- Not Knicks related but Vecsey claims Thibs is so sure that Davis will leave NO that he doesn't want the job. As many of you know I know Peter personally and even I find this story to be pretty ridiculous if true.
-Winslow and the Knicks? http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62139/how-does-justise-winslow-fit-with-the-knicks
"Given those poor numbers, it’s not hard to see why the Knicks, according to ESPN’s Chad Ford, are “big fans” of Winslow’s."
- Mudiay and the Knicks? http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62117/how-can-mudiay-help-the-knicks
Kyrie played in college. Not much, but he did play.
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Tyson Chandler, Amar'e, Lebron, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Jermaine O'Neil, Tmac, Josh Smith, JR Smith, KG and Kyrie Irving... somehow scouts saw enough of these guys despite not playing in college to deem them stud prospects right?
Kyrie played in college. Not much, but he did play.
Lol c'mon Eric. Those 10 games he played in college vs. the 10 Mudiay played in China really is a game changer?
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Tyson Chandler, Amar'e, Lebron, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, Jermaine O'Neil, Tmac, Josh Smith, JR Smith, KG and Kyrie Irving... somehow scouts saw enough of these guys despite not playing in college to deem them stud prospects right?
Kyrie played in college. Not much, but he did play.
Lol c'mon Eric. Those 10 games he played in college vs. the 10 Mudiay played in China really is a game changer?
Duke is closer than Beijing. LOL
Jordan classic, McDonald's all-american game, Nike Hoop Summit, Lebron Skills academy. This isn't some alien. The scouts have seen him quite a bit.
Winslow has been getting a lot of love the last 3-4 months. There's a reason...he's got a high NBA ceiling. If the Knicks agree with this take and don't completely love Mudiay or Russell they should take Winslow.
May want to wait a few months before killing or praising the pick anyway. I'm gonna just let the chips fall and hope like hell they turn this draft pick into gold. They have to.
Take the BPA. Don't take someone for all the wrong reasons--like Stein for example. If they take him they better believe that he's gonna be a beast at center.
Take the BPA. Don't take someone for all the wrong reasons--like Stein for example. If they take him they better believe that he's gonna be a beast at center.
My point is this idea that people can't "like" a prospect because he didn't play here is silly. Chad Ford says the Knicks are high on Mudiay, Fran Frascila is high on Mudiay. If Adam Silver announced at mid-season "HS players will be allowed in this draft" people would suddenly be "allowed" to like Mudiay?
As for Winslow/WCS... I'll be sick if WCS is the pick for the simple fact his upside is insanely limited and guys with similar skillsets are going to be available via FA. Winslow over Mudiay, I could "accept". I also don't want a pick based on triangle fit or "how close" the guy is. WCS is so insanely overrated by some. If he were an elite level rebounder I could accept it but he's not.
But WCS is going to be an absolute animal in the NBA. His D is the safest asset in this entire draft by a mile. Okafor's O has way more bust potential than WCS's D.
And WCS's offense is going to be better in the NBA where he'll be able to play with talented offensive guards and have more space to play with. He is going to be a strong PnR player like Chandler, and that alone will give him offensive value.
WCS might be the best player in the draft imo. You guys are seriously underrating how well his game projects to the NBA and how truly amazing of a defensive prospect he is.
But WCS is going to be an absolute animal in the NBA. His D is the safest asset in this entire draft by a mile. Okafor's O has way more bust potential than WCS's D.
And WCS's offense is going to be better in the NBA where he'll be able to play with talented offensive guards and have more space to play with. He is going to be a strong PnR player like Chandler, and that alone will give him offensive value.
WCS might be the best player in the draft imo. You guys are seriously underrating how well his game projects to the NBA and how truly amazing of a defensive prospect he is.
His rebounding is nothing special and his offensive upside is nil. The Knicks could add a Mudiay + a Robin Lopez or Asik... and be FAR better off than a rare premium pick on a guy like this. Heck, Biyombo averaged 5 and 6 with 1.5 blocks in 19.5 minutes in his age 22 season and all he will cost is money. 25 or so minutes per game he's likely giving you the same 8 and 8 that WCS can + the Knicks can take a high upside guy at 4. Robin Lopez 10 and 7 with 1.4 blocks AND he's a high effort guy. Are you telling me WCS upside is far greater than Lopez? I don't see it AT ALL.
But WCS is going to be an absolute animal in the NBA. His D is the safest asset in this entire draft by a mile. Okafor's O has way more bust potential than WCS's D.
And WCS's offense is going to be better in the NBA where he'll be able to play with talented offensive guards and have more space to play with. He is going to be a strong PnR player like Chandler, and that alone will give him offensive value.
