just didn't want to bother to show, taking the time off instead.
This is, possibly, JPP's one big shot at setting himself and his family up for life. He's not holding out on an already established contract or doing it in large part because he finds working out with the team tedious. He's doing exactly what almost every player that gets franchised does.
People going after him too hard for this really aren't being fair.
by mid-July if he doesn't sign the tender. Until then, he isn't. He'll report when he's under contract so he doesn't incur fines. This really isn't complicated.
^This.
I put this in the stickied thread, too. From Important Dates:
July 15 - Deadline for Giants to sign Franchise Player DE Jason Pierre-Paul to a long-term contract. After this date, Pierre-Paul may sign only a one-year contract with the Giants for the 2015 season, and such contract cannot be extended until after Giants last regular season game.
I don't think JPP is under any obligation to report until Week 10.
Not under contract - can't participate in anything - why is this an issue. As others have pointed out, every single NFL player in the same situation does this.
show up to work for free? He's not contractually obligated to go to the mini-camp until he signs his tender (although if I'm wrong, please correct me).
But if he signs his tender he'll be working for $15m. So he choosing to not get paid, right?
if you wouldn't keep JPP based on this news then you would have let every good player from the 80s walk as well. Guys like LT, Simms, Bavaro...all of them...they all held out and missed camps.
Second, JPP's first 5 years shits all over Strahan's first 5. JPP obviously has a long long way to go to build a career as good as Strahan, but a lot of you really seem to ignore how good JPP has been over the last 5 years. He has had ONE quiet year when he was coming off injury and the team wasn't going anywhere anyway--2013.
He can sign his 1 year tender and skip every practice and game until week 10. Play hard for 6 weeks and hit free agency. His market value will still be the same.
I can see there being some slight concern about JPP
but you guys act like it's a forgone conclusion that JPP will be an ineffective player in 2015 and beyond. BAsed on WHAT? One season when JPP was coming off back surgery and a season where he still played in most of the games?
Terps, you really don't trust veteran players at all. You wanted Strahan gone before the 07 season. I remember. You just don't trust veteran players. This too is beyond dispute.
What's more likely to happen? JPP plays well 3 of the next 4 seasons or JPP comes to camp 30 pds over weight every year and sucks ass from here on out? The guy has been a good player more often than not. Last year with really only one other viable starter on the DL through the first 3 months JPP was still a plus player. Once the DL settled in he dominated for good periods.
I just don't get where the harsh negativity stems from. You guys have really short memories and at the same time you are revisionists as well.
was Michael strahan a team player? I recall him holding out of an entire TRAINING camp.
The problem is we are putting in a new defense now and JPP needs to learn it. If he is worried about an injury waiver than just show up for the meeting and walk-throughs. He should be excited to start learning the new system.
I'm sorry but this sounds childish. Do you normally show up to work without getting paid for your time just because a new boss was hired?
why is anyone surprised that there's concern about JPP being ready
He can sign his 1 year tender and skip every practice and game until week 10. Play hard for 6 weeks and hit free agency. His market value will still be the same.
From giants#1 in the sticky, in response to my post:
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That's correct, though I think he can sign after week 10, but I believe he won't gain an accrued season if he does so he'd have to play the following season under the same franchise tag value (rather than the escalating tag value).
to be 'big timing' the Giants and sit out the mini. hes had 1 good year...and that was 4 years ago. id suggest he get his arse in camp for at least the meetings.
Gets really irked by that. Do your fucking job JPP, you get a paid a ton to do a job, now fucking do it.
The Ron Swanson in me however doesn't give a lick as long as he shows up in September ready to tear Tony Romo's head off.
As a fan, I'm delighted..Just be in shape when the bell rings for real
So, training camp doesn't mean anything, either, just like OTAs?
The "Just be in shape when the bell rings for real" means he needs just enough training camp to get his sealegs under him and start out fresh for a very long season..Do you know ANYONE who was ever in shape without some training camp? THAT'S what "just be in shape" means
there are major fines for not reporting to camp. So he would lose a lot of money by not reporting. He's going to report on the date he needs to in order to collect the $15 million for this year. He'll be at camp. All this anger here over this isn't surprising though. Such is the state of this website these days.
there are major fines for not reporting to camp. So he would lose a lot of money by not reporting. He's going to report on the date he needs to in order to collect the $15 million for this year. He'll be at camp. All this anger here over this isn't surprising though. Such is the state of this website these days.
