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NFT: Bill Clinton shook down a charity for a half-million dollars

Greg from LI : 5/29/2015 5:02 pm
From the NYT:

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The former president of the United States agreed to accept a lifetime achievement award at the June 2014 event after Ms. Nemcova offered a $500,000 contribution to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation. The donation, made late last year after the foundation sent the charity an invoice, amounted to almost a quarter of the evening’s net proceeds — enough to build 10 preschools in Indonesia.....

"This is primarily a small but telling example of the way the Clintons operate,” said Doug White, who directs the master’s program in fund-raising management at Columbia University. “The model has responsibility; she paid a high price for a feel-good moment with Bill Clinton. But he was riding the back of this small charity for what? A half-million bucks? I find it — what would be the word? — distasteful.” ......

Further, it is extremely rare for honorees, or their foundations, to be paid from a gala’s proceeds, charity experts said — as it is for the proceeds to be diverted to a different cause......

In the charity gala world, it is considered unacceptable to spend more than a third of gross proceeds on costs, and better to spend considerably less. If the donation to the Clinton Foundation were counted as a cost, Happy Hearts would have spent 34 percent of its announced $2.5 million in proceeds on its gala.

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Why should we hand over foreign policy to a party  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 8:56 am : link
That got us involved in the biggest foreign policy debacle in recent memory?

I will never-NEVER-give the time of day to people who are advised by Wolfowitz, Bremer, Bolton, & the like.
RE: Why should we hand over foreign policy to a party  
Dunedin81 : 5/30/2015 9:04 am : link
In comment 12307703 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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That got us involved in the biggest foreign policy debacle in recent memory?

I will never-NEVER-give the time of day to people who are advised by Wolfowitz, Bremer, Bolton, & the like.


Would you actually pretend the last six plus years have seen effective foreign policy? Some of the decisions were inevitable, some understandable, but on the aggregate it looks like an utter clusterfuck.
There seems to be this willful arrogance or ignorance  
idiotsavant : 5/30/2015 9:04 am : link
on both side where people try to equivocate crass graft

(terrible, but what the fuck can you do, it's the nature of the beast, hope for enforcement and vote them all out of office, both sides)

and things that are fundamentals to our freedoms and way of life

(using the State, its Power in the IRS to intimidate political groups on any and all sides..

....or, getting suckered into ill advised invasions, if that's your' point of view)

and, no, they are not of the same order at all.

We need to know IF the Foundation was used as a political slush fund,

IF there were any squid pro-quos...which WOULD HAVE BEEN in the simple graft category....

IF they had not used the IRS to investigate the OTHER sides political groups,

which now makes that a fundamental, since they would be using the power of the State in such a way as is fundamentally out of bounds in a way the simple graft is not, and in a way the changed outcomes and was unavailable to the other side apparently.

Fundamental. As in Constitutional. As in Why we are Americans and What they fight for. As in, all bets are off. Rigging the process. One side seems to have internalized whatever critques of the 'other side' so deeply that they just don't care.



umm  
giantfan2000 : 5/30/2015 9:11 am : link
can you explain this statement in detail?

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Since you brought it up, the mess that is Libya is 100% of Clinton and Obama. That was their thing from the beginning and it was botched badly.


what about Libya was botched?

Libya had a civil war which brought down a dictator in which US along with 27 other countries provided a navy blockade and sorties to help rebels hasten the ouster of Kadaffi.

This has morphed into a 4 sided Civil War in LIbya.

I am unsure what different action US could have taken to make this outcome different except an Iraq style invasion of the country.




Last six years has been a helluva lot better than the previous eight  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:12 am : link
& he spent a lot of time trying to piece back together what 43 totally f'ed up in the Middle East.

For the HRC haters:
1) She was the first woman to give the commencement speech at Wellesley. In that speech, she tweaked then MA Senator Edward Brooks. She was subsequently covered in Life Magazine, a pretty popular magazine back in the 1960s. So she was a national figure.
2) She got into Yale. On her own! Not as Bill's wife! buford, did you get into Yale? Did I? I heard it's a pretty good school.
3) Her getting fired from the Watergate committee is a nice story in the right wing media bubble. But it's never been verified, much like a lot of HRC stories.

RE: RE: This idea that HRC is only where she is  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:15 am : link
In comment 12307687 buford said:
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Because she's a Clinton and a woman is incredibly insulting. She's smart as a tack and was already a national figure before she met Bill.



