Apparently they were work out partners and he wants to play for him...
Sounds like Milsap is almost a lock to stay with the Hawks...
Carroll would be a nice add, can play SG or SF, can knock down the open 3 and is a very good defender on the wing...
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Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.
Who else?
Asik is unrestricted but seemingly never gets mentioned. He's not ideal, but he's better than anyone we have by a lot.
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What starting center will be available during the coming FA period?
Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.
Who else?
Asik is unrestricted but seemingly never gets mentioned. He's not ideal, but he's better than anyone we have by a lot.
Because NO is going to pay whatever to keep him, otherwise they just wasted a top 20 1st round pick to get him.
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What starting center will be available during the coming FA period?
Marc Gasol? He's not going anywhere.
Who else?
Asik is unrestricted but seemingly never gets mentioned. He's not ideal, but he's better than anyone we have by a lot.
Because NO is going to pay whatever to keep him, otherwise they just wasted a top 20 1st round pick to get him.
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.
There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.
I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.
If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.
There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.
I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.
If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?
teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.
Knicks do not have anything to offer so how are they going to make this move?
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.
There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.
I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.
If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?
teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.
Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?
You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.
And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.
Knicks do not have anything to offer so how are they going to make this move?
I think what he was implying was what the Clippers did with Dudley. They didn't have space so they gave the Bucks a future 1st rounder to simply get him off the books.
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.
There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.
I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.
If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?
teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.
Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?
You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.
And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.
it could be a future first, doesn't have to be in this draft. I'm not against spending big this summer, but if the choice is spending for role players or accumulating picks, I'll take the picks.
I disagree with this.
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.
There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.
I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.
If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?
teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.
Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?
You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.
And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.
it could be a future first, doesn't have to be in this draft. I'm not against spending big this summer, but if the choice is spending for role players or accumulating picks, I'll take the picks.
"spending for role players or accumulating picks"
Well what do 80% of late 1st round picks become? Role players.
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isn't a center, and if the Knicks sign him to play there they're crazy.
I disagree with this.
Where do propose the defense shall come from if Monroe is at center?
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isn't a center, and if the Knicks sign him to play there they're crazy.
I disagree with this.
Where do propose the defense shall come from if Monroe is at center?
It does mean you will need a more defensive oriented guys at the remaining forward spot and both guard spots. But Monroe is a matchup problem offensively for almost every team. I'd rather have him and lesser defense than some of the supposed better defenders with no offensive games.
I think he's better as a center defensively and is absolutely better as a center offensively. He's never gonna be the traditional shot blocking rim protector but he's less exposed when playing the 5 than he is at the 4. He's only a 4 because Drummond is a defensive and shot blocking force. But Monroe's offensive efficiency is MUCH higher when he plays the 5. I don't think Drummond and Monroe work well together at all.
I really like him better if you play him at the 5 even if he's really more of an old school 5 than the guys folks play there now.
Somewhere Monta Ellis and Goran Dragic are smirking.
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isn't a center, and if the Knicks sign him to play there they're crazy.
I disagree with this.
Where do propose the defense shall come from if Monroe is at center?
It does mean you will need a more defensive oriented guys at the remaining forward spot and both guard spots. But Monroe is a matchup problem offensively for almost every team. I'd rather have him and lesser defense than some of the supposed better defenders with no offensive games.
I think he's better as a center defensively and is absolutely better as a center offensively. He's never gonna be the traditional shot blocking rim protector but he's less exposed when playing the 5 than he is at the 4. He's only a 4 because Drummond is a defensive and shot blocking force. But Monroe's offensive efficiency is MUCH higher when he plays the 5. I don't think Drummond and Monroe work well together at all.
I really like him better if you play him at the 5 even if he's really more of an old school 5 than the guys folks play there now.
I can't disagree with that. I know nygiants16 has been calling for Amir Johnson and he would be a solid complement with Monroe. We wouldn't be world-stopppers defensively, but those 2 are some of the most efficient big men in the league.
Just saying "solid defensive 5" is actually something that seemingly will be available. No excuse not to add one.
Jordan
Asik
Biyombo
Gasol
Lopez
Koufos
Ajinca
Jordan Hill
Unrelated but I'd take Jimmer off the bench since he'll be insanely cheap
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I'd rather save the space and leave the option open to rent out the space for a pick. And that can happen during the summer or during the season.
There are teams that are already built to rent out space, like the Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, and Sixers. Its not like if we leave open cap space we are guaranteed to receive a late 1st rounder. With the cap going up, cap space seems much less of an issue.
I'm not sure how teams are "built" to rent out space. You either have cap space or you don't. And the rising cap won't impact this strategy until next summer. Until then, there are still likely to be teams looking to clear room for free agent signings or to get under the luxury tax. And even if the cap space remains unused, if you avoid getting locked into a multi-year year this summer, you have that much more money next summer.
If you could provide examples of which teams are going to do this, then it would make more sense. But what contender is going to give the Knicks, who are trying to compete, a 1st rounder when they can give the sixers a 1st rounder?
teams that are looking to clear room typically aren't looking to clear room until they have a free agent lined up to sign with them, which makes it impossible to predict at this time. As for teams preferring certain franchises to deal with, I don't see your point. Teams will take the best offer out there, period.
Is a late 1st rounder really going to be worth taking up cap space in a year where it matters more?
You can give out huge deals this offseason that will look like pennies in 3 years. A $10 million 2 years now will have as much of an impact on the cap as the MLE today.
And Phil Jackson has 4 years left to make things right. You really think he would take a pass on guys like Wes Matthews to see how much of an impact Cliff Alexander will give to a team over the next few years? Doesn't seem likely or logical.
it could be a future first, doesn't have to be in this draft. I'm not against spending big this summer, but if the choice is spending for role players or accumulating picks, I'll take the picks.
"spending for role players or accumulating picks"
Well what do 80% of late 1st round picks become? Role players.
yeah, except when you draft them you get them cheap and young.
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Melo
Monroe
Lopez
McHale and Carlisle would be my random guesses after you shot down my Byron Scott guess lol
Random guess that would qualify as "shocking": George Karl. Vlade Divac is now running things there and it seems like he may have inherited Karl. And while I'm speculating, maybe they've already disagreed on Cousins? Other than that, guys like McHale or the guy in Portland would qualify. Or maybe Byron Scott?
Bingo. A lot of his value goes away when he's the 3rd highest paid player on your team.
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Is a guy you want when he's not making much money- his role is something you pay your scouting department for. You do t want to pay up for him when still building a winner- you want to be good already and use an ariza type deal.
Bingo. A lot of his value goes away when he's the 3rd highest paid player on your team.
Great point. For the amount of money offered to Carroll you could go after Jae Crowder, who is 4-5 years younger and did a better job guarding Lebron IMO. I know he is restricted but Boston would think twice about matching such a high offer for him.
As for the centers with range, here are the FG of mid-range shots:
Rob Lo: 40.8% from 3-10 feet; 39.5% from 10-16 feet
Ajinca: 55.2% from 3-10 feet; 50.8% from 10-16 feet
Koufos: 45.5% from 3-10 feet; 33.3% from 10-16 feet
Jordan Hill: 40.3% from 3-10 feet; 34% from 10-16 feet
I'm going to leave out Asik and Deandre for obvious reasons.