Dan Graziano & #8207;@DanGrazianoESPN 3m3 minutes ago
Sources say free-agent OT Jake Long visited the Giants today. Obviously interesting light of Beatty injury.
Graziano. Idk if he ever says anything even somewhat good about the Giants. They've been bad recently, but he completely discounts having an NFL record number of players on IR. We were also lucky to win the Super Bowl in 2011.
Idk if ESPN has any good writers at all outside of a few guys who write soccer articles. They are TERRIBLE
...and the Giants want to mitigate the immediate cap impact, Long can largely be paid with 2016 cap dollars. That's what the team is doing with Schwartz and Beason: using NLTBE playing time incentives for players who missed most of the 2014 season. In Long's case, any incentive for his eighth game and after would be classified as NLTBE. So, for example, they could guarantee seven games worth of pay, and structure the rest as incentives.
The big problem, even if Long's rehab is on track, is timing. Of course, every ACL is different, blah, blah; but the usual recovery cycle suggests that Long won't really be himself until pretty close to the time Beatty is expected back. In September, he might look more like Marshall Newhouse than the 2010 version of Jake Long.
I know every ACL is different, but didn't he come back quickly last yr
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
guess is they're just ascertaining the status of his rehab. He can't be ready to play, and as somebody said, probably can't even pass a physical. This is just the Giants doing their "due diligence." When healthy, he's better than Newhouse, but he can't be close to that point yet.
there is no depth on the line especially at T, unless you include Pugh and Schwartz as tackle depth. But they are better suited where they are. They need someone that can actually play LT even if only for a couple games to spot start.
Apparently they are expecting Bamiro to fill a back-up role at OT. He certainly wouldn't still be getting reps if he weren't showing the coaches something! I for one hope he exceeds everyone's expectation, he is a giant!
Signing Long makes no sense unless he is healthy NOW
I can see giving him a contract based on if he wins a starting or backup role but not more than minimum if he can't win a job.
I'd like to get our permanent younger guys in there now, take the lumps early and continue to improve. I see Long as a bandaid.
I think we already have the guys to form a very good line. They just need experience at their positions and as a unit. Beatty would have likely been gone in 2016 anyway. Long is no long term answer at guard or tackle for this team.
He's been on the downward trend for years, including big injuries. What's the chance he plays more than 12 of the next 32 games? And at what level will he play them?
Rooting for this is like the guy in your fantasy league who is using last year's magazine to pick his team. The name and the player are not the same.
BeerFridge, if he plays 12 of 32 games that would make him
Has not been able to break the injury bug in years while his play has been ok nothing more. Sure after each injury he has returned however he has been hurt more than he is playing. Is Long a better option than a young guy who has some upside I would say no. If it was the middle of the season and he was healthy sure he would make sense now we have plenty of time to see what we have on the roster today.
the ideal Giants FA pickup!! :-) He'll fit right in with Beason, Schwartz et al.
Seriously though, if they could get him on the cheap for an incentive laden, cap friendly 1-2 yr deal he could help.
Sure. Cap friendly and not a long deal? Let's just not pencil him in anywhere other than riding a bike on the sidelines. The odds of a guy with this many years in the league and his injury history being a steady contributor are pretty low. If he lowers his price to acknowledge that then sure, I'm ok with it.
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
Great player when healthy, I'd love to have him on the squad... that said I don't think signing him helps the Giants at all this year. 7 months removed from a 2nd ACL tear on the same knee. I can't imagine he passes a physical.
camp doesn't start until late July. Preseason doesn't begin until mid August. Season won't kick off until September. So let's say we want Long to start hitting and moving around early August--that's still 2 months and change from now. That would be close to 10 months removed from surgery and we probably don't need Long to do much until the 11 or even 12 month mark.
If the guy is on track to be ready in a few months or even less he could help this team. Let's see what the docs think, not the ones on BBI...
If physical and tryout drills pass, even if he gives 5-6 games on the schedule front end, or has to be rotated out a series per game, we are buying time for a rookie to develop and/or until Beatty comes back( week 10,11?).
At worst, he teaches EF a lot about the LT position, private tutor-like.
RE: There is a reason,
Randy in CT : 10:18 am : link : reply
In comment 12305424 Doomster said:
Quote:
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
This guy is such a fucking joy to have around.
Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
RE: There is a reason,
Randy in CT : 10:18 am : link : reply
In comment 12305424 Doomster said:
Quote:
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
This guy is such a fucking joy to have around.
Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
Because the theme with you is to shit on EVERYTHING Giants. So, I used sarcasm to express your suckiness here. Capisce?
RE: There is a reason,
Randy in CT : 10:18 am : link : reply
In comment 12305424 Doomster said:
Quote:
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
This guy is such a fucking joy to have around.
Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
Because the theme with you is to shit on EVERYTHING Giants. So, I used sarcasm to express your suckiness here. Capisce?
Yup. How bout you hang on a Philly site? I'm sure you'd fit right in.
back into condition to play football then I would think its best to sign him now while he is still available, if we wait to sign him then some other team will beat us out like always...
