Nobody is going to pay three and a half million dollars hush money unless the secret is radioactive.
Right. I dont think a simple affair cuts it.
Also, "profoundly gay" is great writing. If the post had said he was just "gay" then we'd view it is a fact, or representation of status and just move on. But put "profoundly" in there and the imagination runs.
it might be cheaper in the long run to pay seven figures in hush money than to pay child support for the next 17+ years.
That would be if you were trying to keep it quiet from the wife. But then you need to explain to her where the 3M went.
On top of that, once the FBI got involved the cats out of the bag on an affair, so why lie to them?
it might be cheaper in the long run to pay seven figures in hush money than to pay child support for the next 17+ years.
That would be if you were trying to keep it quiet from the wife. But then you need to explain to her where the 3M went.
On top of that, once the FBI got involved the cats out of the bag on an affair, so why lie to them?
I'd have to be creative in how I came up with the money. Hip hop mogul perhaps? Exotic dancer?
serious for a second, I'm kind of surprised that he didn't funnel the money to the blackmailer from a campaign fund in the form of consulting work. I know that leaves a paper trail but I rather do it that way than take what I consider the bigger risk based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the anti-money laundering laws
for channeling money from a super-PAC into his gubernatorial campaign, and Reid's kids, Rory in particular, have a strange tendency to represent companies that covet Harry's political support.
#1 has nothing to do with Harry Reid. Should we smear Jeb, GWB, and GHWB for the sins of other Bushes like Neil and Prescott? #2 is troubling (and altogether too fucking common). I'll look more into that.
Buford's citation to JW has nothing to do with facts. JW has the credibility of a FoxNews.com comments section post. JW representing a "fact" makes me MORE likely to disbelieve that fact.
Here is Judicial Watch's 2012 10 Most Corrupt List: Vern Buchanan (R-FL), Sec'ty Chu, Hillary & Susan Rice, Holder, Jesse Jackson Jr, Menendez, Obama, Reid, Rivera (R-FL), Sebelius. So two GOP back benchers who had been condemned by most of their own party as corrupt hacks, and all the most prominent democrats. And the complaints about the Dems are typically policy/governance based and have nothing to do with corruption. Like Holder:
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A regular on our annual Top Ten Corrupt list, Holder shamelessly operates the most blatantly politicized Department of Justice (DOJ) in a generation. And, with the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, it is no exaggeration that his agency has blood on its hands.
It's really just such a ridiculous but predictable source for Buford to cite.
Hey, we all know we're dealing with a biased organization, but when I look at the list I see JJ Jr. who went to prison and Menendez who is under indictment. It's not all bullshit.
serious for a second, I'm kind of surprised that he didn't funnel the money to the blackmailer from a campaign fund in the form of consulting work. I know that leaves a paper trail but I rather do it that way than take what I consider the bigger risk based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the anti-money laundering laws
You'd be surprised how many people think they can avoid suspicion or attention simply by keeping their cash transactions slightly under the threshhold.
Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) received a strange call from a man in Yorkville, Ill., while on C-SPAN in 2014, which is making the rounds in light of the Justice Department's indictment Thursday.
“Hello, Denny,” said the man, who went by the name "Bruce." “Do you remember me from Yorkville?”
Bruce then laughed and hung up. [...]
The indictment indicated that the person whom Hastert paid has been a Yorkville resident and known Hastert most of his or her life. It also prominently noted that Hastert was a teacher and wrestling coach before serving in Congress.
There's no indication that the C-SPAN call is related to the new allegations.
Hastert resigned from Congress after the 2006 elections, where Republicans were dogged by their handling of then-Rep. Mark Foley's (R-Fla.) sexually explicit instant messages and emails that he sent to male congressional pages.
serious for a second, I'm kind of surprised that he didn't funnel the money to the blackmailer from a campaign fund in the form of consulting work. I know that leaves a paper trail but I rather do it that way than take what I consider the bigger risk based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the anti-money laundering laws
A career politician and he couldn't figure out how to funnel some money? There's handlers for these types of things, keep your hands clean.
Only if he said pay or else. If Hastert offered the money for the person to keep quiet then who did he extort?
The Tax Evasion part could be that the person did pay taxes and that is what created red flags, or the other person was told to cooperate and get the charges waived. He's the little fish in this deal.
If the rumors are true with regards to what Hastert did, then this is the only way to get him for something due to possible Statue of Limitations running out
started a charity and funneled the money that way. No way he'd get caught then.
Yeah he could have run it through the Duggars church charity. Especially the fake one they ran for their TV show. In addition, Him and the son seem to have some things in common
there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.
there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.
That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.
In comment 12306290 Rob in CT/NYC said:Quote:there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.
That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.
It's been my understanding that congresscritters do not get a security clearance just based on their election; that one may be required according to committee assignment. Right? Wrong?
Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying an individual from his past to conceal sexual misconduct, two federal law enforcement officials said Friday. [...]
Asked why Hastert was making the payments, the official said it was to conceal Hastert’s past relationship with the male. “It was sex,’’ the source said. The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse.
entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.
