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NFT: Former House Speaker Hastert Indicted

Deej : 5/28/2015 5:48 pm
charged with lying to the FBI and evading currency transaction reports. Longest serving GOP speaker in history (1999-2006).

Dont know the details, but lying to the feds is what they got Martha on too.
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They got DeLay, then Hastert.  
BeerFridge : 5/29/2015 9:56 am : link
Pelosi and Boehner better watch out.
Whatever he;s covering up, it's big  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 5/29/2015 10:15 am : link
Nobody is going to pay three and a half million dollars hush money unless the secret is radioactive.
RE: Whatever he;s covering up, it's big  
Deej : 5/29/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12305674 Gary from The East End said:
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Nobody is going to pay three and a half million dollars hush money unless the secret is radioactive.


Right. I dont think a simple affair cuts it.

Also, "profoundly gay" is great writing. If the post had said he was just "gay" then we'd view it is a fact, or representation of status and just move on. But put "profoundly" in there and the imagination runs.
IDK, I have a lot of children...  
Dunedin81 : 5/29/2015 10:30 am : link
it might be cheaper in the long run to pay seven figures in hush money than to pay child support for the next 17+ years.
RE: IDK, I have a lot of children...  
montanagiant : 5/29/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12305707 Dunedin81 said:
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it might be cheaper in the long run to pay seven figures in hush money than to pay child support for the next 17+ years.

That would be if you were trying to keep it quiet from the wife. But then you need to explain to her where the 3M went.
On top of that, once the FBI got involved the cats out of the bag on an affair, so why lie to them?

I'm in for pedophile for $20.  
x meadowlander : 5/29/2015 10:47 am : link
:)
RE: RE: IDK, I have a lot of children...  
Dunedin81 : 5/29/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12305730 montanagiant said:
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In comment 12305707 Dunedin81 said:


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it might be cheaper in the long run to pay seven figures in hush money than to pay child support for the next 17+ years.


That would be if you were trying to keep it quiet from the wife. But then you need to explain to her where the 3M went.
On top of that, once the FBI got involved the cats out of the bag on an affair, so why lie to them?


I'd have to be creative in how I came up with the money. Hip hop mogul perhaps? Exotic dancer?
Being  
Semipro Lineman : 5/29/2015 10:59 am : link
serious for a second, I'm kind of surprised that he didn't funnel the money to the blackmailer from a campaign fund in the form of consulting work. I know that leaves a paper trail but I rather do it that way than take what I consider the bigger risk based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the anti-money laundering laws
RE: RE: Rory Reid paid a $25K fine...  
njm : 5/29/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12305193 Deej said:
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In comment 12305152 Dunedin81 said:


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for channeling money from a super-PAC into his gubernatorial campaign, and Reid's kids, Rory in particular, have a strange tendency to represent companies that covet Harry's political support.



#1 has nothing to do with Harry Reid. Should we smear Jeb, GWB, and GHWB for the sins of other Bushes like Neil and Prescott? #2 is troubling (and altogether too fucking common). I'll look more into that.

Buford's citation to JW has nothing to do with facts. JW has the credibility of a FoxNews.com comments section post. JW representing a "fact" makes me MORE likely to disbelieve that fact.

Here is Judicial Watch's 2012 10 Most Corrupt List: Vern Buchanan (R-FL), Sec'ty Chu, Hillary & Susan Rice, Holder, Jesse Jackson Jr, Menendez, Obama, Reid, Rivera (R-FL), Sebelius. So two GOP back benchers who had been condemned by most of their own party as corrupt hacks, and all the most prominent democrats. And the complaints about the Dems are typically policy/governance based and have nothing to do with corruption. Like Holder:



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A regular on our annual Top Ten Corrupt list, Holder shamelessly operates the most blatantly politicized Department of Justice (DOJ) in a generation. And, with the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, it is no exaggeration that his agency has blood on its hands.



It's really just such a ridiculous but predictable source for Buford to cite.


Hey, we all know we're dealing with a biased organization, but when I look at the list I see JJ Jr. who went to prison and Menendez who is under indictment. It's not all bullshit.
RE: Being  
SwirlingEddie : 5/29/2015 11:45 am : link
In comment 12305759 Semipro Lineman said:
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serious for a second, I'm kind of surprised that he didn't funnel the money to the blackmailer from a campaign fund in the form of consulting work. I know that leaves a paper trail but I rather do it that way than take what I consider the bigger risk based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the anti-money laundering laws


You'd be surprised how many people think they can avoid suspicion or attention simply by keeping their cash transactions slightly under the threshhold.
Strange call ...  
sphinx : 5/29/2015 11:56 am : link
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Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) received a strange call from a man in Yorkville, Ill., while on C-SPAN in 2014, which is making the rounds in light of the Justice Department's indictment Thursday.

“Hello, Denny,” said the man, who went by the name "Bruce." “Do you remember me from Yorkville?”

Bruce then laughed and hung up. [...]

The indictment indicated that the person whom Hastert paid has been a Yorkville resident and known Hastert most of his or her life. It also prominently noted that Hastert was a teacher and wrestling coach before serving in Congress.