Until JPP signs his FT, he isn't under contract. How can you fine a player who's not under contract?
his lifetime earnings, Pierre-Paul would be stupid to show up for any practices in excess of the bare minimum he feels necessary to get ready for the season.
+1
This is ugly business side and what you post is true.
Now-a-days, just cheer for whomever is wearing blue come Sept.
On one hand, he's missing time to learn Spags' defense.
But again, he's not going to endure any unnecessary risk. He can't be fined if he hasn't signed, so there's no monetary penalty for him missing minicamp. People point to July 15, but I doubt he signs by then, either. That date is simply the last day he can sign a long term deal. After that date, he can only play for the 1 year franchise tag value. Considering how far apart JPP and the team supposedly are, I don't think there's much chance of a long term deal anyway.
My guess is that to avoid losing money, he either need to be signed before the Giants play a preseason game, or definitely a regular season game. Whichever one that is, that's when he'll sign.
He can sign his 1 year tender and skip every practice and game until week 10. Play hard for 6 weeks and hit free agency. His market value will still be the same.
Trouble with this scenario is that if he skips every practice and game until week 10, I don't think the Giants would give him a uniform for the last 6 weeks. Wonder wht his market value would be then?
At least we know for a fact he won't be getting hurt at minicamp. And we need him to have a very good/great year, if we're going to go far this year. No more of this mediocre crap. But a legit great year. He's being paid like a great player this year, too.
And the whole "he's not being paid or "not under contract" is nonsense
He signs his tender he is guaranteed $15m. How is that not being paid? Whether the checks come now or in September they're guaranteed to come injured or not no matter what. This is just a bunch of posturing.
Go read how Dez, D. Thomas and J Houston will also not be at their teams mini camps - why - none of them have signed a contract
It continues to amaze me the number of Giants fans that really do not like this guy.and find ways to diminish what he does.
If Strahan had put up those numbers early to be in a position that JPP is in you can bet every cent you have he would not have gone to mini camp without a signed deal - no player does
but you guys act like it's a forgone conclusion that JPP will be an ineffective player in 2015 and beyond. BAsed on WHAT? One season when JPP was coming off back surgery and a season where he still played in most of the games?
Terps, you really don't trust veteran players at all. You wanted Strahan gone before the 07 season. I remember. You just don't trust veteran players. This too is beyond dispute.
What's more likely to happen? JPP plays well 3 of the next 4 seasons or JPP comes to camp 30 pds over weight every year and sucks ass from here on out? The guy has been a good player more often than not. Last year with really only one other viable starter on the DL through the first 3 months JPP was still a plus player. Once the DL settled in he dominated for good periods.
I just don't get where the harsh negativity stems from. You guys have really short memories and at the same time you are revisionists as well.
Not true at all. I trust veteran players all the time. I just don't trust a guy that showed up to camp out of shape when he was 23 years old to find a new career approach when he's 26, has miles on him, and is looking for a pay day.
And besides, it's not about trust. It's about perceived value, actual value, and anticipated future value. In JPP's case, I think his actual value doesn't approach his perceived value, and his future value will be even less than his actual value.
Yeah I wanted Strahan gone before 2007, and he played great down the stretch. I was wrong there. But JPP isn't Strahan. JPP is a 26 year old athletic freak with a history of conditioning issues and nagging injuries; Strahan was a 15 year vet that was a master of his craft and understood how to take care of his body. The only similarity is the position they played.
I also advised getting rid of Shockey and Plax while every Giant fan was still blowing those guys.
Perceived value. Actual value. Future value. If you think JPP is going to be 2011 JPP, then you pay him what he wants. I'd bet quite a bit we never see that JPP again.
Even on this thread you have numerous rationalizations about
Is to start learning Spag's new system. I understand and agree that he should probably not practice due to his contract not being signed (although I am still hoping he can come to some longer term agreement with the team).
But, even if he is not out there training full out with the team, he can still be in meetings, bonding with the rookies and showing the rookies how a dedicated veteran who wants to win behaves. He could do walk-throughs with the team.
This is a whole new defense. Just because he is a DE does not mean he can show up at the last minute and know all the calls, plays and timing.
I want the Giants to win, maybe a little too much. But as an outside fan, I don't know all the ins and outs of daily life as an NFL pro. I just want whats best for the team to have the best shot (a long shot, for sure) at making it to the playoffs.
