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not sign for Boyle and not trade for Yandle?

In comment 12321758 Giants2012 said:

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not sign for Boyle and not trade for Yandle?

Oh look, a dead horse. Let's beat it

In comment 12321640 NYerInMA said:

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to a roster that won the Presidents' Trophy and was 20 minutes away from back-to-back Cup Finals?

They were also 90 seconds away from losing in 5 games to Washington. It wasn't an impressive playoff performance from this group. Injuries played a part, but i'm just not sure how much. I dont think any of us know.

But I generally agree that wholesale changes are not needed. I do think however that Glass was a blackhole on that 4th line and they need more from the 3rd and 4th lines next year. Put too much stress on the top 2 lines, which are not as good as what other playoff teams have (since those other teams have benefited from top 5 picks post lockout).

Upgrade Glass for christ's sake.

As for the third line, they were putrid in the postseason too but i guess you just have to hope/assume that Hayes/Fast/Lindberg will get better with experience. I wouldnt touch it - we cant touch it given cap restraints.

...unless they find a deal they like for Nash.

I dont consider Klein and/or Talbot major. They'd need to be overwhelmed to move Stepan IMO.

In comment 12321723 Anakim said:

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I know he was injured for most of the year, but Pysyk is one FANTASTIC defenseman AND he's a RD.

Why did he collapse?

so he could be gone.

In comment 12321817 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12321723 Anakim said: Quote: I know he was injured for most of the year, but Pysyk is one FANTASTIC defenseman AND he's a RD. Why did he collapse?

He collapsed?

The Buffalo Sabres organization had every intention of shutting down Pysyk until next season after doctors had been unable to pinpoint the reason for his Feb. 28 collapse during a pick-up basketball game with teammates.

But the third-year defenseman said he has undergone every test imaginable, and the specialists found no reason for alarm.

"I've been to enough doctors hopefully for the rest of my life," Pysyk, 23, said after Tuesday's practice at Blue Cross Arena at the Rochester Community War Memorial.

"They did tests of my heart, on my head, nothing."

He said the cause of his apparent seizure on the morning of Feb. 28 was dehydration.

That's a shame. I know he was a fantastic defensemen a couple of years back and he was named one of the young stars of the Sabres, along with the Russians and Girgensons.

It would be nice to add another power forward to the fold, though every decision NYR faces now will need to tie into a longterm projection for the cap.

I'd be trying to kick the $ to him instead of Hags.

I suggested that a while back but everyone said I'm crazy, that Chicago would never let him go.

than NYR makes an offer they refuse to match, but that's the type of upgrade I'd be searching for. CORE.

Saad is going to get decent coin. I would LOVE to add him.. he's another budding young PFD who will probably be outstanding the next few years as he really starts to hit his stride and develop more. I just don't think it's realistic. Even if Chicago can't hang onto him, someone else will be willing to pay more than we can.

amongst GMs in hockey that they rarely give out offer sheets. And if they do, it creates some serious bad blood (see below).

I don't get it though. The goal is to improve your team. Saad is enticing
Brian Burke vs. Kevin Lowe - ( New Window )

When the Avalanche sent Neil Smith a framed print of the famous picture of Nelson Rockefeller flipping the bird after they matched the offer.

That we can't offer some RFAs contracts (depends on the money we offer) because we have no first rounder next year.

In comment 12323907 Kyle in NY said:

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amongst GMs in hockey that they rarely give out offer sheets. And if they do, it creates some serious bad blood (see below). I don't get it though. The goal is to improve your team. Saad is enticing Brian Burke vs. Kevin Lowe - ( New Window )

agreed that there probably is an unspoken rule... but not sure about using Brian Burke as referance point. Burke is simply a grade A asshole and petulant child... most GMs are more professional.

Better example is probably when Philly tried to steal Shea Weber.

gotta be realistic

Someone is going to break rank -- guy had 52 points and 23 goals at age 22 and has been even better in the postseason. Someone's going to give him $5-6mm, maybe more, per year.

Question is whether Chicago can match by somehow getting BOTH Sharp and Hossa off the books... just not sure how they can possibly get off the hook with Hossa. That contract is insane and they should have amnestied him, even if he's still productive currently.

Saad on NYI, Pittsburgh (doubt they have cap space), or Washington (I think they have $16 mil to play with) would be scary. He's from Pittsburgh, hopefully that doesnt factor in.

