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DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:29 pm
- Not Knicks related but Vecsey claims Thibs is so sure that Davis will leave NO that he doesn't want the job. As many of you know I know Peter personally and even I find this story to be pretty ridiculous if true.

-Winslow and the Knicks? http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62139/how-does-justise-winslow-fit-with-the-knicks

"Given those poor numbers, it’s not hard to see why the Knicks, according to ESPN’s Chad Ford, are “big fans” of Winslow’s."

- Mudiay and the Knicks? http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62117/how-can-mudiay-help-the-knicks
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absolutely amazing  
MookGiants : 5/29/2015 12:31 pm : link
that after that shit fucking season the Knicks had that Winslow and WCS are actually options for the Knicks.

Ugh.
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:31 pm : link
"I shouldn’t have said that that was my fault for saying that because it’s not the truth," Dudley told hosts Alan Hahn and Rick DiPietro. "... I apologize for saying that about Carmelo.

"You get kind of frustrated at times seeing because of him having to make his other guys better and defensively certain things, but for me to say he's the most overrated that was wrong for me to say. He’s arguably a top 3 or 4 scorer, between him (Kevin Durant) and (Russell Westbrook). But if you see, that’s not enough in this league. If your a No. 1 guy and you’re a max guy, this is a superstar league, you have to be able to do certain things."

One of the things Anthony needs to do, according to Dudley, is to elevate the play of his teammates.

"He’s got to make guys like Tim Hardaway Jr. better … for them to get to the next level," Dudley said.
Please  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:33 pm : link
take Mudiay (or Russell, whom I don't love but I like) over some silly "could work in the triangle" move. There are MULTIPLE "defense first" options via FA who can realistically give you most of what WCS can.
I will vomit  
MookGiants : 5/29/2015 12:34 pm : link
if we don't get one of Mudiay, Russell, Okafor.
you know, the Knicks have put me through a whole lot of misery  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 12:35 pm : link
But if they take a piece of garbage like Winslow, that's where I finally throw up my hands and say "Enough!"
RE: I will vomit  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12305941 MookGiants said:
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if we don't get one of Mudiay, Russell, Okafor.


Mook I'm pretty much with you (though more open to swapping picks to get an asset depending on the player) than you are. But yeah, if we get silly and pass on one of them for a WCS I'll be really bummed.
nice back peddling by Dudley, lol....  
Italianju : 5/29/2015 12:36 pm : link
That thibs/davis thing sounds absurd. Would Davis really be willing to pull a Monroe to get to UFA faster? Otherwise he would be in NO for like the next what 5 seasons? I guess if he doesnt like it there it wouldnt be crazy to do what Monroe did, but its just so uncommon. We know guys like Love and Irving (pre lebron) wanted out bad and they still signed the contract after their rookie deal.
Mudiay  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:37 pm : link
is a plus athlete with plus size with great marks character wise. People are acting like he needs to become a deadeye shooter to be a HUGE piece for us. Ron Harper was a key piece of the Bulls and Baron Davis wasn't much of a shooter (Mudiay reminds me of him) and Baron Davis in his prime would be an AWESOME addition.
I don't understand the quote from Ford  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 12:38 pm : link
what is he talking about?
RE: nice back peddling by Dudley, lol....  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12305948 Italianju said:
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That thibs/davis thing sounds absurd. Would Davis really be willing to pull a Monroe to get to UFA faster? Otherwise he would be in NO for like the next what 5 seasons? I guess if he doesnt like it there it wouldnt be crazy to do what Monroe did, but its just so uncommon. We know guys like Love and Irving (pre lebron) wanted out bad and they still signed the contract after their rookie deal.


And if you are Thibs don't you believe in yourself enough to go there and win big so that Davis wants to stay? I mean Davis anchoring a Thibs defense, you could see something special and quick.
RE: I don't understand the quote from Ford  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12305953 Enzo said:
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what is he talking about?


Enzo,
That's my fault I should have included this

"The Knicks, of course, need all the help they can get on defense and on the boards. They finished 28th in defensive efficiency and 28th in rebound rate, which measures the percentage of missed shots a team rebounds."
RE: nice back peddling by Dudley, lol....  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12305948 Italianju said:
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That thibs/davis thing sounds absurd. Would Davis really be willing to pull a Monroe to get to UFA faster? Otherwise he would be in NO for like the next what 5 seasons? I guess if he doesnt like it there it wouldnt be crazy to do what Monroe did, but its just so uncommon. We know guys like Love and Irving (pre lebron) wanted out bad and they still signed the contract after their rookie deal.

and even with Monroe, it's not like Detroit was even offering him the max, were they?
RE: RE: I don't understand the quote from Ford  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 12:40 pm : link
In comment 12305957 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12305953 Enzo said:


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what is he talking about?