He can sign his 1 year tender and skip every practice and game until week 10. Play hard for 6 weeks and hit free agency. His market value will still be the same.
Trouble with this scenario is that if he skips every practice and game until week 10, I don't think the Giants would give him a uniform for the last 6 weeks. Wonder wht his market value would be then?
Dave in Md referred to "major fines". The fines are capped in the CBA and isn't based on a percentage of player's earnings. Skipping all of training camp after signing his tender will likely only cost JPP a couple hundred thousand. When you are making 15 mil, a couple hundred thousand is peanuts.
Now, the real money starts when he misses game checks. But even then, it isn't about the money rather preserving one's health to hit the open market. Whether the Giants bench him or not, he has to show up by Week 10 in order to accrue a year of service. Earn a game check for 6 weeks and hit the open market. The Giants won't tag him again. I doubt his market value will be hurt when players such as Greg Hardy can land a 11+ million dollar contract when he hasn't played a down in over a year.
Dave in Md referred to "major fines". The fines are capped in the CBA and isn't based on a percentage of player's earnings. Skipping all of training camp after signing his tender will likely only cost JPP a couple hundred thousand. When you are making 15 mil, a couple hundred thousand is peanuts.
Now, the real money starts when he misses game checks. But even then, it isn't about the money rather preserving one's health to hit the open market. Whether the Giants bench him or not, he has to show up by Week 10 in order to accrue a year of service. Earn a game check for 6 weeks and hit the open market. The Giants won't tag him again. I doubt his market value will be hurt when players such as Greg Hardy can land a 11+ million dollar contract when he hasn't played a down in over a year.
Hey, you could be right. Hard to see how flushing $10m down the drain is going to be made up in a FA contract when you haven't played in a year. The $11m Hardy got won't do it. But, anything is possible.
JPP isn't going to sign his tender and then NOT show up to camp.
Here's the reality...
--JPP doesn't have to sign his tender at all, but if he doesn't sign it by week 10, he loses credit for a season and can be retagged at the same value.
--If JPP signs his tender by week 10, he gets credit for the season and it will cost the Giants $18M to re-tender him in 2016.
--For as long as JPP's tender remains unsigned, he is not subject to any fines what so ever.
--When he is ready to re-join the team (whether before training camp, during training camp, right before the season, or in the middle of the season), that will be when he shows up to sign his tender and begin getting paid.
--The downside of him waiting to sign his tender until after the season has begun is that he loses a game check (roughly $900K) for each game he has missed.
How much will he get fined for missing all of training camp?
Subtract that total from the 15 million guarenteed he's going to probably get from the tag for this season. And if that total is still higher than everyone on our teams salary (except Eli), then we won't see him til @ Dallas week 1 I think
at the way we throw these numbers around. I understand it, I understand the reality of having a unique & valuable skill set just as I understand the efficacy (and flaws) of the capitalistic system.
I question myself: Did it bother me as much when men like JP Morgan, Carnegie and Rockefeller warped the system to their own aggrandizement as when young black men profit themselves.? So is there a touch of racism there?
I don't think so, and the general populice profited materially from the efficienies that made Carnegie, Edison, Vanderbilt and Rockefeller rich, but to me there's madness in the way we talk about a 26 yr. old making 18 million a year. And see, the madness and the indictment isn't really about them; it's on us, sitting here like excessive compulsives, checking our sites before or with the morning's coffee; spending hard earned money from modest salaries so we can wear a Jersey with our hero's (usually a thoughtless boy's) name on it to a stadium we have to buy a licence to be overcharged in, and that , unto itself, stands as a temple to mendacity and not grandness. Rome, at the end, built it's coliseums as an opiate for their masses while the system decayed.
I, I think, must have an empty life to be so consumed, so out of balance. We are part of something that's become unattractive and no longer a casual game to be casually enjoyed. There has to be gentler and more worthwhile things to do with our time.
I make a vow each year to wean myself and this year I think i'll make that work.
at the way we throw these numbers around. I understand it, I understand the reality of having a unique & valuable skill set just as I understand the efficacy (and flaws) of the capitalistic system.
I question myself: Did it bother me as much when men like JP Morgan, Carnegie and Rockefeller warped the system to their own aggrandizement as when young black men profit themselves.? So is there a touch of racism there?
