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Kuhn or Bromley? Which do you prefer?

superspynyg : 6/18/2015 7:53 am
For the 4th DT spot? I know that Jenkins, Hankins and Ellis will be rotating this season and are locks to make the roster. So who do you prefer be the next guy? I had high hopes for Bromley but he has not showed anything. Kuhn has had some injury but did not wow when he was in there. Has Kuhn been getting more snaps in OTAs and mini camp?

I think that I would like to see Bromley win the 4th spot with Kuhn as a 5th/practice squad guy.
kuhn is terrible  
Tuckrule : 6/18/2015 7:55 am : link
has no base. gets pushed around and is usually 5 yard down field in the wrong direction. Bromley has to be better than Kuhn otherwise we are in trouble.

any chance we start hankins and ellis?
The best guy?  
Headhunter : 6/18/2015 7:55 am : link
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Kuhn is not eligible  
aquidneck : 6/18/2015 8:00 am : link
for PS. But he has been starting at mini camp. Spags has said nice things about him.

The Giants have other choices at DT, but for now it's Kuhn and Hankins.

Bromley is a young guy with good body, great attitude and excellent chance to ascend. He makes the roster and plays this year, definitely.
RE: The best guy?  
superspynyg : 6/18/2015 8:01 am : link
In comment 12332711 Headhunter said:
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Do you not have an opinion on who you think that is?
If bromley lost a leg  
djm : 6/18/2015 8:07 am : link
I'd still want him to win the job over Kuhn.
Kuhn is hard worker  
Giants2012 : 6/18/2015 8:08 am : link
while it would be disappointing if Bromley didn't beat him out for more reps when the real games begin.
Special Teams has been a factor  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 6/18/2015 8:18 am : link
for Kuhn until now.

Looks like he'll have to nut up or shut up.

Working with 1s at the start of training camp may just mean they want to see what he can do.
Kuhn getting the hate again  
aquidneck : 6/18/2015 8:18 am : link
But I'd bet money he makes the 53 (barring injury). Ellis is here on a one-year contract, remember.

DT spot next to Hankins looks like open competition to me.

...and there will be a lot of room for role players in specialty packages.
Kuhn isn't "doughy" enough for my liking...  
Capt. Don : 6/18/2015 8:33 am : link
Bromley? plenty of dough.
Kuhn  
AcidTest : 6/18/2015 8:43 am : link
works hard, but as somebody said gets pushed around. He seems to absorb blocks. Absent injuries, I think it will be hard for him to make the team.
Bromley, without question  
JonC : 6/18/2015 8:57 am : link
given he's the player with the upside and talent. Kuhn's a hard worker and good teammate by all accounts, but there's also a ceiling on the upside talent and production to this point.

If it has clicked and they feel really good about a player, it saves roster spots by waiving a Kuhn, a Selvie or Ayers, etc.
I have no faith in Kuhn, but apparently Nunn does,  
yatqb : 6/18/2015 8:58 am : link
as he's said that now, at 320 pounds, Kuhn is gonna have a great year. Hard to imagine, but time will tell.

I'd love for Bromley to be a great 3 technique for us...we need to hit on him.
No offense..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/18/2015 8:59 am : link
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superspynyg : 8:01 am : link : reply
In comment 12332711 Headhunter said:
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Do you not have an opinion on who you think that is?


But what good are opinions of fans who haven't really seen either player this year? All this type of exercise accomplishes is to build expectations up or lower expectations that are based on faulty criteria and perception.

I mean, for a lot of BBI'ers, Kuhn will always perform as he has in the past, and Bromley will always be a reach of a draft pick until they prove otherwise, and prove that to a vast majority of people who have no clue what the fuck they are supposed to be looking for in a DL player.

In that capacity, Headhunter's response makes sense. The best guy is a great answer and the one I'd like to see.

The best guy - as seen by the staff - not by some schmuck who consistently seems to not know what the hell he is looking at.
Kuhn is terrible, and he's not even young  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2015 9:00 am : link
He's 29. What exactly is the payoff with this guy supposed to be?
Khun palyed more as a rookie than Bromley did  
WillieYoung : 6/18/2015 9:01 am : link
He may be this year's BBI punching bag but the coaches have gone out of their way to compliment him this spring. I don't think Jenkins is in their plan at DT unless it is as a swing player who can provide depth at end as well. I think both make it.
they've been complimenting Kuhn since the day he arrived  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2015 9:10 am : link
And he's awful. He's one of Coughlin's pets, like Ware or Tollefson were for years. He always has a few of these guys around who are good soldiers and work hard and show enthusiasm but can't play a lick.
RE: Khun palyed more as a rookie than Bromley did  
Mason : 6/18/2015 9:15 am : link
In comment 12332784 WillieYoung said:
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He may be this year's BBI punching bag but the coaches have gone out of their way to compliment him this spring. I don't think Jenkins is in their plan at DT unless it is as a swing player who can provide depth at end as well. I think both make it.