When was she a national figure? When she was fired from the Watergate Investigation team? She has no accomplishments. Even in the posts she has had she has not shown any major accomplishment that would tag her as a candidate. It's all manipulation.

As a woman, I am insulted that she is promoted as a model for the modern woman. She is a throwback to the old way women got power, by marrying it. It disgusts me the way the media vilifies women who have made it on their own, but props up Hilary who has not. She is no role model.


You honestly make HRC look like Fredo, some bumbling idiot who couldn't put two sentences together. She's a helluva lot smarter than you or I. And even if she hadn't married Bill, I think she would have done very, very well for herself.

But you like Carly Fiorina, who was one of the worst CEOs of all time & has literally no record whatsoever that matches Hillary's.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:18 am : link
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I'm still not a big HRC fan, but I will support her because I agree with her on most every issue.

And the alternative, be it Rubio (Dude is taking fear mongering to new heights), Bush (Because his brother was such a raging success... Jeb 2016!), Walker (Can't even say Obama is a Christian), is just way too scary.

The only semi-decent one is Paul, though even some of his ideas don't jive with my thinking.



I'm glad you are on top of the important issues there....



Like Benghazi?



Since you brought it up, the mess that is Libya is 100% of Clinton and Obama. That was their thing from the beginning and it was botched badly.

So again, what did HRC accomplish as Secretary of State that makes you want to turn over the entire foreign policy of the US to her?


Name me accomplishments of Condi Rice. Name me accomplishments of Colin Powell. Name me accomplishments of Madeline Albright. Name me accomplishments of Christopher Warren.
The way emotional investment  
Moondawg : 5/30/2015 9:19 am : link
plays into this is kind of remarkable.

"Haters"? really?

I am not a republican and could sit down and watch Fox. Not a democrat either.

Hillary repulses me. What has she accomplished politically? Being the first woman to speak somewhere or going to Yale are entirely meaningless as qualifications for president.

San Fran, from my perspective, part of the problem is that you treat this stuff like competing teams. "We will win and embarrass those guys." It's fine with something harmless like the Giants vs. Eagles, but with politics, it seems wrong.

How can you be objective with that kind of emotional investment?


"could not sit down. . ."  
Moondawg : 5/30/2015 9:19 am : link
it should say.
I don't pretend to be objective. I'm a Democrat. I agree with  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:24 am : link
the party's positions. If HRC is the Democratic nominee, I'm going to vote for her because...she's a Democrat!

& I'm sick of people acting like she's done absolutely nothing in her life. She's a helluva lot more qualified to be president than any Republican running. I'll take her track record over Rubio, Bush, Walker, Paul, Cruz, Carson, Fiorina, & the 7,000 other Republicans currently running.
RE: apparently  
Deej : 5/30/2015 9:26 am : link
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apparently you're very stupid. That chart says 10% went to OTHER charities. Many/most charities do their charitable work in-house (including the charities I've been most involved in). So they have high spend on shit like rent, salaries etc.

It's sad how much people will lie about the Clintons.
& as I've said multiple times in this thread & others  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:26 am : link
I'm not even a huge HRC fan. I think she clumsily handled the email mess & should have steered clear of The Clinton Foundation.

But I agree with her on the issues, she's going probably be the party's nominee, & I'm tired of listening to people piss all over her, mostly just trumping up discredited reports or absurd rumors.
Instead of questioning why people support who they do  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 9:27 am : link
which is lazy, make your case who you think we are missing the boat on? I know the party of No thinks that will win, but rather do nothing, tell us something
RE: I don't pretend to be objective. I'm a Democrat. I agree with  
Moondawg : 5/30/2015 9:27 am : link
In comment 12307724 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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the party's positions. If HRC is the Democratic nominee, I'm going to vote for her because...she's a Democrat!

& I'm sick of people acting like she's done absolutely nothing in her life. She's a helluva lot more qualified to be president than any Republican running. I'll take her track record over Rubio, Bush, Walker, Paul, Cruz, Carson, Fiorina, & the 7,000 other Republicans currently running.


It seems to me that this leads to fanaticism and lack of judgement.

"I am a Giants fan. So Eli is the best quarterback ever."

