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BrettNYG10 : 5/29/2015 9:34 am
And why is it cinnamon raisin?

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A lot of people  
Deej : 5/29/2015 10:37 am : link
with goyisha names from goyisha places trying to lay down bagel knowledge.

Plain, Poppy, Sesame, Onion, Salt, Garlic. Those are the options. Everything bagels are disgusting. "Everything" is not an option, it's a failure to make a decision.

Poppy bagel, Temp Tee cream cheese, Scottish smoked salmon, red onion, tomato (only if really ripe). That is the correct answer.
Lox is different from gravlax..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/29/2015 10:39 am : link
a point my Scandanavian colleague took great pains in pointing out.

Lox is brined and then can be smoked or not. Gravlax is cured salmon. It is cured with a spice/salt mixture.
lox  
Deej : 5/29/2015 10:44 am : link
three products:

1. "Lox" - salty and fatty. Not my cup of tea
2. Gravlax - salt/sugar/dill cured Scandinavian dish. Delicious, but not what goes on a bagel. Good on pumpernickel with mustard sauce.
3. Smoked salmon - self explanatory.

When you think of "lox" as the jews eat it, you're almost certainly thinking of smoked salmon. I.e. if you order a Bagel & Lox as a jewish deli, they'll bring you nova or scotish salmon, the smoked product (or confirm that you really mean salty lox).

BTW, lox prices are pretty insane. I just had the family over for mother's day brunch and a pound of lox from Sable's (UES) was $40. Cant imagine what Russ wants these days (and I dont think their appetizing is better than Zabars and Sabel's).
To add  
Deej : 5/29/2015 10:48 am : link
from the Russ & D's website page on belly lox:

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Is Belly Lox what is being referred to when people say "lox?"

Most likely, when people refer to "lox," as in "bagels and lox," they are referring to smoked salmon, typically the traditional Gaspe Nova. Belly lox is not smoked salmon; it is salmon that is cured in salt. Unlike smoked salmon, belly lox is very salty, but for those who grew up with this taste, there is no substitute.


And

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Novices beware: this is not smoked salmon.

Link - ( New Window )
Now I'm craving a bagel.  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/29/2015 10:52 am : link
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RE: Now I'm craving a bagel.  
MookGiants : 5/29/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12305746 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Same, definitely getting at least one for lunch.

And my choice will be, as it always is, a plain bagel lightly toasted with butter.
RE: side question, how does lox  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/29/2015 10:54 am : link
In comment 12305695 pjcas18 said:
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differ from smoked salmon

is it just blessed by a rabbi or something?

I always felt like I never ate lox and someone I was with in Seattle at a pub where we were discussing this said you know that smoked salmon with capers we just ate, and I said yeah, and he said you ate lox.

true or false mythbusters?


This is a good resource on the different types, from the guy who runs Russ & Daughters on the Lower East Side, perhaps the top purveyor of smoked breakfast fish in the US.
http://www.amateurgourmet.com/2008/08/the_science_of.html - ( New Window )
underrated place to get lox in NYC  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/29/2015 10:57 am : link
Fairway.
RE: RE: Now I'm craving a bagel.  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 11:01 am : link
In comment 12305748 MookGiants said:
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In comment 12305746 Mike in Long Beach said:


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Same, definitely getting at least one for lunch.

And my choice will be, as it always is, a plain bagel lightly toasted with butter.


You're a wild man...
Simple  
MookGiants : 5/29/2015 11:03 am : link
gets the job done. Certainly dont need any veggie fuckin cream cheese, douche #1. Maybe if I did like veggie cream cheese I could take the #1 spot
RE: Simple  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 11:04 am : link
In comment 12305765 MookGiants said:
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gets the job done. Certainly dont need any veggie fuckin cream cheese, douche #1. Maybe if I did like veggie cream cheese I could take the #1 spot


You'll never take my throne because you can't even read! I go jalapeno cream cheese!
For me  
Larry in Pencilvania : 5/29/2015 11:05 am : link
A sesame bagel with cream cheese whitefish salad topped with nova is awesome....that shit Cip is eating well and Cam WTF with strawberry cream cheese
Toasted onion bagel  
Taggart : 5/29/2015 11:09 am : link
With butter. Lots of butter.
RE: For me  
jcn56 : 5/29/2015 11:10 am : link
In comment 12305613 T in NJ said:
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Everything bagel with cream cheese, lox, thinly sliced tomato, onion, and capers.


This man knows how to eat. Most of the rest of you? Hang your heads in shame.
RE: A lot of people  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12305723 Deej said:
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with goyisha names from goyisha places trying to lay down bagel knowledge.