^^^ Seems more of a statement about Jenkins being near done at DT. His play suffered a lot last season to me. Maybe new coaching personnel agrees with such assessment.
And what Greg said too  
Mason : 6/18/2015 9:21 am : link
He's one of Coughlin "guys" like Herz and Cordle. Somehow they never get his wraith but some talented guy earns his fury for not playing at full strength.
Agree with JonC. Couldn't say it any better.  
Curtis in VA : 6/18/2015 9:21 am : link
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Jenkins is on his way out unless he can contribute at DT  
JonC : 6/18/2015 9:23 am : link
He's not a strong rusher off the edge and they've got talent at DE that can play two-ways. He's a good character guy and has a good reputation, young dudes can learn a lot from him, but his core value is at DT.

If they keep five DT's, one of them is Jenkins as he can play DT/DE, they cut loose a DE (Selvie or Ayers), and still might need to find a roster spot with a cut elsewhere as the DL would stand at ten players when they normally keep nine.

RE: they've been complimenting Kuhn since the day he arrived  
CromartiesKid21 : 6/18/2015 9:24 am : link
In comment 12332800 Greg from LI said:
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And he's awful. He's one of Coughlin's pets, like Ware or Tollefson were for years. He always has a few of these guys around who are good soldiers and work hard and show enthusiasm but can't play a lick.


Nail on head. Im sure a Syracuse or BC tie maybe some time spent at West Point or college team captain or a feel good story is mixed in with each of these Coach's pets.
Surprises  
grizz299 : 6/18/2015 9:28 am : link
here. We have a host of DE's who can go inside. Avery, Odi, JJP and Wynn. I wouldn't be surprised if they went with 6 DE's (the 4 above plus Selvy and Moore) and 3 DT's and both Jenkins and Kuhen hit the yellow brick road. That might enable you to devote another roster spot to keeping a very fine WR - where I think we have a surplus of talent.

Just a thought and maybe too daring to ever happen, but I don't think Hankins or Ellis are going to be on the field in third and longs.....Moore, Avery/Bromley, Wynn/Odi, JPP

No preference...  
Strip-Sack : 6/18/2015 9:32 am : link
I would assume Bromley offers more as a pass rusher but impossible to really distinguish at this point. Kuhn's been a punching bag for a few posters since he arrived for some odd reason but he's a rotational guy on the DL who was picked in the 7th round If he offers more in Spags system, great, if not...not. The coaches must see something in him. How many 7th round DT's are ripping it up in the NFL?
Kuhn is the Sinorice Moss of DT's  
g-baby : 6/18/2015 9:38 am : link
Looks good in the offseason and practice, but once live bullets start flying, he just doesn't perform.

He definitely passes the eye test. He's enormous, seems to have a little "nasty" in him, and by all accounts is a good teammate. But I just don't think he's a football player.

I'm hopeful Bromley will flash early and become more consistent as the season goes on.

I think we have a little more flexibility with the DT's from a pass rushing perspective as Hankins has legitimate juice to get after the passer. Very few interior OL can handle him one-on-one. If he can stay in shape to remain on the field for more third downs, we have a lot more options (sliding a DE inside) for our pressure packages.
Bromley  
gmen9892 : 6/18/2015 9:43 am : link
Hands down. Guy was a 3rd round pick. They did not draft him to be JAG at that point. The Giants scouts clearly saw something in this guy that warranted using a high pick on him. If he can't beat out a 7th round draft pick who has been underwhelming at best, then that's not a good look.
of course Bromley needs to perform on the field, but  
SirYesSir : 6/18/2015 9:53 am : link
I've seen what Kuhn can do, and I can't imagine Bromley would be worse, so let him play
I like Bromley  
Phil in LA : 6/18/2015 9:56 am : link
and think he'll be much better this year.
Disagree with the Kuhn hate.  
Randy in CT : 6/18/2015 9:57 am : link
They use him sparingly in a rotation now and then. High motor dude who fits all the white guy stereotypes which I won't list here.

Bromley needs more time on the field to be able to evaluate.

If you had to choose, you go with Bromley for obvious reasons which I also won't list here.
Kuhn Was a Successful Late-Round Pick  
OntheRoad : 6/18/2015 10:10 am : link
He has provided the Giants several good years of service, but seems to have reached his ceiling, and it's not all that high. Bromley hasn't really had an opportunity to show what he can do yet.
neither have shown anything.  
RicFlair : 6/18/2015 10:21 am : link
Kuhn just has not shown anything for longer.
RE: neither have shown anything.  
Randy in CT : 6/18/2015 10:25 am : link
In comment 12332929 RicFlair said:
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Kuhn just has not shown anything for longer.
So you prefer Kuhn for his consistency and longevity?
You've got a few years of Kuhn and no years out of Bromley  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/18/2015 10:30 am : link
Neither one have done anything for the team yet and one of them is 29 years old.