If that is someone's reasoning--self conscious reasoning, especially--he isn't worthy of rational engagement. A number of things you've said are factually weak (not all of them), but why point if out if truth isn't what you are after.
RE: Last six years has been a helluva lot better than the previous eight  
Dunedin81 : 5/30/2015 9:28 am : link
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& he spent a lot of time trying to piece back together what 43 totally f'ed up in the Middle East.



You're a delusional fanboy if you think the landscape is better now than it was six years ago. We can disagree as to the why, but there is not an ally in the region in less peril, or an adversary in greater peril, than was the case in January 2009. A millenarian cult controls a state-sized swath of territory and is committing some of the worst human rights violations in recorded history. To support his legacy in the Middle East is blind, delusional homerism.
RE: This idea that HRC is only where she is  
Sarcastic Sam : 5/30/2015 9:33 am : link
In comment 12307681 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Because she's a Clinton and a woman is incredibly insulting. She's smart as a tack and was already a national figure before she met Bill.


I totally agree.. She's as smart as a tack. And so are you!

HILLARY SANFRANLAWYERFAN 2016
Oh no our allies are in peril  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 9:33 am : link
In the Mid East outside of Israel, who are these allies you moan about?
I think Obama should have left a small number of troops in Iraq  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:34 am : link
But I place a majority of the blame on the Iraqi government, which was completely inept. And I blame the rise of ISIS on the fact we went into Iraq in the first place, one of the most illogical decisions any president has ever made.
RE: RE: I don't pretend to be objective. I'm a Democrat. I agree with  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:37 am : link
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the party's positions. If HRC is the Democratic nominee, I'm going to vote for her because...she's a Democrat!

& I'm sick of people acting like she's done absolutely nothing in her life. She's a helluva lot more qualified to be president than any Republican running. I'll take her track record over Rubio, Bush, Walker, Paul, Cruz, Carson, Fiorina, & the 7,000 other Republicans currently running.



It seems to me that this leads to fanaticism and lack of judgement.

"I am a Giants fan. So Eli is the best quarterback ever."

If that is someone's reasoning--self conscious reasoning, especially--he isn't worthy of rational engagement. A number of things you've said are factually weak (not all of them), but why point if out if truth isn't what you are after.


I agree with the party's platform on most issues! I don't understand why the correlation that I'd therefore vote for HRC somehow confounds you. I don't get it. On issue after issue, I agree with Hillary & the Democratic Party. I think they are right on the issues for this nation, so thus I want them to win.
RE: Last six years has been a helluva lot better than the previous eight  
dep026 : 5/30/2015 9:40 am : link
In comment 12307713 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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& he spent a lot of time trying to piece back together what 43 totally f'ed up in the Middle East.

For the HRC haters:
1) She was the first woman to give the commencement speech at Wellesley. In that speech, she tweaked then MA Senator Edward Brooks. She was subsequently covered in Life Magazine, a pretty popular magazine back in the 1960s. So she was a national figure.
2) She got into Yale. On her own! Not as Bill's wife! buford, did you get into Yale? Did I? I heard it's a pretty good school.
3) Her getting fired from the Watergate committee is a nice story in the right wing media bubble. But it's never been verified, much like a lot of HRC stories.


#1 or 2 shoukd have any affect on why people should vote for her.

Again no one is saying here that she isn't smart. She is. She was also an excellent lawyer. But these aren't reasons why she should be president.
should not...  
dep026 : 5/30/2015 9:41 am : link
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RE: I am not sure if I have the facts straight  
montanagiant : 5/30/2015 9:41 am : link
In comment 12307626 idiotsavant said:
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but, while Hill was Secretary of State, the IRS investigated and intimidated conservative groups,

while the Clinton Foundation looked like a (political) slush fund, with more serious conflicts of interest, she being at State, and they ignored it?

That is a double standard,

when IRS being political in any way is totally illegal and fundamentally un-American in the first place.

what is in those emails? (the 'private server' ones, that we don't have access to)

Let me help you out, YOU have not had your facts straight on ANY of the posts you have made in this thread. The very first one regarding the 10% is all that is used for charitable causes is an utter load of crap. Their foundation is different in that while they distribute monies to specific charities under their wing, the vast amount of the money is used for ongoing areas they have already established and that are on-going. That is why you keep seeing the shady disclaimer of "Charitable grants" used by those when they claim this 10% is utter horseshit.
Dep  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:42 am : link
I was responding to buford's inaccurate statement that HRC was some nobody before she married Bill, which is not only untrue, but completely demeaning.