Enzo,
That's my fault I should have included this

"The Knicks, of course, need all the help they can get on defense and on the boards. They finished 28th in defensive efficiency and 28th in rebound rate, which measures the percentage of missed shots a team rebounds."

thanks.
IMO  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 12:42 pm : link
the only way Davis sniffs free agency any time soon is if the CBA blows up in two years.
Two things  
Semipro Lineman : 5/29/2015 12:42 pm : link
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"He’s got to make guys like Tim Hardaway Jr. better … for them to get to the next level," Dudley said.


So two years ago where he made prigs, shumpert, felton, novak, Copeland along with washed up versions of Kidd, Wallaces, Camby into a near conference finalists doesn't count.

Second, isn't it Tim's job to make Tim better? I mean yeah playing along side a superstar makes stuff easier for you but you still got to produce out there
The thing about Anthony Davis  
Old Dirty Beckham : 5/29/2015 12:42 pm : link
makes no sense. He hasn't even become a restricted free agent yet. He's going to be in New Orleans for at least 5 more years.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:45 pm : link
really knowledgable in regard to college basketball recruiting but how exactly is Mercer college listed in the mix for #5 player in the 2016 recruiting class? (Kobi Simmons). Last few days I've been reading all about Maker, Jackson, Woods and Tatum the "next big things".
Fairly close to home, I guess  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 12:52 pm : link
Simmons is from Atlanta and Mercer is in Macon.
Davis  
MookGiants : 5/29/2015 12:54 pm : link
will be an UFA after the 2016/2017 season.

And we all know he's going to the Bulls
Butler, Niko, Snell  
dep026 : 5/29/2015 12:54 pm : link
and first rounders for the rest of the decade for Davis.

Make it happen!!!
RE: Davis  
dep026 : 5/29/2015 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12305990 MookGiants said:
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will be an UFA after the 2016/2017 season.

And we all know he's going to the Bulls


Oh I like this better.
Mook  
Old Dirty Beckham : 5/29/2015 12:55 pm : link
Wouldn't he have to turn down a five year 80 plus million extension similar to greg Monroe situation?
RE: Mook  
dep026 : 5/29/2015 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12305995 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Wouldn't he have to turn down a five year 80 plus million extension similar to greg Monroe situation?


Sign and trade. Bring him home! Maybe even bring in the geriatric Wade, who wants out of Miami. Then trade for Parker. And it will be a chicago reunion.
RE: Fairly close to home, I guess  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12305986 Greg from LI said:
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Simmons is from Atlanta and Mercer is in Macon.


Quite a coup for a small school like that if they somehow got such a huge recruit
Mercer  
MookGiants : 5/29/2015 12:59 pm : link
isn't going to get Simmons, they are "in the mix" but not really "in the mix". Like Jayson Tatum put St. Louis on his list, and Caleb Swanigan put some real small school in his top 5, they just do it as a favor to the local program
it'll never happen  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 1:02 pm : link
Once upon a time, Alonzo Mourning took recruiting visits to Richmond. Sometimes kids just like to toy with the idea of going to a small local school. He's most likely going to Kentucky.
RE: Mercer  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12306009 MookGiants said:
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isn't going to get Simmons, they are "in the mix" but not really "in the mix". Like Jayson Tatum put St. Louis on his list, and Caleb Swanigan put some real small school in his top 5, they just do it as a favor to the local program


Thanks Mook. I was just scrolling through some of these names and Mercer really stood out.
all-star caliber players  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 1:03 pm : link
basically never reach unrestricted free agency before signing two contracts.
ESPN  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 1:04 pm : link
Why would Tyson Chandler, who departed from Dallas due to the cold business of basketball once before, wait patiently for the Mavericks' pursuit for his potential replacement to play out?

Perhaps the Mavs can make Chandler a promise: They’ll eventually sign him to a market-value deal, whether it’s with the intention to keep him in Dallas or send him to a contender.

That contender would be the Los Angeles Clippers. Of course, the Clippers would prefer to keep DeAndre Jordan, the third-team All-NBA big man who ranks right up there with perennial All-Star power forward LaMarcus Aldridge as the Mavs’ top targets in free agency. However, Jordan intends to consider all of his options and has privately made it clear that he’s highly intrigued by the possibility of coming to Dallas as a featured attraction for the Mavs.

