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BrettNYG10 : 5/29/2015 9:34 am
And why is it cinnamon raisin?

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Non-boiled bagels..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/29/2015 12:00 pm : link
are pretty easy to spot. I'm looking right at you Panera Bread......
Bagels  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 12:04 pm : link
bigger is not better. Anthony Bourdain when asked what food does NYC do best in the world, bagels and lox
Everything bagel  
NoPeanutz : 5/29/2015 12:05 pm : link
with cinnamon-raisin cream cheese. Laugh now, but the sweet + savory/salty pairing is unmatched.
RE: To add  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/29/2015 12:08 pm : link
In comment 12305741 Deej said:
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from the Russ & D's website page on belly lox:



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Is Belly Lox what is being referred to when people say "lox?"

Most likely, when people refer to "lox," as in "bagels and lox," they are referring to smoked salmon, typically the traditional Gaspe Nova. Belly lox is not smoked salmon; it is salmon that is cured in salt. Unlike smoked salmon, belly lox is very salty, but for those who grew up with this taste, there is no substitute.



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Novices beware: this is not smoked salmon.

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That settles it, I'm stopping at Russ and Daughters on the way home today!
Sun dried tomato bagel  
Canton : 5/29/2015 12:17 pm : link
with caviar
cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/29/2015 12:22 pm : link
cheese
RE: cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12305909 GMAN4LIFE said:
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cheese


Cinnamon bagel with cinnamon cream cheese? What're you, a fucking communist?
RE: Sun dried tomato bagel  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12305903 Canton said:
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with caviar


Thank you, Nelson Rockefeller...
RE: RE: cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
jcn56 : 5/29/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12305914 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12305909 GMAN4LIFE said:


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cheese



Cinnamon bagel with cinnamon cream cheese? What're you, a fucking communist?


Throw a hot dog with some ketchup on you, and you've got today's lunch special in hell.
RE: RE: cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12305914 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12305909 GMAN4LIFE said:


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cheese



Cinnamon bagel with cinnamon cream cheese? What're you, a fucking communist?


I don't want no Commies in my car!.......And no Christians, either!

RE: Does anyone really boil bagels anymore?  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/29/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12305850 jcn56 said:
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I know it's technically required and makes a much better bagel, but outside of a few places here in NY I don't know of anyone that still does that, most use steam ovens to simulate the boiling.

Great memories of my morning bagel before grade school, from the place near my house where you'd see the bagels floating in their bath before hitting the oven. The ones I get here in Brooklyn now pale in comparison, and that place in Queens has long since abandoned the practice of boiling them.

The best places still do. The place I go to in a Northern Virginia does.
RE: RE: Sun dried tomato bagel  
Canton : 5/29/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12305917 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12305903 Canton said:


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with caviar



Thank you, Nelson Rockefeller...




Warm pumpernickel bagel, sliced open, spread with créme fraiche, layered with two to three slices of Scottish smoked salmon on each side, top with sliced red onion, a slice of ripe red tomato, more créme fraiche and topped off with an ounce of the caviar. Sprinkle lemon or lime and eat open faced.”

THE BILL?

$177.00

Another good one is pork belly with shaved french black truffles



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we covered this  
NoPeanutz : 5/29/2015 12:40 pm : link
it isnt a bagel if it isnt boiled in water. it's just a roll. and if you fry it in oil, it becomes a doughnut.
The Hairy Bagel....  
Ryan : 5/29/2015 12:43 pm : link
...which is made by placing my hands around the area near my belly button and squeezing them together gently.
RE: RE: cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/29/2015 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12305914 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12305909 GMAN4LIFE said:


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cheese



Cinnamon bagel with cinnamon cream cheese? What're you, a fucking communist?



hahaha... its just what i like... nothing wrong with that
I know I'm comming to this late  
jjgmrg901 : 5/29/2015 1:56 pm : link
Salted Bagel not toasted, Shit if bagle is made correctly it should have a nice crusty outside,

Then shmear on some nice chive cream cheese, the kind from a good deli or bagel shop not the crap Philadelphia puts in their plastic containers.

Finally a few slices of nice belly lox, nova will do in a pinch but for real flavor go with the belly.

I have two heart attacks so the above is only a memory form me.
Everything Bagel toasted  
PA Giant Fan : 5/29/2015 2:20 pm : link
Lox, cream cheese, and garlic filled olives sliced.

If you want to get crazy add a little onion and banana pepper
Everything  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/29/2015 2:22 pm : link
.
everything  
chris r : 5/29/2015 2:25 pm : link
its the American Way.
RE: I know I'm comming to this late  
montanagiant : 5/29/2015 3:59 pm : link
In comment 12306187 jjgmrg901 said:
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Salted Bagel not toasted, Shit if bagle is made correctly it should have a nice crusty outside,

Then shmear on some nice chive cream cheese, the kind from a good deli or bagel shop not the crap Philadelphia puts in their plastic containers.