In comment 12323925 Greg from LI said:

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When the Avalanche sent Neil Smith a framed print of the famous picture of Nelson Rockefeller flipping the bird after they matched the offer.

That's hilarious. I never heard of that before.

I can't stand the NHL's old (white) boy's network. Fortunately, it seems like fresh thinking is being injected a bit - surprisingly from former players,

I'd love Saad. Don't you need the picks to even make an offer, though? And Chicago will likely reach a deal with him.

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So these steps proved good enough to finance the Avs’ match of the Rangers offer to Sakic, and he stayed in Colorado. Frei writes that after the Avs matched, Lyons sent MSG President Dave Checketts a framed copy of the famous picture of Nelson Rockefeller’s single-digit response to hecklers at a 1976 campaign stop.

I remembered how stunned people were by that offer sheet at the time, but reading the article reminded me of why - the high-end salaries in the NHL up to the Sakic offer sheet were around $3 mill, and the 3/$21 offer more than doubled that overnight. All the top players started asking in the $7 mill range.
How Joe Sakic Changed the Hockey Business - ( New Window )

In comment 12323959 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 12323907 Kyle in NY said: Quote: amongst GMs in hockey that they rarely give out offer sheets. And if they do, it creates some serious bad blood (see below). I don't get it though. The goal is to improve your team. Saad is enticing Brian Burke vs. Kevin Lowe - ( New Window ) agreed that there probably is an unspoken rule... but not sure about using Brian Burke as referance point. Burke is simply a grade A asshole and petulant child... most GMs are more professional. Better example is probably when Philly tried to steal Shea Weber.

Sure, but it almost never happens regardless.

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In comment 12323925 Greg from LI said:

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When the Avalanche sent Neil Smith a framed print of the famous picture of Nelson Rockefeller flipping the bird after they matched the offer.

I've always said and felt that deal saved hockey. I felt the Yankees were destroying baseball (the field leveled a bit since then) and the Rangers were on their way to destroying hockey. After the 94 season Smith just started throwing cash around and trying to buy anybody. Once Messier left and there was no cap (as you know) I felt the Rangers were about just buy Sakic and send the payroll through the roof. The Avs matching the offer was Rangers arrogance humbled IMO and saved hockey.

On the flip side, once a cap was in place, I think that saved the Rangers as they started building from within (a few amnesty buyouts a decade later helped too).

And for my childhood.

caused by the bad signing probably did force the Rangers to "build from within". But I dont think that is the driver of the recent success vs. prior failure. I think the difference was just better drafting.

Rangers drafting from 1995 to 2003 was really terrible. We had much better picks that we have now, and did a lot worse with them. 96-22 overall Jeff Brown never made the NHL. 97-19 Cherneski of course got hurt. But then 1998-99 happened. 3 premium picks in Malhotra (I hated that pick), Brendl, and Lundmark. Yes the drafts sucked, but still. No #1 in 2000 (Lundmark); Hank in the 7th round though. 01-10 Blackburn, another premium pick, gets hurt. No 2002 #1 (Bure?). 03-12 Jessiman is a total bust in the deepest 1st round ever. 04-6 Montoya and 04-19 Korpikoski contribute nothing to the team and were effectively dumped (ie not sold off in a win-now trade). Dubi and Cally are drafted in 2004. Starting in 2004 we get a significant piece in every draft -- Staal 05, AA 06, Hags 07, Stepan 08, Kreider 09, Fast 10, Miller 11.

So yeah, the free spending did us no good, but I'd say the main reason we failed was the poor drafting. Since 1994, we've drafted only two guys (Savard, Zidlicky) with 325+ points. The recent draftees will eventually get there (Cally, Dubi, Stepan in next two seasons), but it's pretty sad with respect to the earlier picks.

I had such high hopes.

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Jamie Lundmark will be a great Jeremy Roenick/Steve Yzerman type player and at least 1 of their goalie prospects will be a star.

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On another note, the goaltender for team Sweden happened to be Henrik Lundqvist, the Rangers 7th round selection in the 2000 Entry Draft. Lundqvist has been given the tag “will be the best goalie to come out of Sweden”, but this season he has not been playing like it. In my opinion, he ranks 3rd as of now in Sweden behind Mikael Tellqvist (Toronto draftee) and other Rangers draftee Johan Asplund. As for the game, Lundqvist was shaky. He allowed 3 goals on Canada’s only 3 shots in the first period. He was not dominant, and hasn’t been at all this season.