I don't think so, and the general populice profited materially from the efficienies that made Carnegie, Edison, Vanderbilt and Rockefeller rich, but to me there's madness in the way we talk about a 26 yr. old making 18 million a year. And see, the madness and the indictment isn't really about them; it's on us, sitting here like excessive compulsives, checking our sites before or with the morning's coffee; spending hard earned money from modest salaries so we can wear a Jersey with our hero's (usually a thoughtless boy's) name on it to a stadium we have to buy a licence to be overcharged in, and that , unto itself, stands as a temple to mendacity and not grandness. Rome, at the end, built it's coliseums as an opiate for their masses while the system decayed.
I, I think, must have an empty life to be so consumed, so out of balance. We are part of something that's become unattractive and no longer a casual game to be casually enjoyed. There has to be gentler and more worthwhile things to do with our time.
I make a vow each year to wean myself and this year I think i'll make that work.
hes become a real headache. 1/2 of his sacks last year came against the worst teams in football ( Tennessee, Washington, and Jacksonville)
he had 2 seperate stretches of 4 games w/o a sack. hes not worth this contract. send him packing, cleat some cap, bring in some draft picks and go sign Evan MAthis.
I also happen to agree regarding JPP. He is not Strahan. And he shows no evidence of being locker room presence like Strahan became either. Could he be? I guess anything is possible. i wouldn't bet on it though.
i'm just glad there is really not a player we missed out on because of locking up this money with JPP. But honestly, I don't want to resign him, i just don't want to commit years to him nevermind money. Just is not the guy I feel confident with the Giants trying to build the franchise around. Most will disagree and that is fine, I'm in the minority on this so I can respect that.
This is, possibly, JPP's one big shot at setting himself and his family up for life. He's not holding out on an already established contract or doing it in large part because he finds working out with the team tedious. He's doing exactly what almost every player that gets franchised does.
People going after him too hard for this really aren't being fair.
^This.
I don't think JPP is under any obligation to report until Week 10.
Second, JPP's first 5 years shits all over Strahan's first 5. JPP obviously has a long long way to go to build a career as good as Strahan, but a lot of you really seem to ignore how good JPP has been over the last 5 years. He has had ONE quiet year when he was coming off injury and the team wasn't going anywhere anyway--2013.
Terps, you really don't trust veteran players at all. You wanted Strahan gone before the 07 season. I remember. You just don't trust veteran players. This too is beyond dispute.
What's more likely to happen? JPP plays well 3 of the next 4 seasons or JPP comes to camp 30 pds over weight every year and sucks ass from here on out? The guy has been a good player more often than not. Last year with really only one other viable starter on the DL through the first 3 months JPP was still a plus player. Once the DL settled in he dominated for good periods.
I just don't get where the harsh negativity stems from. You guys have really short memories and at the same time you are revisionists as well.
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was Michael strahan a team player? I recall him holding out of an entire TRAINING camp.
The problem is we are putting in a new defense now and JPP needs to learn it. If he is worried about an injury waiver than just show up for the meeting and walk-throughs. He should be excited to start learning the new system.
I'm sorry but this sounds childish. Do you normally show up to work without getting paid for your time just because a new boss was hired?
From giants#1 in the sticky, in response to my post:
The Ron Swanson in me however doesn't give a lick as long as he shows up in September ready to tear Tony Romo's head off.
As a fan, I'm delighted..Just be in shape when the bell rings for real
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Gets really irked by that. Do your fucking job JPP, you get a paid a ton to do a job, now fucking do it.
The Ron Swanson in me however doesn't give a lick as long as he shows up in September ready to tear Tony Romo's head off.
As a fan, I'm delighted..Just be in shape when the bell rings for real
So, training camp doesn't mean anything, either, just like OTAs?
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Gets really irked by that. Do your fucking job JPP, you get a paid a ton to do a job, now fucking do it.
The Ron Swanson in me however doesn't give a lick as long as he shows up in September ready to tear Tony Romo's head off.
As a fan, I'm delighted..Just be in shape when the bell rings for real
So, training camp doesn't mean anything, either, just like OTAs?
The "Just be in shape when the bell rings for real" means he needs just enough training camp to get his sealegs under him and start out fresh for a very long season..Do you know ANYONE who was ever in shape without some training camp? THAT'S what "just be in shape" means
Until JPP signs his FT, he isn't under contract. How can you fine a player who's not under contract?