& I agree that giving a commencement speech or going to Yale Law shouldn't make you president. But they indicate a pretty successful individual, not the Fredo Clinton that buford has in her imagination.
RE: I think Obama should have left a small number of troops in Iraq  
Dunedin81 : 5/30/2015 9:49 am : link
In comment 12307735 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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But I place a majority of the blame on the Iraqi government, which was completely inept. And I blame the rise of ISIS on the fact we went into Iraq in the first place, one of the most illogical decisions any president has ever made.


You can blame it on whatever you want. That's an unsophisticated answer though. Frankly I think one of the unheralded causes of the Syrian catastrophe, the initial vacuum from which ISIS emerged, was the local and global reaction to the assassination of Hariri in Lebanon, which the Assads had long used as a financial carrot to reward regime allies. The decline of Syria's economic sway in Lebanon helped undercut Assad's base of power at a time when the region was in foment. Either way, the point is you are apt to find explanations that serve your "team" rather than ones that reflect reality rather than a partisan narrative. 2003 was what it was, in hindsight a bad decision and a worse execution but one that does not constitute the start of a straight-line narrative of inevitability linking invasion to the loss of most of Anbar to ISIS.
Our nation seems to have become "party before country".  
Skibiski : 5/30/2015 9:52 am : link
Some of the candidates currently running would not even be considered decades ago and if they lied or destroyed emails etc their own party would have called them out. I am saddened the country given us by the greatest generation is being destroyed (by us) who are far more dangerous when we stray from what we know is right than ISIS or any other enemy, IMHO.
Bush signed the Status of Forces Agreement that has us out of Iraq in  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 9:58 am : link
2011. When '11 came, we left & handed off the nation to Maliki, who was an absolute disaster & pissed off the Sunnis. That was totally smart, considering ISIS is made up of Sunnis & thus wouldn't be really receptive of being marginalized.

Again, I wish Obama had left a small contingent of troops in Iraq, but Maliki is the real one to blame. And as far as ISIS, they've been in Iraq long before they became known as ISIS. They were al Qaeda in Iraq. They propped up when we stumbled in there.

You don't want to re-litigate history. Fine. But ISIS was created when we invaded.
Dep, Yale? hahaha  
idiotsavant : 5/30/2015 10:04 am : link
founded by pirates. so, yeah.


Yale. Wow. Just give all Yalers frigging jobs in the executive.....not!





Dune, you're a good man  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/30/2015 10:04 am : link
We disagree obviously, but I respect your opinions & knowledge.

Have a good day. I'm outta here; gotta enjoy the weekends.
Old neocon chicken hawks retired  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 10:07 am : link
with time on their hands can't wait to send our troops to die and get maimed for nothing. You should play more shuffleboard and less time sending people off to do what you don't have the balls to do from your comfort in Century Village
RE: Bush signed the Status of Forces Agreement that has us out of Iraq in  
montanagiant : 5/30/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12307757 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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2011. When '11 came, we left & handed off the nation to Maliki, who was an absolute disaster & pissed off the Sunnis. That was totally smart, considering ISIS is made up of Sunnis & thus wouldn't be really receptive of being marginalized.

Again, I wish Obama had left a small contingent of troops in Iraq, but Maliki is the real one to blame. And as far as ISIS, they've been in Iraq long before they became known as ISIS. They were al Qaeda in Iraq. They propped up when we stumbled in there.

You don't want to re-litigate history. Fine. But ISIS was created when we invaded.

Well there was no need to stay since we had achieved "Mission Accomplished" two weeks after we went in there right?
RE: RE: RE: That's laughable  
BMac : 5/30/2015 10:10 am : link
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who else do you have?

Let's face it, you don't care if she tortures puppies. It's all party first, and damn everything else.



The pot calling the kettle black. This is shameful un-self awareness.



I don't give a crap about the Republican Party. They can prop up Jeb Bush all they want, but he's never getting my vote.

And again, it's not about whether you libs should vote for a Republican. It's about why you don't have a better candidate than Hilary. I have some friends that are liberals and they don't want Hilary at all, but would not vote for a Republican. I can respect that. I can't respect people who just are in the tank for Hilary because. Because why, I have no idea. Even her strongest supporters don't know why they are supporting her. And they ignore any and all criticism of her and her many faults.