WCS might be the best player in the draft imo. You guys are seriously underrating how well his game projects to the NBA and how truly amazing of a defensive prospect he is.
Yeah I agree with how good his defense will be. Its just that there is literally no way we could get an above average PG in the next few years. I dont wanna be stuck with Galloway, Calderon or Shved at PG (though I like what Shved brings and I think he can do some nice things at his size).
If Mudiay or Russell are taken, I couldn't argue if we went Winslow, WCS, or Okafor.
We are all at the point where we are splitting hairs on these guys, like saying "does WCS really like playing basketball" and "I dont know if Winslow could play the 2". Like if WCS was only in it for the money he could have gone just as high last year, got his check and mope about it instead of going hard on defense each and every night. As for Winslow, we are in an era where positions are arbitrary and don't mean as much anymore. Yes, you need a point to run the offense and yes, you need a big who can man the middle on defense. But as long as you can can guard wings, hit an open shot, or provide some other asset on offense you can play the 2-4 with the right players around you.
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why trade Chandler just to draft WCS whose most common comparison is Chandler himself.
But WCS is going to be an absolute animal in the NBA. His D is the safest asset in this entire draft by a mile. Okafor's O has way more bust potential than WCS's D.
And WCS's offense is going to be better in the NBA where he'll be able to play with talented offensive guards and have more space to play with. He is going to be a strong PnR player like Chandler, and that alone will give him offensive value.
WCS might be the best player in the draft imo. You guys are seriously underrating how well his game projects to the NBA and how truly amazing of a defensive prospect he is.
His rebounding is nothing special and his offensive upside is nil. The Knicks could add a Mudiay + a Robin Lopez or Asik... and be FAR better off than a rare premium pick on a guy like this. Heck, Biyombo averaged 5 and 6 with 1.5 blocks in 19.5 minutes in his age 22 season and all he will cost is money. 25 or so minutes per game he's likely giving you the same 8 and 8 that WCS can + the Knicks can take a high upside guy at 4. Robin Lopez 10 and 7 with 1.4 blocks AND he's a high effort guy. Are you telling me WCS upside is far greater than Lopez? I don't see it AT ALL.
Well thats why you aren't an NBA scout. Larry Bird called him the "$100 million man". I'll take his word against what you see in him any day.
That said you do make a great point. I don't really know how likely it is we can land Lopez or Asik, but there are a few other guys out there like Koufos and Ajinca that are more up for grabs.
I forgot about Biyombo. I can't see Charlotte not matching an offer for him though. Al Jefferson will be 31. But I would rather take Biyombo and draft Okafor or Mudiay then go for WCS.
No I completely agree with you. When you brought up Biyombo that intrigued me because WCS is around the same age and the same type of ceiling as Biyombo. We'd have to over pay him to make Charlotte uncomfortable about re-signing him. I wouldn't mind giving the rest of our cap space to Biyombo if we give Monroe the max and get Mudiay.
Theres a good chance Charlotte is forced to take a big if hezonja, Johnson, and Winslow are all off the board. They'd be reaching if they took Dekker so I could easily see them having to choose between Turner, Kaminsky and Lyles. If that is the case Biyombo can be a realistic option.
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Fouls are something that drastically decrease as players develop. He averaged 4.1 fouls per 36. Mozgov as a reference averaged 4.0 per 36. Its not ideal but I don't think its a red flag by any means, especially since he is 23.
He was becoming an elite center in the league and just walked away. Props to him. He doesn't need the money to be happy.
He moved here when he was 5. I'm sure they've had to cross paths somewhere along the line though.
If we get Mudiay hopefully that intrigues Biyombo lol.
It's a small fraternity, I'm sure.
Wrong. Tyson Chandler is an extremely limited offensive player, but his PnR skills make him a valuable offensive player.
Did you forget a couple of years ago where Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton were great in the PnR and one of the keys to an elite Knicks offense? A big who can screen, move, and finish like Tyson Chandler forces the defense to be sucked in and opens up so much space for the rest of his teammates.
Calling Tyson Chandler a horrendous offensive player is just wrong. And WCS has the same kind of potential on offense, he should thrive with a strong PG.
I don't agree with you at all about WCS. If I'm the Knicks I'd take one of the top 4 guys over WCS, but I think WCS is going to be great in the NBA. I don't get how anyone can view WCS as a guy with a low ceiling. A better Tyson Chandler is a great player.
This is a rare talent, if only people gave a shit about D as much as they do Offense they'd understand what a force this guy is.