+1
This is ugly business side and what you post is true.
Now-a-days, just cheer for whomever is wearing blue come Sept.
But again, he's not going to endure any unnecessary risk. He can't be fined if he hasn't signed, so there's no monetary penalty for him missing minicamp. People point to July 15, but I doubt he signs by then, either. That date is simply the last day he can sign a long term deal. After that date, he can only play for the 1 year franchise tag value. Considering how far apart JPP and the team supposedly are, I don't think there's much chance of a long term deal anyway.
My guess is that to avoid losing money, he either need to be signed before the Giants play a preseason game, or definitely a regular season game. Whichever one that is, that's when he'll sign.
Trouble with this scenario is that if he skips every practice and game until week 10, I don't think the Giants would give him a uniform for the last 6 weeks. Wonder wht his market value would be then?
Floyd got banned because he was an annoying troll. Hopefully, you'll join him soon.
It continues to amaze me the number of Giants fans that really do not like this guy.and find ways to diminish what he does.
If Strahan had put up those numbers early to be in a position that JPP is in you can bet every cent you have he would not have gone to mini camp without a signed deal - no player does
No.
Terps, you really don't trust veteran players at all. You wanted Strahan gone before the 07 season. I remember. You just don't trust veteran players. This too is beyond dispute.
What's more likely to happen? JPP plays well 3 of the next 4 seasons or JPP comes to camp 30 pds over weight every year and sucks ass from here on out? The guy has been a good player more often than not. Last year with really only one other viable starter on the DL through the first 3 months JPP was still a plus player. Once the DL settled in he dominated for good periods.
I just don't get where the harsh negativity stems from. You guys have really short memories and at the same time you are revisionists as well.
Not true at all. I trust veteran players all the time. I just don't trust a guy that showed up to camp out of shape when he was 23 years old to find a new career approach when he's 26, has miles on him, and is looking for a pay day.
And besides, it's not about trust. It's about perceived value, actual value, and anticipated future value. In JPP's case, I think his actual value doesn't approach his perceived value, and his future value will be even less than his actual value.
Yeah I wanted Strahan gone before 2007, and he played great down the stretch. I was wrong there. But JPP isn't Strahan. JPP is a 26 year old athletic freak with a history of conditioning issues and nagging injuries; Strahan was a 15 year vet that was a master of his craft and understood how to take care of his body. The only similarity is the position they played.
I also advised getting rid of Shockey and Plax while every Giant fan was still blowing those guys.
Perceived value. Actual value. Future value. If you think JPP is going to be 2011 JPP, then you pay him what he wants. I'd bet quite a bit we never see that JPP again.
Objectivity is not a strong suit when it comes to fans.
But, even if he is not out there training full out with the team, he can still be in meetings, bonding with the rookies and showing the rookies how a dedicated veteran who wants to win behaves. He could do walk-throughs with the team.
This is a whole new defense. Just because he is a DE does not mean he can show up at the last minute and know all the calls, plays and timing.
I want the Giants to win, maybe a little too much. But as an outside fan, I don't know all the ins and outs of daily life as an NFL pro. I just want whats best for the team to have the best shot (a long shot, for sure) at making it to the playoffs.
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He can sign his 1 year tender and skip every practice and game until week 10. Play hard for 6 weeks and hit free agency. His market value will still be the same.
Trouble with this scenario is that if he skips every practice and game until week 10, I don't think the Giants would give him a uniform for the last 6 weeks. Wonder wht his market value would be then?
Dave in Md referred to "major fines". The fines are capped in the CBA and isn't based on a percentage of player's earnings. Skipping all of training camp after signing his tender will likely only cost JPP a couple hundred thousand. When you are making 15 mil, a couple hundred thousand is peanuts.
Now, the real money starts when he misses game checks. But even then, it isn't about the money rather preserving one's health to hit the open market. Whether the Giants bench him or not, he has to show up by Week 10 in order to accrue a year of service. Earn a game check for 6 weeks and hit the open market. The Giants won't tag him again. I doubt his market value will be hurt when players such as Greg Hardy can land a 11+ million dollar contract when he hasn't played a down in over a year.
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Dave in Md referred to "major fines". The fines are capped in the CBA and isn't based on a percentage of player's earnings. Skipping all of training camp after signing his tender will likely only cost JPP a couple hundred thousand. When you are making 15 mil, a couple hundred thousand is peanuts.
