Am I the only one who's wondering why Schwartz

But,
1. they haven't even put pads on yet
2. I'm not sure Jerry is any better than Newhouse, so it probably makes sense to play Schwartz at his best position (RG).
3. TE/RB will be chipping the LDE a lot this year.

a little surprised. I am also surprised they haven't at least practiced with that combo a little bit.

and they'll have a better understanding of what may be the best combination of players as the summer progresses, but Schwartz was brought in as a RG after having a great season for KC at RG a few years ago. He's barely had a chance to play there so far as a Giant and I think it's worth seeing what he can do there until making a potential switch.

In comment 12331943 Eric from BBI said:

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a little surprised. I am also surprised they haven't at least practiced with that combo a little bit.

Eric, I appreciate your quick reply and had a feeling this was something that crossed your mind as well. I remember last offseason you discussing idea of Pugh moving inside and Schwartz as a guy who could be a good fit to play RT.

My thought is more based along the idea that Jerry is a capable starter. He had his bad moments/games last year but also showed promise on some plays. He moves well for a big man and while inconsistent as a run blocker, is better in pass protection than most on here give him credit for (anyone would have looked bad next to Walton last season.

I guess I'm as/if not more comfortable with Jerry at right guard than Schwartz and not very high on Newhouse. He was brought in to be the swing tackle and should stay in that role for now.

I'm less sure that Schwartz-Newhouse is better than Jerry-Schwartz, however. I suspect that we won't make the move to Schwartz at RT unless Newhouse bombs in training camp and preseason, however.

In comment 12331959 yatqb said:

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I'm less sure that Schwartz-Newhouse is better than Jerry-Schwartz, however. I suspect that we won't make the move to Schwartz at RT unless Newhouse bombs in training camp and preseason, however.

Yes, this is my point/thinking exactly. Not saying Schwartz is necessarily better at RT than RG but I think Jerry at RG and Schwartz at RT is the best combination on the right side.

Obviously camp and preseason games will help determine this eventually. I am just shocked they haven't been working with this combination yet in practice (as Eric stated).

In comment 12331970 NYGmen58 said:

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In comment 12331959 yatqb said: Quote: I'm less sure that Schwartz-Newhouse is better than Jerry-Schwartz, however. I suspect that we won't make the move to Schwartz at RT unless Newhouse bombs in training camp and preseason, however. Yes, this is my point/thinking exactly. Not saying Schwartz is necessarily better at RT than RG but I think Jerry at RG and Schwartz at RT is the best combination on the right side. Obviously camp and preseason games will help determine this eventually. I am just shocked they haven't been working with this combination yet in practice (as Eric stated).

You'll probably see some of that, but Schwartz needs to stay at his strongest position in camp. Cohesion must start from day 1.

It wasn't pretty. They couldn't move him back to RG fast enough.

John Jerry can't run-block to save his life, and his pass-blocking isn't much better. He's a back-up at best.

Newhouse wasn't signed to start. He's only starting now because of the injury to Beatty. My hope is that one of the younger O-Linemen shows enough to send him back to the bench where he belongs.

But he's not as good a player as Schwartz. No even really close. They did start Schwartz at RT but it was an emergency situation as was the whole OL last year.

It doesn't make our offense better. Yes, it would be nice to have flexibility but I think people are missing the point here. Our guards were awful last year and in this offense you can argue that your guards are more important than your tackles. This has been mentioned numbers times that the way to beat offenses that get rid of the ball quickly is to get pressure up the middle. I have made the point that it is extremely hard to give a guard help. It is much easier to give a tackle help with a TE or RB. You can also line up a WR tight too to chip. I don't see how moving Schwartz to tackle helps us out because I feel he isn't as good of a player as when he is at guard. On top of that, who is the next man in? That is more of the question that needs to be answered.

In comment 12332034 Klaatu said:

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Quote: NFL Network replayed the Jags game from last year Bold Ruler : Mod : 1:39 pm : link : reply Hard to watch. Reminded again how terrible Jerry is. He gets blown up, pushed back and passed by the defender regularly. RBs getting stuffed, Eli getting sacked or hit. Jerry is the worst starting player on this team and it's not even close.