A sign-and-trade swap of the centers, which has been mentioned in Mavs front-office offseason brainstorming sessions, would make a lot of sense for all of the involved parties.
Let's not overthink this  
Anakim : 5/29/2015 1:05 pm : link
Draft one of the Big 4. If Phil isn't enthralled with any of them, trade down, but let's not reach for WCS or Winslow. Winslow wouldn't be much of a reach as WCS, but I think he could be had at 6 or 7.
Yeah, Winslow makes sense as a later pick  
BeerFridge : 5/29/2015 1:06 pm : link
but not at 4.
RE: ESPN  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12306020 DanMetroMan said:
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Why would Tyson Chandler, who departed from Dallas due to the cold business of basketball once before, wait patiently for the Mavericks' pursuit for his potential replacement to play out?

Perhaps the Mavs can make Chandler a promise: They’ll eventually sign him to a market-value deal, whether it’s with the intention to keep him in Dallas or send him to a contender.

That contender would be the Los Angeles Clippers. Of course, the Clippers would prefer to keep DeAndre Jordan, the third-team All-NBA big man who ranks right up there with perennial All-Star power forward LaMarcus Aldridge as the Mavs’ top targets in free agency. However, Jordan intends to consider all of his options and has privately made it clear that he’s highly intrigued by the possibility of coming to Dallas as a featured attraction for the Mavs.

A sign-and-trade swap of the centers, which has been mentioned in Mavs front-office offseason brainstorming sessions, would make a lot of sense for all of the involved parties.

you would think Jordan could get 5 years on the open market. He can only get 4 in a sign-and-trade. Chandler and Chris Paul are old buddies so it makes some sense on that level, but the Clippers would probably have to do some maneuvering with the cap/apron to pull it off.
Wonderful  
Anakim : 5/29/2015 1:15 pm : link
So if we kept Tyson Chandler, aside from all of the negative things about that trade, we would've been able to possibly get DeAndre Jordan too in a S+T. Lovely. Grand.
how good a pro Winslow turns out to be depends on if he can  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 1:16 pm : link
play the 2 in the NBA, which is unknown. He mostly played 3 or 4 at Duke. Won't be able to play 4 at all in the NBA, and is probably too small to be a quality 3. He has some range to his shot, but if you watched much of him you'd notice that he doesn't really hit much off screens or off the dribble. Most of his makes are when he's set, and he won't get those opportunities all the time like he did at Duke.
There is very little risk to Davis in testing the market  
Deej : 5/29/2015 1:25 pm : link
Broken-back Dwight got maxed out. Davis would have to lose a leg to not get a max deal. And you actually make more going year to year I think. So it's not crazy to think that he will not resign there.

Thon Maker to Indiana  
giantsfan44ab : 5/29/2015 1:26 pm : link
C'mon just announce it already!
RE: There is very little risk to Davis in testing the market  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 1:30 pm : link
In comment 12306081 Deej said:
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Broken-back Dwight got maxed out. Davis would have to lose a leg to not get a max deal. And you actually make more going year to year I think. So it's not crazy to think that he will not resign there.

the risk is that he can sign the max extension two years before he can potentially enter unrestricted free agency. That's why these guys never leave until after the second deal.
RE: RE: ESPN  
Enzo : 5/29/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12306033 Enzo said:
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In comment 12306020 DanMetroMan said:


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Why would Tyson Chandler, who departed from Dallas due to the cold business of basketball once before, wait patiently for the Mavericks' pursuit for his potential replacement to play out?

Perhaps the Mavs can make Chandler a promise: They’ll eventually sign him to a market-value deal, whether it’s with the intention to keep him in Dallas or send him to a contender.

That contender would be the Los Angeles Clippers. Of course, the Clippers would prefer to keep DeAndre Jordan, the third-team All-NBA big man who ranks right up there with perennial All-Star power forward LaMarcus Aldridge as the Mavs’ top targets in free agency. However, Jordan intends to consider all of his options and has privately made it clear that he’s highly intrigued by the possibility of coming to Dallas as a featured attraction for the Mavs.

A sign-and-trade swap of the centers, which has been mentioned in Mavs front-office offseason brainstorming sessions, would make a lot of sense for all of the involved parties.


you would think Jordan could get 5 years on the open market. He can only get 4 in a sign-and-trade. Chandler and Chris Paul are old buddies so it makes some sense on that level, but the Clippers would probably have to do some maneuvering with the cap/apron to pull it off.

correcting my post - he can only get 5 years from LA. Everyone else can only offer 4 whether it's sign-and-trade or a straight signing.
Winslow is a come off the bench player imo  
#10* : 5/29/2015 1:38 pm : link
He didn't really even start to hit his stride until the tourny where it became a toss up imo of mvp between him and Tyus.