So, go for the kid.

Kuhn is a low-end backup. If he ever had to play for an extended period of time, it wouldn't be good.

Bromley might actually be a solid player.
bromley's  
area junc : 6/18/2015 10:33 am : link
going to be our breakout player this year
RE: RE: neither have shown anything.  
RicFlair : 6/18/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12332937 Randy in CT said:
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Kuhn just has not shown anything for longer.

So you prefer Kuhn for his consistency and longevity?


I prefer Bromley because I'm a Syracuse fan.
I  
Toth029 : 6/18/2015 10:49 am : link
Don't know how you can call Kuhn a late round success.

He hasn't been awful, he's made the team, but he's a depth/role player at best. I guess by some standard that is a 'late round success' to some, but not me. He's a JAG. He isn't going to be playing above Bromley or Ellis come August.
During  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/18/2015 10:51 am : link
the Giants "Town Hall Meeting" Jerry Reese was asked about lesser known players to watch. He replied, Kennard, Bromley, and Washington.
It had better be Bromley. Kuhn just a guy. Your 3rd round  
Victor in CT : 6/18/2015 11:37 am : link
pick had better beat him out
they could keep 9 DL  
bc4life : 6/18/2015 11:41 am : link
knowing that Jenkins could play DE.

Kuhn was a pretty good run stopper but then went thru a string of injuries. So, last year was a show me year - it was disappointing.

Bromley hasn't shown anything? That's ridiculous. First, he was a rookie, early on he had limited opportunities - when he had the shot he showed what everyone reported - he needed a lot of work re: the run.

Bromley is younger and if he has improved as a run stopper may have the higher ceiling.
it's a bit unfair to proclaim  
fkap : 6/18/2015 12:07 pm : link
Bromley hasn't shown anything with a tone of scorn. While it may be true that he hasn't been a major contributor, you have to put into context that he has one season in the NFL. He didn't set the world on fire in his rookie year, and some of you are acting as though he's been here a while and has failed to do anything.
RE: they've been complimenting Kuhn since the day he arrived  
nygnyy274 : 6/18/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12332800 Greg from LI said:
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And he's awful. He's one of Coughlin's pets, like Ware or Tollefson were for years. He always has a few of these guys around who are good soldiers and work hard and show enthusiasm but can't play a lick.


Just like herzlich to
I wouldn't say Kuhn is horrible  
JFIB : 6/18/2015 12:59 pm : link
But he certainly isn't very stout at the POA and he doesn't provide much of a pass rush. I know he was on the field during the end of the 2nd Cowboys game when Romo had 10 seconds in the pocket along with Patterson and Kiwi. I would prefer to see what Bromley has especially considering their respective ages.
most have said it best  
nyynyg : 6/18/2015 1:04 pm : link
Kuhn is not a diamond in the rough. He's reached his ceiling just making the team once. He is our new Frank Ferrara, actually Frank was probably better.
Have to see more of Bromley to form an educated opinion  
Torrag : 6/18/2015 1:04 pm : link
Guys make more of a jump from year one to two than any other point in their careers in most cases imo. Kuhn to me is a JAG. Given his draft status I hope Bromley is more than that.
RE: Bromley, without question  
OC2.0 : 6/18/2015 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12332774 JonC said:
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given he's the player with the upside and talent. Kuhn's a hard worker and good teammate by all accounts, but there's also a ceiling on the upside talent and production to this point.

If it has clicked and they feel really good about a player, it saves roster spots by waiving a Kuhn, a Selvie or Ayers, etc.


He's already hit his ceiling...mediocrity. Bromley should beat him out fairly easily.
Whe the question is "Who do you want  
Ron Johnson : 6/18/2015 1:44 pm : link
the guy who we suspect will suck or the guy we know sucks?"

go with suspect
this can't be serious  
chris r : 6/18/2015 1:52 pm : link
Kuhn is a proven borderline NFL player. Bromley was a third round pick last year.
we've seen  
Fred-in-Florida : 6/18/2015 2:26 pm : link
what we're gonna get with Kuhn! Hell I rather give the spot to a FA that also has high motor and possible potential.

Years ago Parcells called this type of player ... (serviceable but nothing special) .. a coach killer. If we want to get better we need to move along
RE: most have said it best  
BronxBob : 6/18/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12333351 nyynyg said:
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Kuhn is not a diamond in the rough. He's reached his ceiling just making the team once. He is our new Frank Ferrara, actually Frank was probably better.


Kuhn hasn't totaled any of his teammates yet.
I think Jenkins could be in trouble  
George from PA : 6/19/2015 5:54 am : link
North of 30....good not great.....
George  
bc4life : 6/19/2015 8:20 am : link
But has performed well, veteran leadership, and versatility.
kuhn is offal  
NYG4246 : 6/19/2015 5:34 pm : link
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