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NFT: Property Tax Question - Union County

ank00 : 5/28/2015 2:22 pm
Wife and I are looking to buy a house in New Providence. The house we are interested in was last sold in 2008 for $337K or so. Since then, the owner (who is also a builder) stripped the place down and rebuilt everything from bottom up. The place is immaculate and now he is asking for over a mil. Now, the question is that taxes on that place look very low compared to the asking price. The taxes are $15k but i am wondering if that's because of last sale price. Meaning, as soon we purchase the property in the asking price range then the house will be reassessed and the taxes will end up going to $25-30k/year.

Any ideas on how tax assessment works on recent home sales?
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Named Later : 5/28/2015 2:33 pm : link
Builder may have gotten a Tax Abatement for Capital Improvements. The local Assessor knows what he did to the house based on the plans he submitted to the Building Dept.

You will be on the hook for the higher assessment after the abatement runs out.
A couple of things to look at  
njm : 5/28/2015 2:33 pm : link
1. How high are taxes in New Providence generally? You might look at listings in that price range where there were no major renovations and see what they are paying.

2. At least in Bergen County, most towns do appraisals of every home/condo every 5-10 years. When was the last one done? That might give you a hint of a coming nasty surprise.

3. Does New Providence adjust the appraised value after a sale. Your real estate agent should know that one.
If al the improvements were cosmetic  
ron mexico : 5/28/2015 2:37 pm : link
and he didn't change the square footage, number of BRs or baths I don't think you should see much of an increase.

BTW, 15k sounds way high for a 300-400k house so maybe the taxes have already gone up?

RE: If al the improvements were cosmetic  
ank00 : 5/28/2015 3:06 pm : link
In comment 12304656 ron mexico said:
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and he didn't change the square footage, number of BRs or baths I don't think you should see much of an increase.

BTW, 15k sounds way high for a 300-400k house so maybe the taxes have already gone up?



The reason we were interested in the house were taxes seemed low for a house in the price range. After seeing the house - I am pretty sure he either had abatements or the house hasn't been assessed at today's tax rate.
One thing to check  
ron mexico : 5/28/2015 3:09 pm : link
is is the value of the assessment driven from the land value or the improvement.

If the house I found on realtor.com is the one you are looking at, the land assessment is very very low which is why the overall taxes are low. From that, two things:

1) the land assessment shouldn't change, so you should be good there

2) I would question why the assessment is so low, 50% lower than smaller lots. Something to ask your realtor.

if the work was done with permits  
upstatenyg : 5/28/2015 3:15 pm : link
then the 15K is the amount.

you can check the history of property taxes, and see when it increased after the renovation.

Current sales data is not used to re-assess properties typically.

It won't be re-assessed just because you buy it.
for example  
ron mexico : 5/28/2015 3:16 pm : link
this place has a smaller lot but the land assessment is 50% higher

I have a website bookmarked at home where you can look up the assessment, tax rate and purchase price of any property in NJ (nothing is private anymore).

I'll try to remember to post it here tonight.

From that you can check the neighbors land assessment to see if there is something out of whack with this property.

But your realtor should really be answering these questions. If they don't know or can't figure out how to find out, find another realtor.
Link - ( New Window )
I agree  
jeffro1 : 5/28/2015 3:18 pm : link
The tax amount likely takes into consideration the improvements made by the seller.

I am an attorney and practice in real estate (just closed a deal in New Providence last month). If I had the address I could give you more information on the current assessment and history, etc.
Ron/Jeff - here you go  
ank00 : 5/28/2015 3:51 pm : link
In comment 12304779 jeffro1 said:
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The tax amount likely takes into consideration the improvements made by the seller.

I am an attorney and practice in real estate (just closed a deal in New Providence last month). If I had the address I could give you more information on the current assessment and history, etc.


Thanks guys - I really appreciate all the advice. Here is the listing. The house is absolutely gorgeous and well built.

New Providence House - ( New Window )
Trying to link the info on the house  
jeffro1 : 5/28/2015 3:58 pm : link
The assessment has not changed in the past 4 years and stands at 333300. With the tax rate of 4.564, we arrive at the amount of your taxes 15,211.81.
131 Union Ave - ( New Window )
RE: Trying to link the info on the house  
ank00 : 5/28/2015 4:10 pm : link
In comment 12304888 jeffro1 said:
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The assessment has not changed in the past 4 years and stands at 333300. With the tax rate of 4.564, we arrive at the amount of your taxes 15,211.81. 131 Union Ave - ( New Window )



So - this means there is a high probability the taxes won't go up on the house? Also - could there be abatements of any sort?
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Named Later : 5/28/2015 4:12 pm : link
Those Tax Abatements for Capital Improvements usually only last for 5 years. It's a perk to get owners to make big improvements on their homes. Once the 5 years are up....they will re-assess the Improvements Value based on the builder's plans. And your new Assessed Value is no longer $333K but something much larger.

Call the Boro of New Providence Tax Assessor and give him the Block & Lot. He'll tell you if there is an Abatement in place and when it runs out.

Great school system and they just rebuilt downtonn  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/29/2015 11:12 am : link
But for 30k taxes is too high. Same school system in Springfield and a 1/4 of those taxes
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Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/29/2015 5:09 pm : link
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