And Johan Holmqvist and Johan Asplund...I remember people arguing on the old NY Times Rangers board about which one of those two was going to be the goalie of the future.

Regarding Lundmark....he was the real kick in the balls. Brendl was the risky pick. He was either going to be a 50 goal guy or he was going to flame out, but Lundmark was supposed to be a sure thing as a two-way center and a lot of leadership.

burned in my memory. Hanging my hopes on turds like Filip Novak.

I was so happy to get Brendl. Didnt know that he was such a lazy shitbird.

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In comment 12325395 BrettNYG10 said:

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Yes, so its not like we blew the pick. But it wasnt our natural pick either -- we gave Cloutier, Sundstrom, and our 2000 #1 and #3. Although that wasnt such a great draft either. There were some really shitty drafts in that era.

I can remember that very well, that he was considered to have immense talent but no heart. He was the ultimate high risk/high reward prospect. Lundmark was supposed to be the safe pick, a guy that at worst would be a very solid 2C, and he sucked too.

And Manny Mal.....man. At least he had a legit NHL career, although it was basically the same career as Dom Moore rather than a top ten pick.

On top of everything else, the one guy they did develop who had a very nice career, Savard, is a guy they gave up on quickly.

Cherneski blew up his knee 10 games into his pro career and Danny Blackburn's career ended at age 20 because of a weird nerve injury.

And then Cherepanov drops dead on the bench in Russia.

for some reason I recall that he was featured by ESPN's magazine pre-draft, and they said (at age 18) that he was essentially Messier without the scoring. Like that's a fucking thing.

Didn't Muckler basically come out and say Malhotra was going to be a great third line center and everyone got really pissed off?

Montoya in 2004 was another pick that I thought was dumb at the time. They seemingly didn't miss out on much given the rest of the draft, but Lundqvist was a viable prospect at the time.

Apparently he played a bit in Europe, made a nice amount of loot, and now his wife runs a real estate brokerage out of Pennsylvania. Not a bad life..
Sort of crazy hottish for her age - ( New Window )

In comment 12325448 BrettNYG10 said:

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Didn't Muckler basically come out and say Malhotra was going to be a great third line center and everyone got really pissed off? Montoya in 2004 was another pick that I thought was dumb at the time. They seemingly didn't miss out on much given the rest of the draft, but Lundqvist was a viable prospect at the time.

Drafting goaltenders with a top five pick had always seemed to be a poor allocation of resources but the circumstances surrounding the Montoya pick were baffling, IIRC.

I hadn't looked at the 1998 draft in a while, and you guys are right - very weak first round. the Styx were two picks behind the Rangers at #9 and took....Mike Rupp. The only first rounders after Malhotra who did much of anything were Tanguay at 12, Simon Gagne at 22 and Gomez at 27.

see this article, which comically said that unlike Muckler, Smith sees MM as a 35 goal 2nd line center.
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but they weren't nearly as good as the Sedins. One they picked in the first round. I forget their names. They played for the University of Maine, I think, the same time as Paul Kariya. Neither amounted to much.

Never amounted to anything, but hey, they were from Long Island!

Thanks, Greg

Ugh! Not a good draft.

but the Korpedo pick really blew my mind. We absolutely needed top 6 scoring talent, and to have two decent picks and not even go for a potential top line player was just bizarre. Korpedo profiled as someone who could fill the role Hags now plays.

that there are a few of these still in my parents' house, safed away in toploaders.

They didn't really pass up any top 6 scorers in that first round. Zajac went with the next pick, but I've never been a big fan of his. David Kreijci, maybe, but he went 44 picks later.

Weird fact: the top five scorers from that 2004 draft are Ovechkin, Malkin, Andrew Ladd, Kreijci and.....Mark Streit???

In comment 12324842 BrettNYG10 said:

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And for my childhood.

see Don Maloney

The Rangers drafted Brian Leetch in 1986. He scored 981 points as a Ranger. In 29 years since then, the highest number of points scored for the Rangers by a Ranger draft pick?

Alex Kovalev, 330 points. Good lord. In 29 years no Rangers draft pick has contributed more than 330 points to the team. They've had some talented picks - Kovalev (1029 points), Weight (1033 points but only 70 as a Ranger), Amonte (416 goals and 900 points, but only 84 and 183 as a Ranger), Zubov (771 points, only 156 as a Ranger), Marc Savard (706 points, only 51 as a Ranger.