Hey man, the world stole pizza from Italians, so now we're stealing bagels from the tribe. Such is life.
RE: For me  
Cam in MO : 5/29/2015 11:14 am : link
In comment 12305772 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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A sesame bagel with cream cheese whitefish salad topped with nova is awesome....that shit Cip is eating well and Cam WTF with strawberry cream cheese


I eat strawberry cream cheese by the spoonful and there's nothing you can do to stop me!


taylor ham, or bacon, egg and cheese  
djm : 5/29/2015 11:18 am : link
on a toasted sesame bagel with salt, pepper and franks. Perfection.

jesus, whitefish salad AND nova?  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 11:18 am : link
I have to say, that's one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard of in my life. Two kinds of fish? What the fuck, are you making the Larry David sandwich?
everything bagels  
djm : 5/29/2015 11:19 am : link
are good too but they can be a little too much. Sesame is never a problem.
Onion bagel  
mgreenie03 : 5/29/2015 11:19 am : link
toasted with CC and lox or smoked salmon.
2nd choice is the everything bagel with the same.
oh  
djm : 5/29/2015 11:23 am : link
and hollow that shit out a little bit...don't need all the dough. The key to a bagel is the exterior anyway.
RE: oh  
MookGiants : 5/29/2015 11:28 am : link
In comment 12305810 djm said:
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and hollow that shit out a little bit...don't need all the dough. The key to a bagel is the exterior anyway.


So you're one of those guys, huh? The one that we have to sit behind in line while they ask for their fuckin bagel to be scooped out.
RE: taylor ham, or bacon, egg and cheese  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 11:30 am : link
In comment 12305798 djm said:
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on a toasted sesame bagel with salt, pepper and franks. Perfection.


That's a good back up for me. But gimme Texas Pete's over Franks...
Great I have a fucking redneck telling me how to eat a bagel  
Larry in Pencilvania : 5/29/2015 11:30 am : link
Next the hut burner will be here giving me advice....

Yes Greg I enjoy 2 fishes and I switch my bagel to a pumpernickel
RE: I think lox are not smoked, that's the difference  
81_Great_Dane : 5/29/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12305718 sb from NYT Forum said:
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They are salt cured. Short for gravlax I believe. It's a Scandinavian thing. I could be 100% wrong though.
Lox is from an old word for salmon, laks or lachs. According to Wikipedia, lox is brined, not smoked. Who knew?
RE: oh  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 11:31 am : link
In comment 12305810 djm said:
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and hollow that shit out a little bit...don't need all the dough. The key to a bagel is the exterior anyway.


What're ya, watching your figure? Get out of here with that noise...
Oh Cam  
Larry in Pencilvania : 5/29/2015 11:33 am : link
Do you rub the strawberry cream cheese into your skin?
RE: RE: A lot of people  
Deej : 5/29/2015 11:33 am : link
In comment 12305785 Greg from LI said:
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with goyisha names from goyisha places trying to lay down bagel knowledge.



Hey man, the world stole pizza from Italians, so now we're stealing bagels from the tribe. Such is life.


Yeah, and that's how we got Herman Cain brand pizza. So fuck you and your Pumpkin Spice Bagel.
Lox..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/29/2015 11:33 am : link
can be smoked, but doesn't have to be.

But it does have to be brined for it to be considered lox.
For those who don't already know the difference  
81_Great_Dane : 5/29/2015 11:44 am : link
between a bagel and regular roll: A bagel is boiled before it's baked. That gives you the distinctive shiny, chewy skin -- the "exterior" mentioned above. A bagel that isn't boiled isn't a bagel, by definition, no matter what shape it is in.

Bagel dough goes into a big cauldron of boiling water, puffs up, then when it comes out one side of the bagel is dredged in whatever your topping is for this batch: chopped onion, poppy seeds, chopped garlic, sesame seeds, salt, whatever... Then into the oven. Bagels puff up when they're boiled but don't rise significantly in the oven. They should really rest for a few minutes before they're sold or eaten, because the texture of the skin isn't right when they first come out of the oven.

Since the essential part of a bagel is the boiling, and the texture it imparts, I guess you can put anything in or on the dough and it's still a bagel, I just don't get the cinnamon-raisin or blueberry thing. I'd rather have a raised cinnamon roll, or a blueberry muffin, because I don't like that chewy texture with sweet flavors. But lots of people do.
Does anyone really boil bagels anymore?  
jcn56 : 5/29/2015 11:47 am : link
I know it's technically required and makes a much better bagel, but outside of a few places here in NY I don't know of anyone that still does that, most use steam ovens to simulate the boiling.

Great memories of my morning bagel before grade school, from the place near my house where you'd see the bagels floating in their bath before hitting the oven. The ones I get here in Brooklyn now pale in comparison, and that place in Queens has long since abandoned the practice of boiling them.
Bagels are also cooked in a wet oven  
Deej : 5/29/2015 11:52 am : link
often (always?) on a saturated burlap covered board.