Now, the real money starts when he misses game checks. But even then, it isn't about the money rather preserving one's health to hit the open market. Whether the Giants bench him or not, he has to show up by Week 10 in order to accrue a year of service. Earn a game check for 6 weeks and hit the open market. The Giants won't tag him again. I doubt his market value will be hurt when players such as Greg Hardy can land a 11+ million dollar contract when he hasn't played a down in over a year.
Hey, you could be right. Hard to see how flushing $10m down the drain is going to be made up in a FA contract when you haven't played in a year. The $11m Hardy got won't do it. But, anything is possible.
Florio suggests this exact scenario with the Chiefs and Justin Houston.
Lonk - ( New Window )
--JPP doesn't have to sign his tender at all, but if he doesn't sign it by week 10, he loses credit for a season and can be retagged at the same value.
--If JPP signs his tender by week 10, he gets credit for the season and it will cost the Giants $18M to re-tender him in 2016.
--For as long as JPP's tender remains unsigned, he is not subject to any fines what so ever.
--When he is ready to re-join the team (whether before training camp, during training camp, right before the season, or in the middle of the season), that will be when he shows up to sign his tender and begin getting paid.
--The downside of him waiting to sign his tender until after the season has begun is that he loses a game check (roughly $900K) for each game he has missed.
I question myself: Did it bother me as much when men like JP Morgan, Carnegie and Rockefeller warped the system to their own aggrandizement as when young black men profit themselves.? So is there a touch of racism there?
I don't think so, and the general populice profited materially from the efficienies that made Carnegie, Edison, Vanderbilt and Rockefeller rich, but to me there's madness in the way we talk about a 26 yr. old making 18 million a year. And see, the madness and the indictment isn't really about them; it's on us, sitting here like excessive compulsives, checking our sites before or with the morning's coffee; spending hard earned money from modest salaries so we can wear a Jersey with our hero's (usually a thoughtless boy's) name on it to a stadium we have to buy a licence to be overcharged in, and that , unto itself, stands as a temple to mendacity and not grandness. Rome, at the end, built it's coliseums as an opiate for their masses while the system decayed.
I, I think, must have an empty life to be so consumed, so out of balance. We are part of something that's become unattractive and no longer a casual game to be casually enjoyed. There has to be gentler and more worthwhile things to do with our time.
I make a vow each year to wean myself and this year I think i'll make that work.
I question myself: Did it bother me as much when men like JP Morgan, Carnegie and Rockefeller warped the system to their own aggrandizement as when young black men profit themselves.? So is there a touch of racism there?
I don't think so, and the general populice profited materially from the efficienies that made Carnegie, Edison, Vanderbilt and Rockefeller rich, but to me there's madness in the way we talk about a 26 yr. old making 18 million a year. And see, the madness and the indictment isn't really about them; it's on us, sitting here like excessive compulsives, checking our sites before or with the morning's coffee; spending hard earned money from modest salaries so we can wear a Jersey with our hero's (usually a thoughtless boy's) name on it to a stadium we have to buy a licence to be overcharged in, and that , unto itself, stands as a temple to mendacity and not grandness. Rome, at the end, built it's coliseums as an opiate for their masses while the system decayed.
I, I think, must have an empty life to be so consumed, so out of balance. We are part of something that's become unattractive and no longer a casual game to be casually enjoyed. There has to be gentler and more worthwhile things to do with our time.
I make a vow each year to wean myself and this year I think i'll make that work.
So posting online 24/7 isn't healthy? Go Mets?
hes become a real headache. 1/2 of his sacks last year came against the worst teams in football ( Tennessee, Washington, and Jacksonville)
he had 2 seperate stretches of 4 games w/o a sack. hes not worth this contract. send him packing, cleat some cap, bring in some draft picks and go sign Evan MAthis.
Good comments.
Value. Actual. Perceived. Future.
I also happen to agree regarding JPP. He is not Strahan. And he shows no evidence of being locker room presence like Strahan became either. Could he be? I guess anything is possible. i wouldn't bet on it though.
i'm just glad there is really not a player we missed out on because of locking up this money with JPP. But honestly, I don't want to resign him, i just don't want to commit years to him nevermind money. Just is not the guy I feel confident with the Giants trying to build the franchise around. Most will disagree and that is fine, I'm in the minority on this so I can respect that.