"You libs" pretty much sums up the gist of my comment. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your disingenuousness. I certainly slant left and have never claimed otherwise, but I subscribe to no one line of political/social thought.

You, on the other hand, are a ravening beast whenever anyone has the effrontery to bash your very obvious affiliation with an ultra-conservative viewpoint.

Do I care about your viewpoint? No more than I care about the looney left's viewpoints. Just don't even try to state that you aren't a full-blooded, rabid rightist. It demeans you and is an insult to anyone with a functioning bullshit meter.
I would not  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 10:13 am : link
put 1 American in arm's way for those useless fuckers. I couldn't care less what happens to them. You want to fight to protect? Then stop running away and stand up and fight with your people for your "countr" not 1 moe US life, not 1
RE: RE: Bush signed the Status of Forces Agreement that has us out of Iraq in  
Dunedin81 : 5/30/2015 10:28 am : link
In comment 12307772 montanagiant said:
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2011. When '11 came, we left & handed off the nation to Maliki, who was an absolute disaster & pissed off the Sunnis. That was totally smart, considering ISIS is made up of Sunnis & thus wouldn't be really receptive of being marginalized.

Again, I wish Obama had left a small contingent of troops in Iraq, but Maliki is the real one to blame. And as far as ISIS, they've been in Iraq long before they became known as ISIS. They were al Qaeda in Iraq. They propped up when we stumbled in there.

You don't want to re-litigate history. Fine. But ISIS was created when we invaded.


Well there was no need to stay since we had achieved "Mission Accomplished" two weeks after we went in there right?


Montana you're better than this nonsense, and if you're not save it for shit-slinging with Gene. That insipid banner had absolutely nothing to do with what happened eight years later. SanFran is right in a sense, Maliki had a lot to do with what has happened since. But there was nothing inevitable about his becoming a Tehran-aligned autocrat, and a couple years worth of military and political leadership failures had a fair amount to do with that. I thought pulling out was probably the right move, certainly with the beauty of hindsight I can feel otherwise. But the Administration seized on Maliki's posturing as an excuse to do "what the Iraqis wanted" and coupled with the wider disengagement strategy it had a lot to do with what followed.
RE: I would not  
Dunedin81 : 5/30/2015 10:30 am : link
In comment 12307775 Headhunter said:
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put 1 American in arm's way for those useless fuckers. I couldn't care less what happens to them. You want to fight to protect? Then stop running away and stand up and fight with your people for your "countr" not 1 moe US life, not 1


Even if you don't have a ton of sympathy for the Iraqi military (and I do, they and their families have suffered plenty over the last three or four decades), religious minorities and the women and girls of the country who will be the foremost victims of anything ISIS touches do deserve a fair amount more.
Screw them  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 10:32 am : link
they don't want to fight, let the chips fall where they may. The Kurds should be supported with arms, they should form Kurdistan and become a true US ally, the rest of them their on their own
You have to stand up and fight for  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 10:34 am : link
your women and children, if for nothing else, yet they turned and ran, they have to live with that, I'm not suppling American blood for their cowardice
Hilary is a carpetbagging, self righteous, arrogant phony  
gtt350 : 5/30/2015 10:51 am : link
who belongs in prison.
On what charges?  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 11:05 am : link
carpetbagger after all these years the same old nonsense that might have been relative when she ran and won the NY Senate seat. Phony, please explain, did she tell you one thing and did another or you just throwing that out there with nothing to substantiate it other than you Hilary Irrational hatred??
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montanagiant : 5/30/2015 11:05 am : link
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2011. When '11 came, we left & handed off the nation to Maliki, who was an absolute disaster & pissed off the Sunnis. That was totally smart, considering ISIS is made up of Sunnis & thus wouldn't be really receptive of being marginalized.

Again, I wish Obama had left a small contingent of troops in Iraq, but Maliki is the real one to blame. And as far as ISIS, they've been in Iraq long before they became known as ISIS. They were al Qaeda in Iraq. They propped up when we stumbled in there.

You don't want to re-litigate history. Fine. But ISIS was created when we invaded.


Well there was no need to stay since we had achieved "Mission Accomplished" two weeks after we went in there right?