But really, if you dont know the difference between a bagel and a roll, maybe it's time to just give up on life.
huh....I worked for a chain place (Manhattan Bagel)  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 11:52 am : link
But they boiled theirs. I can remember coming in for the opening shift at 5:30 am, and the baker would already be there with a huge kettle full of boiling bagels. He'd pull them out with a big mesh scoop on a long handle.

Granted, that was almost 20 years ago. Maybe most places don't bother anymore.
Fresh warm onion w/ cream cheese  
steve in ky : 5/29/2015 11:53 am : link
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we used to boil  
Jon : 5/29/2015 11:57 am : link
then bake our bagels.
RE: Raisins  
Model4001 : 5/29/2015 11:58 am : link
In comment 12305563 MookGiants said:
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fucking suck


THIS x 1,000,000...raisins are fucking gross, they smell sickly-sweet and terrible and they look like flies with their wings pulled off.

A truly repulsive food.
RE: A lot of people  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/29/2015 11:59 am : link
In comment 12305723 Deej said:
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Temp Tee cream cheese


Best advice in the thread.
Non-boiled bagels..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/29/2015 12:00 pm : link
are pretty easy to spot. I'm looking right at you Panera Bread......
Bagels  
Headhunter : 5/29/2015 12:04 pm : link
bigger is not better. Anthony Bourdain when asked what food does NYC do best in the world, bagels and lox
Everything bagel  
NoPeanutz : 5/29/2015 12:05 pm : link
with cinnamon-raisin cream cheese. Laugh now, but the sweet + savory/salty pairing is unmatched.
RE: To add  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/29/2015 12:08 pm : link
In comment 12305741 Deej said:
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from the Russ & D's website page on belly lox:



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Is Belly Lox what is being referred to when people say "lox?"

Most likely, when people refer to "lox," as in "bagels and lox," they are referring to smoked salmon, typically the traditional Gaspe Nova. Belly lox is not smoked salmon; it is salmon that is cured in salt. Unlike smoked salmon, belly lox is very salty, but for those who grew up with this taste, there is no substitute.



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Novices beware: this is not smoked salmon.

Link - ( New Window )


That settles it, I'm stopping at Russ and Daughters on the way home today!
Sun dried tomato bagel  
Canton : 5/29/2015 12:17 pm : link
with caviar
cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/29/2015 12:22 pm : link
cheese
RE: cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12305909 GMAN4LIFE said:
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cheese


Cinnamon bagel with cinnamon cream cheese? What're you, a fucking communist?
RE: Sun dried tomato bagel  
Chris in Philly : 5/29/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12305903 Canton said:
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with caviar


Thank you, Nelson Rockefeller...
RE: RE: cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
jcn56 : 5/29/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12305914 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12305909 GMAN4LIFE said:


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cheese



Cinnamon bagel with cinnamon cream cheese? What're you, a fucking communist?


Throw a hot dog with some ketchup on you, and you've got today's lunch special in hell.
RE: RE: cinnamon raisin bagel with regular cream cheese or cinnamon cream  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12305914 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12305909 GMAN4LIFE said:


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cheese



Cinnamon bagel with cinnamon cream cheese? What're you, a fucking communist?


I don't want no Commies in my car!.......And no Christians, either!

RE: Does anyone really boil bagels anymore?  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/29/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12305850 jcn56 said:
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I know it's technically required and makes a much better bagel, but outside of a few places here in NY I don't know of anyone that still does that, most use steam ovens to simulate the boiling.

Great memories of my morning bagel before grade school, from the place near my house where you'd see the bagels floating in their bath before hitting the oven. The ones I get here in Brooklyn now pale in comparison, and that place in Queens has long since abandoned the practice of boiling them.

The best places still do. The place I go to in a Northern Virginia does.
RE: RE: Sun dried tomato bagel  
Canton : 5/29/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12305917 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12305903 Canton said:


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with caviar



Thank you, Nelson Rockefeller...




Warm pumpernickel bagel, sliced open, spread with créme fraiche, layered with two to three slices of Scottish smoked salmon on each side, top with sliced red onion, a slice of ripe red tomato, more créme fraiche and topped off with an ounce of the caviar. Sprinkle lemon or lime and eat open faced.”

THE BILL?

$177.00

Another good one is pork belly with shaved french black truffles



Only in NY - ( New Window )
we covered this  
NoPeanutz : 5/29/2015 12:40 pm : link
it isnt a bagel if it isnt boiled in water. it's just a roll. and if you fry it in oil, it becomes a doughnut.
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