ESPN: Why Beason is more important to the NYG than you think

guy Dan. Always trying to talk this team down smh

He will use the exact opposite logic on why the Eagles and Cowboys will have a great drfense......

Beason is a vital leader but only a 2 down lber

Seems to be the worst reporter from ESPN covering the Giants that I can recall. He rarely has any real insight or information, and tends to overly dramatize any negatives.

The "facts" are that the Giants have had a poor record the last 3 years due to: 1) poor drafting from 2009-2012, 2) offensive and defensive coordinators that failed to adapt to a changing roster and NFL landscape post SB XLVI and 3) an NFL high numbers starters lost to injuries the last 2 years.

Staying healthy (Beason clearly included) is a key to the Giants success as well as (hopefully) better drafting the last 2 years. We will see.

Graziano, I might not have even opened the thread..

BB56

Man for man they have enough talent especially if we get the Beason we saw when he first came here. And Beason doesn't need to be more than a "2 down" player as we have other LBs who can blitz and cover.

Plays at 100 % all year we will be much better for it.

the mere fact that the Giants are counting on Beason, an injury prone linebacker, who is one of the oldest players on this team, is one of the reasons it's a defense "that's going to have to play way over its head in order to succeed."

And there is nothing wrong with that.....this defense only has 5 real starters...Beason is one of them.....if he goes down, it's 4......It will be Spags' schemes, rather than talent on defense, that will make the defense.

I doubt that JPP stays out until the 10th week, but I wouldn't be surprised if he finally comes back for the first game of the season......Hankins is the only other guy in the DL.....the rest are are unknowns, or average at best....Collins is a talent at safety.....but how that translates into the NFL is unknown....the second safety is a huge question mark....the corners are the only solid part of this defense......but if there are injuries again, there is no depth on this defense....

So this defense will have to play way over it's head, without a doubt, and hope that injuries are minor....

A healthy Beason would be huge!

then the defense should be in excellent shape. We saw two seasons ago what a healthy Beason can do for the defense. He raised the level of play of those around him especially Paysinger who played the best football of his career when Beason was inserted in the middle. I expect Kennard, Thomas, and Casillas to play well with Beason commanding the middle. Personally the two defensive players I am most looking forward to playing in Spags scheme are Moore and Kennard.

You could find a way to make winning the lottery seem like being diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Kindred spirits...were they conjoined twins separated at birth?

This coming season i would definitely feel pretty good about our LBs in 2015. Graziano sucks tho.

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.....this defense only has 5 real starters...Beason is one of them.....if he goes down, it's 4...

JPP and Hankins are starters. That's two.

Jenkins could also be considered a starter, but I believe another DT will take his spot - Ellis or Bromley - and if that happens, that's three.

Selvie and Ayers both have starting experience, but Wynn just might beat them both out. That's four.

Beason's a definite starter, and Kennard has the goods to start, too. J.T. Thomas appeared in 16 games last year and started 10 of them. Good enough for me. That's seven.

Prince and DRC are both starters. That's nine.

I won't anoint any safeties, yet, even though Taylor was primed for the Deon Grant role last year, and has been practicing with the ones this year. Collins is still a rookie and even though he's been practicing with the ones, too, I'd like to see what he does when the bullets start flying.

Doomster: 5
Klaatu: 9

I win.

You mean a player who at least has a chance to legitimately earn a pro bowl vote, there are at most 5 on our starting D - JPP, big Hank, Prince, DRC, and if healthy Beason.

You can be optimistic all you want, that's great, but it's also the current reality of the known talent we have on D.

Cullen Jenkins at 34? Not sure he even makes the team! A lot of eggs in Landon Collins basket this year, for a rookie...

Please go through the dallas defense and tell me how many they have?

I think the defense has a pretty good chance to make a turn around like the offense did last year.......and it starts with Spags.

If Ellis or Bromley......exceeds expectation and the defense remains relativily healthy? I know... big if......this defense can be special

In comment 12324580 George from PA said:

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Please go through the dallas defense and tell me how many they have? I think the defense has a pretty good chance to make a turn around like the offense did last year.......and it starts with Spags. If Ellis or Bromley......exceeds expectation and the defense remains relativily healthy? I know... big if......this defense can be special

2000 Ravens had 3 pro bowl players on defense: Ray Lewis, Sam Adams, and Rod Woodson.

realize Hankins is a very good player - both in the run game and with the pass rush from the DT spot. He gives us 2 studs on the DL.

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I am talking about guys that make plays......anyone that walks onto the field on that opening play on defense is a starter....but how many of them make plays?

JPP does...Hankins does....Beason does....Prince and DRC, also....the rest are bodies until they prove they can be the starters we need them to be....

We expect Collins to immediately join that group...all indications are he will, but how long will it take?

The second safety is an unknown.....