Paul Schwartz @NYPost_Schwartz 24s24 seconds ago Manhattan, NY
Tom Coughlin on taking a look last week at OL Jake Long: "Just a visit. He ate well. He had a nice time visiting with us.''
Kiss my rings, Johnny Boy Band.
Idk if ESPN has any good writers at all outside of a few guys who write soccer articles. They are TERRIBLE
Offensive Tackle Jake Long Visits the New York Giants - ( New Window )
The big problem, even if Long's rehab is on track, is timing. Of course, every ACL is different, blah, blah; but the usual recovery cycle suggests that Long won't really be himself until pretty close to the time Beatty is expected back. In September, he might look more like Marshall Newhouse than the 2010 version of Jake Long.
Gettleman and zay moykhl. We need a starting LT and Jake Long is by far the best on the market...and apparently, his rehab is going well.
Saying that, even as broken down as he is I would be more comfortable with him than Newhouse
This continues to show how few LT the NFL really has
Saying that, even as broken down as he is I would be more comfortable with him than Newhouse
This continues to show how few LT the NFL really has
In 2013, he graded out as the 7th best OT according to PFF.
Link - ( New Window )
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
Could be early entrant for post of the year..
Apparently they are expecting Bamiro to fill a back-up role at OT. He certainly wouldn't still be getting reps if he weren't showing the coaches something! I for one hope he exceeds everyone's expectation, he is a giant!
Sign him! What could possibly go wrong?!
That, and he's had many significant injuries to his knees and back. Buyer beware, but for a small deal hopefully he provides reliable depth.
I'd like to get our permanent younger guys in there now, take the lumps early and continue to improve. I see Long as a bandaid.
I think we already have the guys to form a very good line. They just need experience at their positions and as a unit. Beatty would have likely been gone in 2016 anyway. Long is no long term answer at guard or tackle for this team.
That, and he's had many significant injuries to his knees and back. Buyer beware, but for a small deal hopefully he provides reliable depth.
This.
Don't expect the guy who was a high first round pick several years ago. That guy is gone.
Rooting for this is like the guy in your fantasy league who is using last year's magazine to pick his team. The name and the player are not the same.
Seriously though, if they could get him on the cheap for an incentive laden, cap friendly 1-2 yr deal he could help.
Seriously though, if they could get him on the cheap for an incentive laden, cap friendly 1-2 yr deal he could help.
Sure. Cap friendly and not a long deal? Let's just not pencil him in anywhere other than riding a bike on the sidelines. The odds of a guy with this many years in the league and his injury history being a steady contributor are pretty low. If he lowers his price to acknowledge that then sure, I'm ok with it.
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
If the guy is on track to be ready in a few months or even less he could help this team. Let's see what the docs think, not the ones on BBI...
At worst, he teaches EF a lot about the LT position, private tutor-like.
Randy in CT : 10:18 am : link : reply
In comment 12305424 Doomster said:
Quote:
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
This guy is such a fucking joy to have around.
Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
How did that work out last year?
Randy in CT : 10:18 am : link : reply
In comment 12305424 Doomster said:
Quote:
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
This guy is such a fucking joy to have around.
Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
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Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
I'm fairly sure Randy has a thought or two in his head.
I know for a fact he thinks you suck.
Quote:
RE: There is a reason,
Randy in CT : 10:18 am : link : reply
In comment 12305424 Doomster said:
Quote:
why a guy with his talent is available.....he has medical problems? Haven't we learned our lesson yet?
This guy was a 10M cap hit for the Rams....
Think this guy is going to play for the vet min?
I doubt he passes the physical......I doubt he can even practice at OTA's.....
Let's say he passes the physical....do you you want to invest cap dollars in that knee? I doubt he would sign a contract that is a performance contract, based on how many games he actually plays...
We do not have the luxury of gambling on his knee...this line (K)NEEDS solid depth, not someone with one wrong move...
This guy is such a fucking joy to have around.
Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
Because the theme with you is to shit on EVERYTHING Giants. So, I used sarcasm to express your suckiness here. Capisce?
Yup. How bout you hang on a Philly site? I'm sure you'd fit right in.
Randy in CT : 1:30 pm : link : reply
This guy is such a fucking joy to have around.
Why don't you dare to criticize what I write, instead of just the name....don't have a thought in your head?
Because the theme with you is to shit on EVERYTHING Giants. So, I used sarcasm to express your suckiness here. Capisce?
Once again, avoid the issue....criticize what I write.....you don't, because you can't...
OC2.0 : 3:00 pm : link : reply
Yup. How bout you hang on a Philly site? I'm sure you'd fit right in.
Another one without a thought in his head....
dorgan : 1:48 pm : link : reply
I'm fairly sure Randy has a thought or two in his head.
I know for a fact he thinks you suck.
Sure Randy can speak for himself......speak for yourself dorgon, if you can put two words together....
Tom Coughlin on taking a look last week at OL Jake Long: "Just a visit. He ate well. He had a nice time visiting with us.''