In comment 12306290 Rob in CT/NYC said:Quote:there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.
That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.
It's been my understanding that congresscritters do not get a security clearance just based on their election; that one may be required according to committee assignment. Right? Wrong?
Constitutionally, you can't add an additional qualification for office than the ones that are in Article I. I'm not sure about how anything like that pertains to committee assignments.
started a charity and funneled the money that way. No way he'd get caught then.
Yeah he could have run it through the Duggars church charity. Especially the fake one they ran for their TV show. In addition, Him and the son seem to have some things in common
Well no one is stupid enough to vote for a Duggar for President. Oh, and Jeffry Epstein.....
When questioned by the FBI about the withdrawals last December, Hastert, who as speaker was once second in line to take over the Oval Office if the president was incapacitated, said he was trying to store cash because he didn't feel safe with the banking system, according to the charges.
"Yeah ... I kept the cash. That's what I'm doing," Hastert was quoted as saying to the agents
RE: Well, that sucks. If it's about him hiding he was gay that won't be Â
entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.
Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."
From the NY Times 12/20/98, about the sudden announcement during the Clinton sex impeachment trial that sex scandal plagued Livingston would not replace the sex scandal plagued Gingrich:
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Mr. Hastert began lobbying on the House floor within moments of Mr. Livingston's resignation. By late afternoon, Mr. Hastert had the public backing of the current leadership, including Representatives Dick Armey and DeLay of Texas and Newt Gingrich, the current Speaker. About 100 members, including conservatives like Steve Largent of Oklahoma and a few moderates like Mr. Castle, declared their support for him tonight after he assured them that he had no skeletons in his closet.
entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.
Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."
This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.
Yeah its not just having a gay fling or two. It has been said that the person in question has known Hastert since the person was a young child. That aspect of knowing him since very young seems to be a red flag
entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.
Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."
This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.
Ack. Yeah, I guess that is very different than consensual activities.
the proceedings were already completed when Hastert took over. If you even looked at the article you posted, that point would be obvious. I don't know why you took my comment so personally... it wasn't my intent to poke you in the eye.
the proceedings were already completed when Hastert took over. If you even looked at the article you posted, that point would be obvious. I don't know why you took my comment so personally... it wasn't my intent to poke you in the eye.
Dude, you'd be better off trying to reason with a brick.
No problem... I only wanted to point out that it was not Hastert that presided over the impeachment. Livingston was the speaker-elect at that time and Hastert came after the impeachment proceedings were delivered to the Senate by Henry Hyde. This CNN article makes that point clear... CNN Impeachment - ( New Window )
is there appear to be some people who convince themselves the politicians of one party are more corrupt or venal than those in the other. I wish people who actually believe that could be denied the vote.
WASHINGTON — Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying a former student from Yorkville, Ill., to conceal his alleged sexual abuse of the young man while Hastert was a teacher at a high school there, federal law enforcement officials said Friday.
A top official, who would not be identified speaking about the federal charges in Chicago, said investigators also spoke with a second person who raised similar allegations that corroborated what the student said.
The second person was not being paid by Hastert, the official said.
The disclosures followed Thursday's federal indictment against Hastert for lying to the FBI about the reasons he made large cash withdrawals, which were allegedly used to buy the man's silence.
specifically, how a guy who came into Congress as a schoolteacher a few years removed from the classroom left it as a very wealthy man. Link - ( New Window )
If he did molest a student, he should be punished for that, but I guess the statue of limitations is up. But why does he have 3.5 million to be blackmailed out of? I'm sick of these politicians on both sides of the aisle going to DC and getting rich while the rest of us have to work harder and harder to just stay afloat. Time for some serious change.
Right. I dont think a simple affair cuts it.
Also, "profoundly gay" is great writing. If the post had said he was just "gay" then we'd view it is a fact, or representation of status and just move on. But put "profoundly" in there and the imagination runs.
That would be if you were trying to keep it quiet from the wife. But then you need to explain to her where the 3M went.
On top of that, once the FBI got involved the cats out of the bag on an affair, so why lie to them?
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it might be cheaper in the long run to pay seven figures in hush money than to pay child support for the next 17+ years.
That would be if you were trying to keep it quiet from the wife. But then you need to explain to her where the 3M went.
On top of that, once the FBI got involved the cats out of the bag on an affair, so why lie to them?
I'd have to be creative in how I came up with the money. Hip hop mogul perhaps? Exotic dancer?
Quote:
for channeling money from a super-PAC into his gubernatorial campaign, and Reid's kids, Rory in particular, have a strange tendency to represent companies that covet Harry's political support.
#1 has nothing to do with Harry Reid. Should we smear Jeb, GWB, and GHWB for the sins of other Bushes like Neil and Prescott? #2 is troubling (and altogether too fucking common). I'll look more into that.
Buford's citation to JW has nothing to do with facts. JW has the credibility of a FoxNews.com comments section post. JW representing a "fact" makes me MORE likely to disbelieve that fact.
