NFT: New York Rangers Fans

..the Pens didn't pick up a younger, cheaper star for Malkin. Rick Nash ain't that guy.

with Cindy in his prime?

Agree its not realistic and anyway I'd rather trade Nash and others for prospects and picks, and then use the cap space to sign Voracek next offseason anyway.

I'm talking about good young players. Take Brett's joking Toronto offer of JVR and Rielly. I'm not saying those exact players, but that kind of deal, getting multiple very good younger players for one star.

but the Pens would absolutely want JT Miller. Local kid, 4-5 more cost controlled years, and as good right now as all the guys who became stars on Sid's wing. And they seem to really like bigger guys these days.

IMO Nash plus Stepan is an overpay.

Is that I'd be worried about Geno making it through a full season. He keeps getting dinged up. If I knew he was going to be 100%, I'd absolutely send Nash and Stepan out. There'd probably be a lesser player headed back with him, Steve Downie or someone like that.

In comment 12315921 Deej said:

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but the Pens would absolutely want JT Miller. Local kid, 4-5 more cost controlled years, and as good right now as all the guys who became stars on Sid's wing. And they seem to really like bigger guys these days. IMO Nash plus Stepan is an overpay.

Miller, Skjei, Buch, Nash, a 1st.

Would you do it?

what are everyones long term feelings regarding Step vs JT?

Anyone else think JT has the potential to be a better player than Stepan? I definitely could see it happening. JT is what, 22? I feel he's better at 22 than step was.

I say this all as someone who loves Step also. Step just seems like he does everything above average, but nothing great (well he's pretty great defensively actually).

But I don't think he ever has the potential to develop that scoring touch, he's not big enough or fast enough to present that "ice athleticism" mismatch... He's an awesome player, but I wouldn't be opposed to including him in a trade for a legitimate star.

I'm not trading Skjei unless they're getting a decent defenseman in return. They really, really need him.

I'd do Nash, Miller, Buchnevich for Malkin +, then you turn around and deal either Brassard or Stepan to ease the crowding at C, preferably for a good defenseman or a decent scoring winger.

When Stepan was 22 (which was only three years ago), he put up 44 points in 48 games and plays very good defense. Miller might get to that level, but he definitely isn't there yet. He's got more tools than Step but he doesn't have his hockey IQ, not by a longshot.

You can probably cook up a fair trade of Nash + Miller + prospects/picks, but at the end of the day the recent trades for Nash, MSL, and Yandle have really stripped the cupboards bare of futures to give.

In no world should a guy like Skjei or Buch be a "dealbreaker" in a trade for Malkin, except at some point you really have to ask yourself how you'll fill out rosters going forward. It's not like we're going into crash mode in 2 years anyway -- we have lots of guys who should keep us competitive in 3-4 years.

In comment 12315944 Greg from LI said:

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When Stepan was 22 (which was only three years ago), he put up 44 points in 48 games and plays very good defense. Miller might get to that level, but he definitely isn't there yet. He's got more tools than Step but he doesn't have his hockey IQ, not by a longshot.

True. I guess I've underrated Step a lot. Those first few years I thought he could flourish into a legit 1C, and while he's borderline now, maybe I underrate him due to how he didn't follow the (admittedly impressive) trajectory I anticipated, especially when I couple it with his physical attributes.

I didn't think about the hockey IQ aspect of it.

side note: I'm 26 and can barely ice skate, but holy fucking shit I want to learn how to place ice hockey so badly. Maybe I should just stick to roller hockey, but god damn I wish I played this sport growing up. I played a little football and baseball (which ironically is my least favorite sport), but since my HS never had an ice hockey team, I never got the chance to give it a shot.

My quarter-life crisis is giving me this urge to go buy gear, find 3 other friends that want to learn, and start playing 1v1 with a goalie on them.

A lot of people (Ranger fans and hockey fans in general) really underrate Stepan.

Stfu already arc

But I'd do everything possible to avoid trading Skjei. He seems like exactly what they need.

He's kind of skinny, he's an average skater, he's not a big hitter and he doesn't have an impressive shot. He succeeds because he's got top-notch hockey smarts and hustles his ass off. His positioning is usually excellent, he's very good with his stick defensively and he can make some nice passes.

But in this hypothetical trade for Malkin, losing Duclair really sucks. He'd be a great piece.

At a $71.5M cap, NYR has $12M in space ... a ballpark suggests Step (6) and Hags (3) figure to eat up most of it.

That would mean only 9 forwards, 6 D, and 2 G under contract with $3M leftover ... Miller could be looking at $2M alone.

They need to make room, probably easiest to move one of the D-men and go from there. Agree with Deej at considering moving two D's this Summer.

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If things in Pittsburgh were ever to go downhill and I would have to leave, I would pick the New York Rangers

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In comment 12315992 BrettNYG10 said:

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Or the Canadiens.

But ho ho ho, take that Brooklyn and Devils fans!

In comment 12315970 Sonic Youth said:

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But in this hypothetical trade for Malkin, losing Duclair really sucks. He'd be a great piece.

On the bright side, at least Duclair wouldn't be on Pittsburgh. I mean not that we're rivals with them or anything...

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In comment 12316004 Greg from LI said:

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I hope so. I've been on BBI for 6 hours straight. Work sucks!

In comment 12316008 Anakim said:

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In comment 12316004 Greg from LI said: Quote: . I hope so. I've been on BBI for 6 hours straight. Work sucks!

Try working?

In comment 12315960 Greg from LI said:

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He's kind of skinny, he's an average skater, he's not a big hitter and he doesn't have an impressive shot. He succeeds because he's got top-notch hockey smarts and hustles his ass off. His positioning is usually excellent, he's very good with his stick defensively and he can make some nice passes.