We have linebackers that are more backups than starters....Kennard has to show he can stay on the field and and step up to the next level......I think our linebacking corps is really going to have to count on Thomas, who will be a key ingredient in Spags' defense.....he has to be the guy to step up, especially if Beason goes down....and it's hard to believe that Herz is not only on this roster, but he got a raise.....If Herz is on the field, and I am the qb, a pass will be going to his guy or area...

Our corners are set.....but we saw both of them injured last year....who are the backups?

The DL, which is an important factor of a Spags defense, has two pieces.....football is not plug and play.....many are looking at Selvie and Ellis as instant answers....there is a reason why these guys came cheap...Ayers when healthy, is a situational pass rusher....he is not a starter at DE....Kuhn? Jenkins? The rest are guys with limited experience....

The one thing that many complained about, concerning Fewell, was his lack of imagination, and not using the players he had properly.....Spags has more of an attack defense.....when it doesn't work, it gives up points.....when it does, the defense gets off the field.....I think we all feel, that Spags will put his players in a position to succeed...there are a lot of guys who have not had the opportunity to excel under Fewell....if some of these guys take advantage of this opportunity, then this defense has a great chance for improvement....there will be a learning curve on this defense, and guys have to stay healthy, for it to succeed..

It's not being a Debbie Downer....it's being realistic.....I really feel that 2016 is the year for the Giants...there are just too many ?marks for this upcoming season....

In comment 12324613 Doomster said:

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I am talking about guys that make plays......anyone that walks onto the field on that opening play on defense is a starter....but how many of them make plays? JPP does...Hankins does....Beason does....Prince and DRC, also....the rest are bodies until they prove they can be the starters we need them to be.... We expect Collins to immediately join that group...all indications are he will, but how long will it take? The second safety is an unknown..... We have linebackers that are more backups than starters....Kennard has to show he can stay on the field and and step up to the next level......I think our linebacking corps is really going to have to count on Thomas, who will be a key ingredient in Spags' defense.....he has to be the guy to step up, especially if Beason goes down....and it's hard to believe that Herz is not only on this roster, but he got a raise.....If Herz is on the field, and I am the qb, a pass will be going to his guy or area... Our corners are set.....but we saw both of them injured last year....who are the backups? The DL, which is an important factor of a Spags defense, has two pieces.....football is not plug and play.....many are looking at Selvie and Ellis as instant answers....there is a reason why these guys came cheap...Ayers when healthy, is a situational pass rusher....he is not a starter at DE....Kuhn? Jenkins? The rest are guys with limited experience.... The one thing that many complained about, concerning Fewell, was his lack of imagination, and not using the players he had properly.....Spags has more of an attack defense.....when it doesn't work, it gives up points.....when it does, the defense gets off the field.....I think we all feel, that Spags will put his players in a position to succeed...there are a lot of guys who have not had the opportunity to excel under Fewell....if some of these guys take advantage of this opportunity, then this defense has a great chance for improvement....there will be a learning curve on this defense, and guys have to stay healthy, for it to succeed.. It's not being a Debbie Downer....it's being realistic.....I really feel that 2016 is the year for the Giants...there are just too many ?marks for this upcoming season....

So two guys on the DL, the MLB, and two DB are play makers and this is your evidence that the defense is going to be bad?

You're silly.

I'm sure you'll be just as pessimistic in 2016.

Garbage...... more garbage..... synapse.. synapse...... synapse

Illogical thought..... unsupported opinion....... doom

doom

doom.....

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everything sucks.... team is bad..... giants have 1 good player... maybe... synapse.. synapse...synapse.....

In comment 12324616 Klaatu said:

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I'm sure you'll be just as pessimistic in 2016.

For sure. It's why his handle is so fitting. He is the voice of doom and gloom. But you have to feel sorry for a guy who sees negativity in everything he looks at. He has got to be one miserable person.

In comment 12324613 Doomster said:

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I am talking about guys that make plays......anyone that walks onto the field on that opening play on defense is a starter....but how many of them make plays? JPP does...Hankins does....Beason does....Prince and DRC, also....the rest are bodies until they prove they can be the starters we need them to be.... We expect Collins to immediately join that group...all indications are he will, but how long will it take? The second safety is an unknown..... We have linebackers that are more backups than starters....Kennard has to show he can stay on the field and and step up to the next level......I think our linebacking corps is really going to have to count on Thomas, who will be a key ingredient in Spags' defense.....he has to be the guy to step up, especially if Beason goes down....and it's hard to believe that Herz is not only on this roster, but he got a raise.....If Herz is on the field, and I am the qb, a pass will be going to his guy or area... Our corners are set.....but we saw both of them injured last year....who are the backups? The DL, which is an important factor of a Spags defense, has two pieces.....football is not plug and play.....many are looking at Selvie and Ellis as instant answers....there is a reason why these guys came cheap...Ayers when healthy, is a situational pass rusher....he is not a starter at DE....Kuhn? Jenkins? The rest are guys with limited experience.... The one thing that many complained about, concerning Fewell, was his lack of imagination, and not using the players he had properly.....Spags has more of an attack defense.....when it doesn't work, it gives up points.....when it does, the defense gets off the field.....I think we all feel, that Spags will put his players in a position to succeed...there are a lot of guys who have not had the opportunity to excel under Fewell....if some of these guys take advantage of this opportunity, then this defense has a great chance for improvement....there will be a learning curve on this defense, and guys have to stay healthy, for it to succeed.. It's not being a Debbie Downer....it's being realistic.....I really feel that 2016 is the year for the Giants...there are just too many ?marks for this upcoming season....