Here is Judicial Watch's 2012 10 Most Corrupt List: Vern Buchanan (R-FL), Sec'ty Chu, Hillary & Susan Rice, Holder, Jesse Jackson Jr, Menendez, Obama, Reid, Rivera (R-FL), Sebelius. So two GOP back benchers who had been condemned by most of their own party as corrupt hacks, and all the most prominent democrats. And the complaints about the Dems are typically policy/governance based and have nothing to do with corruption. Like Holder:
Quote:
A regular on our annual Top Ten Corrupt list, Holder shamelessly operates the most blatantly politicized Department of Justice (DOJ) in a generation. And, with the Operation Fast and Furious scandal, it is no exaggeration that his agency has blood on its hands.
It's really just such a ridiculous but predictable source for Buford to cite.
Hey, we all know we're dealing with a biased organization, but when I look at the list I see JJ Jr. who went to prison and Menendez who is under indictment. It's not all bullshit.
You'd be surprised how many people think they can avoid suspicion or attention simply by keeping their cash transactions slightly under the threshhold.
“Hello, Denny,” said the man, who went by the name "Bruce." “Do you remember me from Yorkville?”
Bruce then laughed and hung up. [...]
The indictment indicated that the person whom Hastert paid has been a Yorkville resident and known Hastert most of his or her life. It also prominently noted that Hastert was a teacher and wrestling coach before serving in Congress.
There's no indication that the C-SPAN call is related to the new allegations.
Hastert resigned from Congress after the 2006 elections, where Republicans were dogged by their handling of then-Rep. Mark Foley's (R-Fla.) sexually explicit instant messages and emails that he sent to male congressional pages.
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A career politician and he couldn't figure out how to funnel some money? There's handlers for these types of things, keep your hands clean.
So good news Rob, you're not gay, you're just a 2 on the Kinsey scale (a 1 if you're drunk).
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Only if he said pay or else. If Hastert offered the money for the person to keep quiet then who did he extort?
The Tax Evasion part could be that the person did pay taxes and that is what created red flags, or the other person was told to cooperate and get the charges waived. He's the little fish in this deal.
If the rumors are true with regards to what Hastert did, then this is the only way to get him for something due to possible Statue of Limitations running out
Yeah he could have run it through the Duggars church charity. Especially the fake one they ran for their TV show. In addition, Him and the son seem to have some things in common
That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.
That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.
It's been my understanding that congresscritters do not get a security clearance just based on their election; that one may be required according to committee assignment. Right? Wrong?
Asked why Hastert was making the payments, the official said it was to conceal Hastert’s past relationship with the male. “It was sex,’’ the source said. The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse.
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In comment 12306290 Rob in CT/NYC said:Quote:there is a bigger issue here - Hastert stood right behind the Vice President in the line of succession and while the odds of him ascending to the Presidency were low, it was a possibility. The fact that someone held such influence over his actions for such a long time is pretty fucking scary...to say nothing of the damage that could have been down in his position as House Speaker.
That's a fair point. When somebody is up for a federal security clearance, a good portion of what the investigators are looking for is susceptibility to extortion.
It's been my understanding that congresscritters do not get a security clearance just based on their election; that one may be required according to committee assignment. Right? Wrong?
Constitutionally, you can't add an additional qualification for office than the ones that are in Article I. I'm not sure about how anything like that pertains to committee assignments.
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started a charity and funneled the money that way. No way he'd get caught then.
Yeah he could have run it through the Duggars church charity. Especially the fake one they ran for their TV show. In addition, Him and the son seem to have some things in common
Well no one is stupid enough to vote for a Duggar for President. Oh, and Jeffry Epstein.....
"Yeah ... I kept the cash. That's what I'm doing," Hastert was quoted as saying to the agents
Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."
This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.
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entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.
Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."
This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.
Yeah its not just having a gay fling or two. It has been said that the person in question has known Hastert since the person was a young child. That aspect of knowing him since very young seems to be a red flag
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entertaining for me at all. That's just a bummer, being blackmailed for wanting to have sex with dudes. I can't enjoy schadenfreude in that. That's just sad.
Re-read the reporting. It is relevant to his time as a teach and coach. "The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse."
This sounds like child sex, not homosexuality.
Ack. Yeah, I guess that is very different than consensual activities.
You're talking about Bob Livingston... eh, you were close.
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Dude, you'd be better off trying to reason with a brick.
CNN Impeachment - ( New Window )
Wait a minute.
Didn't Hastert go after Clinton for all his sexual mis-adventures?
But now this?
Say it ain't so Denny.
Dennis Hastert Allegedly Engaged in Sexual Misconduct During Time as Teacher, Sources Say - ( New Window )
A top official, who would not be identified speaking about the federal charges in Chicago, said investigators also spoke with a second person who raised similar allegations that corroborated what the student said.
The second person was not being paid by Hastert, the official said.
The disclosures followed Thursday's federal indictment against Hastert for lying to the FBI about the reasons he made large cash withdrawals, which were allegedly used to buy the man's silence.
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