Klaatu. He was coming off surgery, I believe, and was signed as a backup. He got pressed into full time service because of, of course, injury. The Giants signed him this offseason to a 2 year $3.3m contract so they must this he's quite a bit better than most do around here. And I was pointing pointing out he wasn't as good as Schwartz unlike the OP. I think he's a backup, too.

With the injury, to Beatty Plan A has already been crossed off the list.

Right now Newhouse is getting first team snaps because he's the Vet. with starting experience. I would be surprised if Mosley or Bamiro aren't give a chance to unseat during training camp.

If all else fails, you will probably see Schwartz. Besides Schwartz being the better guard & wishing your starting line to gel, Schwartz seems to be getting limited snaps; he is still not 100%.

Do it!

Isn't Schwartz still recovering from surgery? I believe that's why he and Jerry were splitting time at guard - the team does not want Schwartz taking on too much too early.

That might explain why, even if they think he might be an option at RT, they didn't ask him to play more than one position in his limited snaps.

1. Once Will B. returns they will want to change as little as possible, so it make sense to put Pugh and Schwartz at their long term positions.

2. The team will have a second year player at center, who played at guard his rookie year. Putting Schwartz next to him at RG will help provide cover for our young center as he gets acclimated to playing center in the NFL

In comment 12332297 Beer Man said:

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1. Once Will B. returns they will want to change as little as possible, so it make sense to put Pugh and Schwartz at their long term positions. 2. The team will have a second year player at center, who played at guard his rookie year. Putting Schwartz next to him at RG will help provide cover for our young center as he gets acclimated to playing center in the NFL

Do you think Beatty is coming back? I think once Flowers has started the season at LT he'll be there forever if he doesn't struggle too much. Beatty's got no other position he can play. We may have seen the last of WB.

Once he's ready to play, I would expect him to be the RT. Not saying it's his best position but he will be better than who ever else has been starting.

In comment 12332388 Watson said:

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Once he's ready to play, I would expect him to be the RT. Not saying it's his best position but he will be better than who ever else has been starting.

Don't remember him playing RT but it's a thought considering who they have.

Why would they move him to RT?

Beatty started 4 games at RT his rookie year. Thought it was more but maybe because I remembered being impressed. With the best teams having multiple pass rushing threats & moving them around, an RT with quick feet & technically sound isn't the worst thing.

In either case, let's hope the rookie isn't struggling and Beatty has to go back to his old spot.

better at G than Schwartz, then Reese fucked up big time bringing in Schwartz at fairly big bucks to play G.

now, if you want to ask whether there'd be a better combination with Schwartz at Tackle, given our current situation, there might be a discussion to be had.

Jerry better than Schwartz is a slam on Reese.

Schwartz' best position is RG and Newhouse is probably better than Jerry, so what is the upside?

In comment 12332495 fkap said:

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better at G than Schwartz, then Reese fucked up big time bringing in Schwartz at fairly big bucks to play G. now, if you want to ask whether there'd be a better combination with Schwartz at Tackle, given our current situation, there might be a discussion to be had. Jerry better than Schwartz is a slam on Reese.

Reese make a mistake? Never!!!!

and building cohesion, potentially leaving only RT to be changed when Beatty's healthy.

In comment 12332766 JonC said:

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and building cohesion, potentially leaving only RT to be changed when Beatty's healthy.

More than likely, that is the primary reason.
I'd also guess that they think if they were forced to move Schwartz or Pugh they both have enough experience to do it on the fly.

and not contribute much to the team for it, its not his fault but I'm just saying

offseason workouts are about passing offense and defense

for this year, Pugh-Flowers-Richburg-Jerry-Schwartz is the best it will get. I know that Flowers is supposed to be the LOT but I remain unconvinced (for this year).

if it were to be true.

is exactly true.
no matter which way you slice it, our plans were fucked up when Beatty's muscle went twang. There is only one hope, and that's that Flowers repeats our striking gold ala OBJ. It's a hope (that the rookie #1 is a stud right out of the starting gate) that goes on every year. and more often than not, you're going to be disappointed if you pin your hopes on it. Most often, you should be happy if the # has moderate contribution.