Finally a few slices of nice belly lox, nova will do in a pinch but for real flavor go with the belly.

I have two heart attacks so the above is only a memory form me.

LOL...you can still do the lox though right?
People who pick everything can't think for themelves  
BrettNYG10 : 5/29/2015 4:00 pm : link
And only follow the crowd.

Fucking lemmings.
English muffin  
Berrylish : 5/29/2015 4:01 pm : link
or GTFO
RE: People who pick everything can't think for themelves  
chris r : 5/29/2015 4:07 pm : link
iIn comment 12306457 BrettNYG10 said:
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And only follow the crowd.

Fucking lemmings.


I look at it more as flavor monogamy vs polygamy. I'm more of a Joseph Smith type when it comes to bagels.
RE: English muffin  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12306458 Berrylish said:
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or GTFO


Crumpets >>>> english muffins. I'm not joking about that.
RE: English muffin  
djm : 5/29/2015 4:09 pm : link
In comment 12306458 Berrylish said:
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or GTFO


I practically lived off English Muffs for a while..definitely can't go wrong. Toasted with cream cheese or butter...either works.

but let's be honest  
djm : 5/29/2015 4:10 pm : link
everyone knows these are the best...

haha...oh man  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 4:14 pm : link
I remember when we first moved to Richmond from LI when I was a kid - Lenders' bagels were all we could get. There was nowhere in Richmond that made fresh bagels.
RE: RE: People who pick everything can't think for themelves  
Deej : 5/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
In comment 12306472 chris r said:
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iIn comment 12306457 BrettNYG10 said:


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And only follow the crowd.

Fucking lemmings.



I look at it more as flavor monogamy vs polygamy. I'm more of a Joseph Smith type when it comes to bagels.


Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
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RE: Does anyone really boil bagels anymore?  
81_Great_Dane : 5/29/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12305850 jcn56 said:
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I know it's technically required and makes a much better bagel, but outside of a few places here in NY I don't know of anyone that still does that, most use steam ovens to simulate the boiling..

There are lots of places (especially grocery stores) selling unboiled round rolls with a hole in the middle and calling them bagels, but the taste and texture is different.

I doubt you will find any bagel bakery, anywhere, that doesn't boil its bagels. What's the point? There are bakeries that don't, but they're not primarily bagel bakeries. It'd be like trying to make pretzels without a lye bath (You know about lye and pretzels, right?) Any bagel with that shiny, chewy exterior has been boiled. I don't think there's another way to get that. A steam oven gives you a different kind of crust. (Think crunchy-crust artisan bread.)

I'm in Los Angeles, and all the real bagel bakeries boil their bagels here. The big question out here is whether the water quality here keeps our bagels from being as good as New York's. The water here is very hard and not nearly as good as NYC's.
Basically  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 4:28 pm : link
every "bagel place" in NYC boils their bagels.
RE: Basically  
jcn56 : 5/29/2015 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12306510 DanMetroMan said:
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every "bagel place" in NYC boils their bagels.


Dan, I think you'd be surprised to learn that quite a few of them don't. Not saying they shouldn't, or that you should consider their product bagels (or that they're anywhere near as good as a boiled bagel).
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 4:41 pm : link
know for a fact that Ess-A-Bagel, David's and Tal Bagels all boil their bagels. Black Seed bagels. Maybe some smaller places do not but the "respected" bagel places all still boil.
RE: I  
jcn56 : 5/29/2015 5:03 pm : link
In comment 12306540 DanMetroMan said:
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know for a fact that Ess-A-Bagel, David's and Tal Bagels all boil their bagels. Black Seed bagels. Maybe some smaller places do not but the "respected" bagel places all still boil.


Yup, any good, well regarded bagel place in NYC will. But just like pizzerias, sadly, we've got a very high crap::good establishment ratio.
you've got a high crap ratio?  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 5:06 pm : link
How do you think it is for us in the hinterlands?
My  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 5:06 pm : link
girlfriend used to be so confused when I would tell her "that's not a real bagel!!!", I finally have her converted lol
My favorite  
EricNY33 : 5/29/2015 5:18 pm : link
bagel is the french toast bagel from A&S Bagels in Franklin Square, LI.
Everything bagel lightly toasted with lox and philly full fat CC  
Dave in PA : 5/29/2015 5:41 pm : link
Boom
RE: RE: Does anyone really boil bagels anymore?  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/29/2015 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12306497 81_Great_Dane said:
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There are lots of places (especially grocery stores) selling unboiled round rolls with a hole in the middle and calling them bagels, but the taste and texture is different.

I doubt you will find any bagel bakery, anywhere, that doesn't boil its bagels. What's the point? There are bakeries that don't, but they're not primarily bagel bakeries. It'd be like trying to make pretzels without a lye bath (You know about lye and pretzels, right?) Any bagel with that shiny, chewy exterior has been boiled. I don't think there's another way to get that. A steam oven gives you a different kind of crust. (Think crunchy-crust artisan bread.)