Look at the flip side. You can take 2015 off & perfect your "we're gonna suck this year" spiel for 2016.

of the "Realist" vs. "Pollyanna" debates we used to have 15 years ago.

Coming off two straight sub .500 seasons, I think Doomster and Dan Graziano have every right to question the quality of the Giants' roster. I do too. Until we have three proven linebackers and five effective starters on the offensive line, there's no way an objective analyst would ever promote this team as a contender.

Put me in the "Realist" camp.

with people who aren't exactly pumped up about this defense. They were atrocious last year and we currently have little to no depth at Safety and CB with big questions around our LBs.

knows that our running game is night and day with and without Beason. You could argue he's the most important individual player on the defense.

Because it's a schtick. And it's fucking annoying. It's not about realism.

Anyone should have a certain degree of concern about the defense. That's not really the issue. It's the focus on the bad side of everything and constant worst case outlook that grates on people.

not "running game."

#HungOver

depending on a guy who can't stay on the field.

Somehow I think Spags is going to be a little more prepared for the worst case than Graziano is giving him credit for.

In comment 12324765 George said:

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of the "Realist" vs. "Pollyanna" debates we used to have 15 years ago. Coming off two straight sub .500 seasons, I think Doomster and Dan Graziano have every right to question the quality of the Giants' roster. I do too. Until we have three proven linebackers and five effective starters on the offensive line, there's no way an objective analyst would ever promote this team as a contender. Put me in the "Realist" camp.

I can agree with not being excited about this defense. That is realistic.

What isn't realistic is saying that we have 5 playmakers on defense as proof that there's no reason to be excited.

If I thought we had 5 playmakers, I'd be pissing my pants in excitement.

It's almost as if he is a fan of another team and "forced" to cover the Giants and hence almost all his articles have that negative tone to it. I don't think I ever read a reporter who writes like this. It's am sot as if he is miserable covering the Giants.

History tells us Beason will be done by Week 6. I hope he bucks the odds but realistically this defense will ride on JPP and will need young guys like Kennard to 'arrive' to be respectable.

ought to be a fan.

He's not, and shouldn't be. He's paid to report, be honest, be objective, and provide both information and observations based on evidence - not wishful thinking. And because the Giants haven't been a very good team recently, many of his reports have been negative; there haven't been many positives to write about.

The guy doesn't try to put lipstick on pigs, and I give him credit for that.

If you're pissed about his "negativity," maybe the cause is the product that's been on the field in recent years rather than his pathological hatred of Big Blue. Don't kill the messenger: demand more of the team so the messenger has more stuff to be positive about.

The Defense did pick up after we signed him. On the other hand, that defensive pickup also coincided with the break out of Will Hill. I'm sorry, I said then, and I still think it was Will Hill, not Beason who turned our defense around and made us respectable. Also, Beason's play last year was slightly more of a liability than a strength for us last year.... Hopefully we can chalk that up to him still slowly making his way back from injury, and can view that as not a reflection of his ceiling as a player.

Graziano is crazy, but he does leave out a few positive aspects of the Giants defense to make his argument. First of all, to say that Beason is very important to the Giants success IS a troublesome thought, because as good as he may be, I don't think he plays more than 12 games this season, and that is a generous number. So then who? Kennard? Yes, like the guy in year 2, but is he defensive QB material? maybe. McClain? Pretty good. Not expecting too much. Beyond that, what? Thomas and Casillas? eh.... not too excited about the LBs either. Yeah, the G Men need at least what JPP gave them last season in 2015, and Graziano didn't say a word about Moore, Ayers and Odigizooie, players who may or may not deserve mention. What he left out is a very good DT in Hankins, he is on the map and will be a force in 2015. Bromley still a hope, and Jenkins a solid guy. DRC will have a good season as will Prince. I think Collins will be a monster. Not all gloom and doom like Graziano, but with or without Beason, the LBs aint shit really.

Why is Beason more important to the NYG than we think?

the love tonight?