I think team dynamics and this locker room is pretty important. Stephan is still only 24 yrs old so he has a lot of hockey left in him.

On the flip side, I think you summed him up well. Is a raise in a salary cap era too much? If Stepan was a Devil when they were good, would the Devils part with ways with him? Should the Rangers?

Lot of decisions.

In comment 12316100 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 12316008 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12316004 Greg from LI said: Quote: . I hope so. I've been on BBI for 6 hours straight. Work sucks! Try working?

No, that's just what they're expecting

The Rangers salary books.

It would be great if Slats hangs them up. I don't think he's done a bad job at all, but I am worried about sacrificing future for present any further than we have already.

As far as the offseason, I think it's really important not only to get one or two big contracts off of the books, but also to cash-in on one of the several players with good value who are due for new contracts in the next 2 offseasons, as we won't be able
to keep them all.

To be honest, I'm not a believe that the roster needs a "shake-up", but I think the organization should be willing to make some significant changes in the name of extending the runway for sustained success.

To boot, it would be insanely nice to have the flexibility to stick our toe in what is an extremely deep FA class for 2016. 2 or 3 of the big names could re-sign with their current teams and it would STILL be a really good class.

With all of that in mind, here are a couple of ideas I have had:

- trade Nash + Talbot to STL for Backes + Schwartz + 2nd rounder -- remember that Backes is a pending FA next season. If you think the rangers are giving up too much, make them take Glass. I like the flexibility this provides into next offseason. If Backes proves to be a beast, re-sign him. If not, let him walk and maybe you can participate on Voracek/Stamkos/Lucic/Kopitar/Staal/Kesler/Ladd.

- trade Stepan to a contender for prospects/picks. Count me in the camp that believes you can't pay Stepan 6+ per year. I need a more physically talented player for that kind of money, and I really hate having 2 centers who are both not physical (I'm not talking about fighting, I'm talking about playing in front of the next and charging a price along the offensive boards), cant win important faceoffs, and aren't particularly fast. (Another potential spot to make a trading partner take on Glass, and/or maybe you can add an Allen/McIlrath or a Klein to this deal if it brings back anything better)

- trade one of Girardi/Staal for whatever you can get. This one gets tossed around a lot. I'm not optimistic that it's doable given the NMCs.

-if enough room can be cleared, I wouldn't be opposed to giving Hagelin a significantly longer deal with the hope that you get a better price by doing it early. I like the player a lot at 3.5 per year. I don't like it at 4.5. If they decide to keep Stepan, trading Hagelin is a must, IMO. I don't want both at a price tag near or over 9m. For that kind of money I prefer a true star + a lesser piece.

Chicago on their heels so far but weathering the storm so far.

Really solid move by Paquette

1-0 bolts

Tie game. Andrej Sustr sucks balls

Who can play the greasy game in front of the net

Haha

Tie game

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3-2

Hardly touched

You Theon-Greyjoy-looking motherfucker

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Can't say I agree. If there is a good return to be had, I'd listen, but 50 point production from a D with a 2.5m cap hit is exactly the kind of bang for the buck you need as a deep playoff contender with the kind of cap restraints the rangers are facing.

Both guys under $3M cap hit. The question with yandle is do you want to see him walk after surrendering significant assets to acquire him. Sather's admission that 'he'd been after him for years' leads me to believe they will try to get a deal done.

The contract to get out from under is Girardi's. His wheels are going at an alarming rate. We love him as a leader and a warrior but his game has limitations. they should have traded him on his contract year. Players of his sort aren't worth #33M at age 30 plus a NTC. The NTC is the big issue moving forward. I doubt he'd waive it. If you request it and he refuses you have an uncomfortable situation with one fo your core leaders.

Is more about creating room for one of the kids and keeping the assets moving through the pipeline.

Trading Girardi is a pipe dream. I doubt there are any takers and I doubt he'd waive the NTC.

Staal is the better bet (if it is, in fact, true that his NTC doesn't kick in before 7/1)

Skjei is a longshot to make this club out of camp. He could be a consideration for promotion in season if he continues to play well. McIlrath is a #7 Dman at best imo. Connor Allen is a bottom pair guy at best. That is the pipeline. The only one of the three that may be an upgrade to Klein is Skjei. Making room right now isn't an issue especially when Klein's contract is very team friendly for what he brings to the table.

Either make the team or become free agents. Them's the breaks.

IMO can't let them walk for free, and you're going to get hosed in a trade for them, with other teams knowing you're over a barrel.

I say use them as 6 and 7, let the best man win.

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That Staal's NTC doesn't kick in until 7/1?

I have heard some people say it but I can't find anything to confirm or deny it.

but every time I saw Hunwick he at least held his own. I know he didn't play a lot, so the brass doesn't think so highly of him But it's the same brass that has Glass playing.

McD to RD1, paired with Yandle. Trade one of DG, Boyle, or Klein. Give Allen a 30 game tryout at LD3, and if he fails call up Skjei. McIlrath traded or rotated in as a #7 dman (and in particular, planned days off for DG and Boyle if they remain).

Key is to acknowledge that (1) we're making the playoffs no matter who our #6 dman is, (2) roster arent static so if there is a disaster we can made a trade, and (3) we're probably better off not trying to win every game. Shoot for a #3-5 seed.

Just to re-sign Step and Hags and fill out the roster will require a trade to move out salary. Moving a D for $3M savings should accomplish that, at a minimum, but we'll have to see how many changes the brass decides to shoot for as well.

and agree he's the player they should've moved a year ago before the extension. As strong a leader and presence he has been, he's also the player who figures to age the quickest and we're already seeing it, imv.

by trading one of the expensive RD's, but its probably not happening.