There's no indication that the C-SPAN call is related to the new allegations.

Hastert resigned from Congress after the 2006 elections, where Republicans were dogged by their handling of then-Rep. Mark Foley's (R-Fla.) sexually explicit instant messages and emails that he sent to male congressional pages.

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RE: Being  
schabadoo : 5/29/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12305759 Semipro Lineman said:
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serious for a second, I'm kind of surprised that he didn't funnel the money to the blackmailer from a campaign fund in the form of consulting work. I know that leaves a paper trail but I rather do it that way than take what I consider the bigger risk based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the anti-money laundering laws


A career politician and he couldn't figure out how to funnel some money? There's handlers for these types of things, keep your hands clean.
Still chuckling at the profoundly gay comment  
Rob in CT/NYC : 5/29/2015 12:05 pm : link
Had no idea there was a continuum....runs from Paul Newman to Nathan Lane? Ryan Phillipe to Harvey Fierstein?
RE: Still chuckling at the profoundly gay comment  
Deej : 5/29/2015 12:11 pm : link
In comment 12305888 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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Had no idea there was a continuum....runs from Paul Newman to Nathan Lane? Ryan Phillipe to Harvey Fierstein?


So good news Rob, you're not gay, you're just a 2 on the Kinsey scale (a 1 if you're drunk).
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Hastert should have just  
buford : 5/29/2015 1:00 pm : link
started a charity and funneled the money that way. No way he'd get caught then.
So shouldn't the other party also be arrested?  
WideRight : 5/29/2015 1:45 pm : link
For extortion and tax evasion?

RE: So shouldn't the other party also be arrested?  
montanagiant : 5/29/2015 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12306146 WideRight said:
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For extortion and tax evasion?

Only if he said pay or else. If Hastert offered the money for the person to keep quiet then who did he extort?

The Tax Evasion part could be that the person did pay taxes and that is what created red flags, or the other person was told to cooperate and get the charges waived. He's the little fish in this deal.

If the rumors are true with regards to what Hastert did, then this is the only way to get him for something due to possible Statue of Limitations running out
RE: Hastert should have just  
montanagiant : 5/29/2015 2:14 pm : link
In comment 12306011 buford said:
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started a charity and funneled the money that way. No way he'd get caught then.

Yeah he could have run it through the Duggars church charity. Especially the fake one they ran for their TV show. In addition, Him and the son seem to have some things in common
Aside from the partisan idiocy  
Rob in CT/NYC : 5/29/2015 2:35 pm : link
there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.
RE: Aside from the partisan idiocy  
Enoch : 5/29/2015 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12306290 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.


That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.
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sphinx : 5/29/2015 3:02 pm : link
In comment 12306313 Enoch said:
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In comment 12306290 Rob in CT/NYC said:Quote:there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.


That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.

It's been my understanding that congresscritters do not get a security clearance just based on their election; that one may be required according to committee assignment. Right? Wrong?

LA Times ...  
sphinx : 5/29/2015 3:08 pm : link
Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying an individual from his past to conceal sexual misconduct, two federal law enforcement officials said Friday. [...]

Asked why Hastert was making the payments, the official said it was to conceal Hastert’s past relationship with the male. “It was sex,’’ the source said. The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse.


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Well, that sucks. If it's about him hiding he was gay that won't be  
BeerFridge : 5/29/2015 3:18 pm : link
entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.
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Enoch : 5/29/2015 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12306334 sphinx said:
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In comment 12306313 Enoch said:


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In comment 12306290 Rob in CT/NYC said:Quote:there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.


That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.


It's been my understanding that congresscritters do not get a security clearance just based on their election; that one may be required according to committee assignment. Right? Wrong?

Constitutionally, you can't add an additional qualification for office than the ones that are in Article I. I'm not sure about how anything like that pertains to committee assignments.
Wonder what he was thinking  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 3:21 pm : link
presiding over the Clinton Impeachment about lying about sex?
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buford : 5/29/2015 3:24 pm : link
In comment 12306236 montanagiant said:
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started a charity and funneled the money that way. No way he'd get caught then.


Yeah he could have run it through the Duggars church charity. Especially the fake one they ran for their TV show. In addition, Him and the son seem to have some things in common


Well no one is stupid enough to vote for a Duggar for President. Oh, and Jeffry Epstein.....
buford  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 3:25 pm : link
foaming at the mouth, dumbfounded, listening to talk radio for a response, getting desperate
here's what Hastert told the FBI re the cash:  
Del Shofner : 5/29/2015 3:29 pm : link
When questioned by the FBI about the withdrawals last December, Hastert, who as speaker was once second in line to take over the Oval Office if the president was incapacitated, said he was trying to store cash because he didn't feel safe with the banking system, according to the charges.

"Yeah ... I kept the cash. That's what I'm doing," Hastert was quoted as saying to the agents
RE: Well, that sucks. If it's about him hiding he was gay that won't be  
Deej : 5/29/2015 3:30 pm : link
In comment 12306362 BeerFridge said:
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entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.


Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."

