fan of playing in NYC with his bro in town and he'd be a nice fit at the C position for a contract that likely won't be too much.
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Enzo : 5/28/2015 4:46 pm : link
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.



There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.


I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.



If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?


teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.



Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?

You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.

And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.


it could be a future first, doesn't have to be in this draft. I'm not against spending big this summer, but if the choice is spending for role players or accumulating picks, I'll take the picks.



"spending for role players or accumulating picks"

Well what do 80% of late 1st round picks become? Role players.

yeah, except when you draft them you get them cheap and young.
this would be a nice starting 5 imo  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2015 4:49 pm : link
Mudiay
SG
Melo
Monroe
Lopez

Did anyone else  
EricNY33 : 5/28/2015 5:06 pm : link
see Chris Sheridan's tweet last night about a coach getting fired and it's going to be shocking? Not Thibodeau because everyone knew about that. It's someone else.
RE: Did anyone else  
DanMetroMan : 5/28/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12305046 EricNY33 said:
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see Chris Sheridan's tweet last night about a coach getting fired and it's going to be shocking? Not Thibodeau because everyone knew about that. It's someone else.


McHale and Carlisle would be my random guesses after you shot down my Byron Scott guess lol
RE: Did anyone else  
Enzo : 5/28/2015 5:25 pm : link
In comment 12305046 EricNY33 said:
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see Chris Sheridan's tweet last night about a coach getting fired and it's going to be shocking? Not Thibodeau because everyone knew about that. It's someone else.

Random guess that would qualify as "shocking": George Karl. Vlade Divac is now running things there and it seems like he may have inherited Karl. And while I'm speculating, maybe they've already disagreed on Cousins? Other than that, guys like McHale or the guy in Portland would qualify. Or maybe Byron Scott?
Carroll  
hitdog42 : 5/28/2015 5:27 pm : link
Is a guy you want when he's not making much money- his role is something you pay your scouting department for. You do t want to pay up for him when still building a winner- you want to be good already and use an ariza type deal.
RE: Carroll  
MookGiants : 5/28/2015 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12305069 hitdog42 said:
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Is a guy you want when he's not making much money- his role is something you pay your scouting department for. You do t want to pay up for him when still building a winner- you want to be good already and use an ariza type deal.


Bingo. A lot of his value goes away when he's the 3rd highest paid player on your team.
RE: RE: Carroll  
giantsfan44ab : 5/29/2015 9:11 am : link
In comment 12305088 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12305069 hitdog42 said:


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Is a guy you want when he's not making much money- his role is something you pay your scouting department for. You do t want to pay up for him when still building a winner- you want to be good already and use an ariza type deal.



Bingo. A lot of his value goes away when he's the 3rd highest paid player on your team.


Great point. For the amount of money offered to Carroll you could go after Jae Crowder, who is 4-5 years younger and did a better job guarding Lebron IMO. I know he is restricted but Boston would think twice about matching such a high offer for him.

As for the centers with range, here are the FG of mid-range shots:

Rob Lo: 40.8% from 3-10 feet; 39.5% from 10-16 feet

Ajinca: 55.2% from 3-10 feet; 50.8% from 10-16 feet

Koufos: 45.5% from 3-10 feet; 33.3% from 10-16 feet

Jordan Hill: 40.3% from 3-10 feet; 34% from 10-16 feet

I'm going to leave out Asik and Deandre for obvious reasons.
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