Flowers not being a starter anywhere on the line year one is an extreme disappointment. Flowers not being the LOT year one is a realistic possibility, just as Flowers not being all that effective at LOT year one is a realistic possibility. being good at LOT is a hope, and a possibility, but if you're putting all your eggs in that basket, disappointment may be on the horizon.

and Jerry starting, a horrific proposition.

Pugh, EF, GS.

does well and no injuries and we are competitive still by the team Beatty returns do they:

a) Put Beatty at LT and move Flowers to RT?
b) Put Beatty at RT?
c) No Beatty.
d) Put Beatty at LT and bench Flowers?

everyone playing where you want them to relies in large part on Flowers being adequate at LT in year one. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a rookie might not be up to the task of manning the premium line spot. after you reassign him, and reassign someone else to LT, your plans have gone awry. Unless one of the other backups rise up to push Jerry off the starter list, you have to do the best you can with what you have. agree with you that first preference is to have everyone where they're supposed to be, and that Giants will try that first. I guess I don't think one should be extremely disappointed at an outcome that is a realistic possibility.

Although that's where he most likely would have played this year if Will Beatty hadn't gotten hurt. They certainly didn't draft him to play Guard. They drafted him because they viewed him as their Left Tackle-of-the-Future. Well, the future is now. No doubt he'll experience some growing pains, but he's smart, athletic, strong as an ox, and he doesn't take any crap from anybody.

The Giants planned on moving Justin Pugh from Right Tackle to Left Guard long before the draft, long before Beatty got hurt, and I'm glad to see they're sticking with the plan. Why? Because although Pugh was serviceable at RT, he has the potential to be outstanding at LG. I think he can be another Marshal Yanda, and I believe the Giants think so, too.

With Weston Richburg going back to Center, his natural position, the Giants will have 3/5 of their O-Line set.

The only question with Geoff Schwartz is his durability, and obviously it's a big question. There's no question, though, about what his best position is: Right Guard. That's where he played his entire college career, that's where he made his bones as a pro, and that's what prompted PFF to rate him as the #1 UFA Guard in 2014. We need him to stay relatively healthy in 2015, but we don't need to move him to Right Tackle. What we could use is a better backup at the position, hedging our bets on Schwartz's health, and I hope that one of our younger O-Linemen can step up this summer and keep John Jerry on the bench.

Marshall Newhouse should be sent back to the bench, too. Although JonC has said that the Giants are high on him, I can't imagine why? Again, I'm hoping that one of our younger O-Linemen steps up this summer.

Understood, but I'm rolling with this group finally stepping up and coming together as the younger talent pushes the whole.

In comment 12336067 JonC said:

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Understood, but I'm rolling with this group finally stepping up and coming together as the younger talent pushes the whole.

JonC, I hope your starting lineup works out. Like fcap, I too have doubts about Flowers at LT. It's not so much Flowers himself, it's that often rookie Oline guys take a year or so to be able to play LT. The last thing you want to do at LOT is have a guy there that would likely have your QB taking a lot of hits.

I do have confidence the Giants coaching knows this and will put the best guy for LT at LT by the time they start the practice games.

because I think they'll stick with the left side of Flowers-Pugh-Richburg unless they're absolutely terrible. I believe Flowers is going to be just fine at LT, and they've shown confidence in him right away. Prospects with his talent and attitude tend to swim well before long.

...I think you are mistaken about Geoff Schwartz's Duck days:

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The only question with Geoff Schwartz is his durability, and obviously it's a big question. There's no question, though, about what his best position is: Right Guard. That's where he played his entire college career, that's where he made his bones as a pro, and that's what prompted PFF to rate him as the #1 UFA Guard in 2014.

Actually, Schwartz played right tackle almost exclusively in college. I don't think he played guard at all.

My bad. Damn my eyes! I completely misread his Wikipedia entry.