Montana you're better than this nonsense, and if you're not save it for shit-slinging with Gene. That insipid banner had absolutely nothing to do with what happened eight years later. SanFran is right in a sense, Maliki had a lot to do with what has happened since. But there was nothing inevitable about his becoming a Tehran-aligned autocrat, and a couple years worth of military and political leadership failures had a fair amount to do with that. I thought pulling out was probably the right move, certainly with the beauty of hindsight I can feel otherwise. But the Administration seized on Maliki's posturing as an excuse to do "what the Iraqis wanted" and coupled with the wider disengagement strategy it had a lot to do with what followed.

lol...It was there..I took the shot, you have to admit it epitomized that whole fiasco, BUT I will acknowledge your correct that it does not further the discussion, so no real place for it here.
relevant  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 11:05 am : link
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RE: Hilary is a carpetbagging, self righteous, arrogant phony  
montanagiant : 5/30/2015 11:06 am : link
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who belongs in prison.

Here we go again

Do you have any actual evidence of this?
Reminds me of that great Dylan line  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 11:17 am : link
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
All I read is noise and baseless accusations and rehashing tired cliches from the '90's. Pin something on her that sticks and I will listen, but all I read is a whole lot of nothing
RE: Reminds me of that great Dylan line  
montanagiant : 5/30/2015 11:44 am : link
In comment 12307814 Headhunter said:
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When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
All I read is noise and baseless accusations and rehashing tired cliches from the '90's. Pin something on her that sticks and I will listen, but all I read is a whole lot of nothing

Its the strategy of "Throwing it against the wall and see what sticks".

Make an accusation, when nothing comes from it make another and keep pounding with the first accusation, rinse and repeat.
the word baseless  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 11:48 am : link
is a word with a defined meaning
RE: Why should we hand over foreign policy to a party  
buford : 5/30/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12307703 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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That got us involved in the biggest foreign policy debacle in recent memory?

I will never-NEVER-give the time of day to people who are advised by Wolfowitz, Bremer, Bolton, & the like.


Again you are all about party. I wouldn't vote for Bush as I said and he has a lot of those advisors. But candidates like Rubio and Walker are their own men and would follow their own path.
RE: Last six years has been a helluva lot better than the previous eight  
buford : 5/30/2015 12:28 pm : link
In comment 12307713 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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& he spent a lot of time trying to piece back together what 43 totally f'ed up in the Middle East.

For the HRC haters:
1) She was the first woman to give the commencement speech at Wellesley. In that speech, she tweaked then MA Senator Edward Brooks. She was subsequently covered in Life Magazine, a pretty popular magazine back in the 1960s. So she was a national figure.
2) She got into Yale. On her own! Not as Bill's wife! buford, did you get into Yale? Did I? I heard it's a pretty good school.
3) Her getting fired from the Watergate committee is a nice story in the right wing media bubble. But it's never been verified, much like a lot of HRC stories.


Wow. What a list! She got into Yale! So did George Bush who also got better grades than John Kerry.
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buford : 5/30/2015 12:30 pm : link
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I'm still not a big HRC fan, but I will support her because I agree with her on most every issue.

And the alternative, be it Rubio (Dude is taking fear mongering to new heights), Bush (Because his brother was such a raging success... Jeb 2016!), Walker (Can't even say Obama is a Christian), is just way too scary.

The only semi-decent one is Paul, though even some of his ideas don't jive with my thinking.



I'm glad you are on top of the important issues there....



Like Benghazi?



Since you brought it up, the mess that is Libya is 100% of Clinton and Obama. That was their thing from the beginning and it was botched badly.

So again, what did HRC accomplish as Secretary of State that makes you want to turn over the entire foreign policy of the US to her?



Name me accomplishments of Condi Rice. Name me accomplishments of Colin Powell. Name me accomplishments of Madeline Albright. Name me accomplishments of Christopher Warren.



Are they running for President?

Meanwhile the power and scope of the  
idiotsavant : 5/30/2015 1:07 pm : link
"Fourth Branch of Government" (the unelected agencies) grows by leaps and bounds.

oh...and the cost, but hey, one thing at a time.
SFN.....  
old man : 5/30/2015 8:36 pm : link
Do your homework on your party and cigar Bill and while at it the shill entity to trade speaking engagements for coincidental favors.
Old man  
Headhunter : 5/30/2015 9:31 pm : link
age hasn't brought you wisdom, just a body that is probably breaking down, sucks doesn't it?
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