I'm in Los Angeles, and all the real bagel bakeries boil their bagels here. The big question out here is whether the water quality here keeps our bagels from being as good as New York's. The water here is very hard and not nearly as good as NYC's.

Most of the big chain bagel places don't boil. It's an extra step that takes time and space that reduces profit. Typically they steam the bagels while they bake, but it's not close to the same thing,

New York water being the source of great bagels is a myth. The flavor and chew is created by letting the dough ferment overnight after you've formed the rings. Again - time and space that increases costs.
Personally.  
JayBinQueens : 5/29/2015 6:53 pm : link
Egg everything bagel toasted with lox spread cream cheese.

Though I have tried a couple of weird mixtures that were surprisingly good:

1. Tuna and cream cheese on a bagel
2. Two eggs and cream cheese on a bagel
Onion toasted dark, but not burned  
Wuphat : 5/29/2015 6:54 pm : link
With cream cheese and bacon
RE: you've got a high crap ratio?  
jcn56 : 5/29/2015 6:59 pm : link
In comment 12306582 Greg from LI said:
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How do you think it is for us in the hinterlands?


Yeah, but someone going to eat a bagel in Arlington, VA has to figure they've got a good chance at a dud. Someone doing the same on 49th and Lex is figuring they've hit the jackpot.

I was by my office one day, standing near the Seaport, when some tourists came up to me and asked where the nearest pizzeria is. That was about half a block from me, and it was an absolute dump. A step better than Elios. I asked them what they were looking for, and they said they wanted an authentic NY pizza, and had to be back to their tour bus in an hour. I guided them to the nearest decent pizzeria, but had they been left to their own devices, could have chosen from about a dozen shitty places that you'd find anywhere in the US.
Everything with Cream Cheese for me  
ChathamMark : 5/29/2015 7:28 pm : link
Also like Taylor Ham and American on a Plain.
Everything (non-toasted) w/vege cream cheese.  
drkenneth : 5/29/2015 9:58 pm : link
Boom.
RE: Bialys are under-represented in this thread  
T in NJ : 5/29/2015 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12305701 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I always considered the biały and the bagel as two different creatures, so their inclusion in this discussion is not necessary.
Almost the first meal I ate in NYC  
TJ : 5/29/2015 10:20 pm : link
Onion bagel with lox, cream cheese, red onion, and tomato. Nothing else compares. Sweet bagel or everything bagel is an abomination. Fer Crissake look what dominos has done to pizza! Why are you people encouraging industrial food to do the same thing to bagels??
RE: Almost the first meal I ate in NYC  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/29/2015 10:35 pm : link
In comment 12307116 TJ said:
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Onion bagel with lox, cream cheese, red onion, and tomato. Nothing else compares. Sweet bagel or everything bagel is an abomination. Fer Crissake look what dominos has done to pizza! Why are you people encouraging industrial food to do the same thing to bagels??

Really don't get the connection between Everything bagels and Dominos. Last I checked, the best pizza places serve pizzas with more than one topping. And did so before Dominos even existed.
RE: RE: Almost the first meal I ate in NYC  
TJ : 5/29/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12307170 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 12307116 TJ said:


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Onion bagel with lox, cream cheese, red onion, and tomato. Nothing else compares. Sweet bagel or everything bagel is an abomination. Fer Crissake look what dominos has done to pizza! Why are you people encouraging industrial food to do the same thing to bagels??


Really don't get the connection between Everything bagels and Dominos. Last I checked, the best pizza places serve pizzas with more than one topping. And did so before Dominos even existed.
It's not the fact that pizzas have more than one topping - it's the fact that dominos is not really pizza any more.
Raisin, cinnamon, whole wheat, or everything bagels are just not bagels any more.
RE: RE: RE: Almost the first meal I ate in NYC  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/29/2015 10:55 pm : link
In comment 12307194 TJ said:
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It's not the fact that pizzas have more than one topping - it's the fact that dominos is not really pizza any more.
Raisin, cinnamon, whole wheat, or everything bagels are just not bagels any more.

Again, apples and oranges. Dominos doesn't suck because of the toppings. A plain cheese pizza at Dominos sucks just as much as one with the works does. Worse probably.

Sprinkling 5 things instead of 1 on a quality bagel doesn't turn it into Dominos, any more than topping a Johns on Bleaker pizza with 5 things turns it into Dominos. Making a crappy bagel like at Panera does.
Egg Bagel  
Mike in NY : 5/30/2015 7:53 am : link
with Smoked Salmon, capers and a thin shmear of cream cheese
RE: It's an everything bagel...  
micky : 5/30/2015 9:29 am : link
In comment 12305643 Chris in Philly said:
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with jalapeno cream cheese.

I will fucking cut anyone who disagrees. Come at me, bitches...


That just sucks..now cut. Egg bagel with sardines, pickles, banana, and catsup chream cheese..is where its at!
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