WCS is basically a young DeAndre Jordan. The difference between selection spots in the draft imo is who will start. I believe Willy will start because of his defense from day 1. He won't be asked to score. That's all bonus with him. But if he's near the rim watch out.

I get why there's no love for Winslow at 4  
Pep22 : 5/29/2015 1:39 pm : link
b/c he's not a PG or C, two premium positions. But I do think he will be a great player, perhaps the best player in the draft. I think he will be a tremendous wing defender. In addition, though he's still somewhat raw, I see some (young) Dwayne Wade in the way he attacks the rim especially in transition.
RE: Thon Maker to Indiana  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12306085 giantsfan44ab said:
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C'mon just announce it already!


Why on earth would he choose to go play in that mess? Crean sucks and the fans are begging for him to be fired.
Wade? Um, no  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 1:42 pm : link
He reminds me much more of his fellow Dookie Corey Maggette than Dwyane Wade. Cmon now.
Magette  
Pep22 : 5/29/2015 1:47 pm : link
was a prima donna and never played with the pace that Wade or Winslow played at. As a freshman, when defending or with the ball in transition, Winslow was a man among boys. At 6'6 227 and elite athletic ability, I don't see why the comp tho lofty isn't accurate.
Winslow  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/29/2015 1:52 pm : link
was maybe the best player I saw in the tourney. His games against SDSU and Utah were nothing short of jawdropping.

He's still raw offensively. I don't know how much I truly trust his shot. The .486 FG% and .418 3P% show potential, but the .641 FT% also shows that his shot has a long way to go.

But I would bet on this guy to become a real player in the NBA. He reminds me so much of Jimmy Butler.
Knicks  
Csonka : 5/29/2015 2:36 pm : link
I haven't decided for sure who I want, but Winslow is definitely in the discussion.

I don't know how, without seeing workouts, anyone can say Mudiay is clearly the guy based on 10 games in China and some footage from HS games.
RE: RE: Thon Maker to Indiana  
giantsfan44ab : 5/29/2015 3:02 pm : link
In comment 12306133 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12306085 giantsfan44ab said:


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C'mon just announce it already!



Why on earth would he choose to go play in that mess? Crean sucks and the fans are begging for him to be fired.


Not a big fan of Crean I will admit, but he already cut his list to between IU and UK. Obviously Cal is a huge plus there, but then again, they lost 9 players to the NBA. Uk may not even be the best SEC team with the guys LSU landed.

IU desperately needed a center, as we were starting a SF at the 5, and we got one of the top center recruits in Thomas Bryant. We have 3 future NBA players at the 1,2, and 3, and an opening at the 4, which is where Thon could play. Plus, Robert Johnson, who could potentially be a 2nd round pick in a few years, will be coming off the bench.

This year the Big 10 is as shallow as I can remember in years. Wisco is losing Dekker and Frank, MSU is losing Dawson, Castello, Trice and Valentine, UMich doesn't have any stars even though they will get Lavert back, and OSU is losing D'Angelo Russell and he literally carried them on his back.

Aside from Maryland, the Big 10 is wide open. There is no lock Maker would even start on UK as they are getting Poythress and Lee back and got 2 other 5 star recruits. That could hurt his draft stock.
RE: Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12306291 Csonka said:
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I haven't decided for sure who I want, but Winslow is definitely in the discussion.

I don't know how, without seeing workouts, anyone can say Mudiay is clearly the guy based on 10 games in China and some footage from HS games.


So throw out everything scouts and those who HAVE seen him are saying? Last I checked MOST of the best players over the last 2 decades of the NBA have come from the HS ranks, they somehow were "scouted".
I'm not sure why anyone's freaking about about the Knicks drafting  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/29/2015 3:32 pm : link
Cauley-Stein.

Are we at the point where we just believe everything we read when it's reported as rumor?
Hammer  
Pep22 : 5/29/2015 3:33 pm : link
Its bc everything that could go wrong has gone wrong for as long as we can remember. Its easy to get to a freak out point.
Kobe  
DanMetroMan : 5/29/2015 3:37 pm : link
Tyson Chandler, Amar'e, Lebron, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Jermaine O'Neil, Tmac, Josh Smith, JR Smith, KG and Kyrie Irving... somehow scouts saw enough of these guys despite not playing in college to deem them stud prospects right?
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