This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.
Wow  
WideRight : 5/29/2015 3:33 pm : link
And he was right in the middle of both the page-gate and Larry Craig sagas. Achieving new levels of hypocracy. Or maybe Spitzer-level heights.
LOLz  
Deej : 5/29/2015 3:36 pm : link
From the NY Times 12/20/98, about the sudden announcement during the Clinton sex impeachment trial that sex scandal plagued Livingston would not replace the sex scandal plagued Gingrich:

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Mr. Hastert began lobbying on the House floor within moments of Mr. Livingston's resignation. By late afternoon, Mr. Hastert had the public backing of the current leadership, including Representatives Dick Armey and DeLay of Texas and Newt Gingrich, the current Speaker. About 100 members, including conservatives like Steve Largent of Oklahoma and a few moderates like Mr. Castle, declared their support for him tonight after he assured them that he had no skeletons in his closet.

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RE: RE: Well, that sucks. If it's about him hiding he was gay that won't be  
montanagiant : 5/29/2015 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12306395 Deej said:
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In comment 12306362 BeerFridge said:


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entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.



Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."

This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.

Yeah its not just having a gay fling or two. It has been said that the person in question has known Hastert since the person was a young child. That aspect of knowing him since very young seems to be a red flag
Interesting that the guy who was second in line  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 3:58 pm : link
told the FBI he took out the cash because he didn't trust Banks.
RE: RE: Well, that sucks. If it's about him hiding he was gay that won't be  
BeerFridge : 5/29/2015 3:58 pm : link
In comment 12306395 Deej said:
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In comment 12306362 BeerFridge said:


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entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.



Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."

This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.


Ack. Yeah, I guess that is very different than consensual activities.
Headhunter, That wasn't Hastert...  
BamaBlue : 5/29/2015 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12306374 Headhunter said:
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presiding over the Clinton Impeachment about lying about sex?


You're talking about Bob Livingston... eh, you were close.
The same Bob Livingston that got the boot  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 4:08 pm : link
before he could ever preside over the House because he got caught having an affair? Is that the same guy?
BamaBlue if you are going to talk out of your ass  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 4:11 pm : link
does us all a favor and gargle first
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do us all  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 4:11 pm : link
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hey, where'd your awesome @POTUS thread go?  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 4:55 pm : link
Why deprive the masses of such a gem?
Headhunter...  
BamaBlue : 5/29/2015 5:18 pm : link
the proceedings were already completed when Hastert took over. If you even looked at the article you posted, that point would be obvious. I don't know why you took my comment so personally... it wasn't my intent to poke you in the eye.
BamaBlue  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 5:19 pm : link
Then I misread your intent and I apologize
RE: Headhunter...  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12306614 BamaBlue said:
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the proceedings were already completed when Hastert took over. If you even looked at the article you posted, that point would be obvious. I don't know why you took my comment so personally... it wasn't my intent to poke you in the eye.


Dude, you'd be better off trying to reason with a brick.
Headhunter...  
BamaBlue : 5/29/2015 5:26 pm : link
No problem... I only wanted to point out that it was not Hastert that presided over the impeachment. Livingston was the speaker-elect at that time and Hastert came after the impeachment proceedings were delivered to the Senate by Henry Hyde. This CNN article makes that point clear...
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Thanks  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 5:31 pm : link
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Dennis Hastert Allegedly Engaged in Sexual Misconduct...  
M.S. : 5/29/2015 6:07 pm : link
...wha?

Wait a minute.

Didn't Hastert go after Clinton for all his sexual mis-adventures?

But now this?

Say it ain't so Denny.
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the only shocking thing here  
TJ : 5/29/2015 10:37 pm : link
is there appear to be some people who convince themselves the politicians of one party are more corrupt or venal than those in the other. I wish people who actually believe that could be denied the vote.
Following up on M.S, post  
montanagiant : 5/30/2015 1:58 am : link
Appears to be a second person involved:
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WASHINGTON — Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying a former student from Yorkville, Ill., to conceal his alleged sexual abuse of the young man while Hastert was a teacher at a high school there, federal law enforcement officials said Friday.

A top official, who would not be identified speaking about the federal charges in Chicago, said investigators also spoke with a second person who raised similar allegations that corroborated what the student said.

The second person was not being paid by Hastert, the official said.

The disclosures followed Thursday's federal indictment against Hastert for lying to the FBI about the reasons he made large cash withdrawals, which were allegedly used to buy the man's silence.
More on Hastert sucking...  
Dunedin81 : 6/1/2015 10:31 am : link
specifically, how a guy who came into Congress as a schoolteacher a few years removed from the classroom left it as a very wealthy man.
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Yeah, that is the real scandal  
buford : 6/1/2015 10:33 am : link
If he did molest a student, he should be punished for that, but I guess the statue of limitations is up. But why does he have 3.5 million to be blackmailed out of? I'm sick of these politicians on both sides of the aisle going to DC and getting rich while the rest of us have to work harder and harder to just stay afloat. Time for some serious change.
In Russia, politicians make billions  
WideRight : 6/1/2015 10:46 am : link
Here, its only millions
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