kick that disgusting fat-body to the bench, then off the roster !
Wouldn't you rather they BOTH succeed and the problem turns into "who do you start?"
I think some people are born to be negative.
I am a realist ... finger on the pulse so to say, so on and so forth ... Newhouse has had 2 unsuccessful stints in the NFL with 2 different suitors ... sounds like his 3rd chance is souring, if Mosely is incapable of taking the starting job from him, there is no need to keep either guy ...
the other thing of note is that it sounds like Pugh is the fallback if neither grabs the RT spot. Which begs the question, does Jerry play LG or does Schwartz slide to LG with Jerry at RG?
I hope that everyone on the roster succeeds, I know they all wont or can't, but am I fucked up because I root for these guys until they are no longer Giants,? or should I find players to hate on so I can pile guys trying their best to make my team?
Good to hear. I felt like he showed flashes of being pretty solid when he's had chances. It was weird to me that he kept getting glossed over and never mentioned at all.
RE: RE: RE: Nobody knows how good Mosely is, because Mosely is made of glass.
He just hasn't played any football since being drafted.
He played in 13 games in 2013, and nine last year.
Yeah, but besides those 22 games he played NONE!!
He was drafted in 2012 and nobody here can definitively say what he is good at or if he has the skills to be a long term fixture of this offensive line. If anyone here feels like they have a handle on what Mosely's skillset is, feel free to explain.
I posted this on the other thread, but it's more appropriate here...
It now appears that Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, and Flowers will be four of the starters with Newhouse and Mosley battling for the 5th spot and Jerry as the top backup (but not in contention as a starter). The problem with this group is that only Richburg has experience at center, which means that if they are going to dress eight on game day, one of those guys is going to have to learn the center position. Either that or one of them will be sitting on game day with either Reynolds or Jones dressing (most likely Reynolds). And my guess is that unless Jerry starts sharing some snaps with the first string at either left guard or right tackle, he will be the one in street clothes on Sunday.
Rookie LT and a Newhouse Mosley battle for RT. So much for upgrading the O-line this season. There is long term potential with this group but the lack of depth is once again rearing it's head. One OT goes down and we're scrambling to field a functional unit that doesn't scare the shit out of the fan base(and probably the coaching staff). I hope Flowers is the Second Coming arrived early. If he isn't it could get ugly.
He got hurt early on in 2012 and went on IR. Had some back trouble last year. I have no idea what to expect from him this year, although I did like him in the draft, but to say that he hasn't played since being drafted is incorrect.
the other thing of note is that it sounds like Pugh is the fallback if neither grabs the RT spot. Which begs the question, does Jerry play LG or does Schwartz slide to LG with Jerry at RG?
But I see a fine football team shaping us - except for this mess on the O line. We can not go into this critical and potentially great year with Flowers at OLT and bums at ORT.
Something will be done between now and the opening of camp. The answer isn't on the roster....YET!
He got hurt early on in 2012 and went on IR. Had some back trouble last year. I have no idea what to expect from him this year, although I did like him in the draft, but to say that he hasn't played since being drafted is incorrect.
Just pretend I said he hasn't played enough for anyone to know what he is.
I certainly don't know. He might suck, or he might be the best RT prospect on the team. He has alternated between being injured, and being indistinguishable.
I've held out hope for Brandon Mosley for three years.
Mosley is a clear developmental prospect for two reasons: He hasn't played the position long, and he played in a spread offense which is far from conventional for an NFL tackle. He will have a serious developmental phase and would have a tough time playing immediately.
Mosley was the 131st pick in 2012, and an obvious project. Add in the time he has lost to various injuries, and it's easy to understand why he hasn't done much. There's some talent there, though. nfl.com prospect profile: Brandon Mosley - ( New Window )
about these players that the Front Office and Coaching staff doesn't? Dont give me I'm a fan and this is Giant discussion site, you come off as arrogant idiots unless you can back up what you say with more than your opinions
For all of the Boylhart nuthuggers here...and you know who you are...
This is your sleeper left tackle in the draft. I know he can play both right tackle and left tackle at a Pro Bowl level. The question is, can he play left tackle? If teams think he can, then he will be drafted early. He still is a developmental right tackle and will need some time to get stronger and more repetitions to become more consistent, but he has the talent. One of the games I watched Brandon in was against Arkansas and against one of the quickest "off the line" defensive ends in this draft. He handled him when pass blocking without any help and his lateral agility was excellent. When I saw that, I saw his left tackle potential. That being said, Brandon struggled using his technique during that game, but always found a way to make his blocks. Sometimes he doesn't look pretty, but his athleticism allows him to recover and get the job done. He has excellent size and bulk and is not overweight or have one of those jelly bellies that some teams seem to feel is so important to being a good run blocking offensive lineman. This kid is in shape and, for me, that is important because it shows good work ethic. Those jelly belly players who will be drafted ahead of Brandon don't do it for me. Just say no to the jelly bellies, be smart and draft players who are in shape like Brandon, I say! There is a lot more upside for the non-jelly belly player to become Pro Bowl offensive or defensive linemen than the ones who take up a lot of space, but are really out of shape. I should add that to my 25 rules of drafting: "Don't draft jelly belly players early in the draft. Look for the player with talent who is in shape before you select a player with talent who has needs more physical discipline." Of course, there are always exceptions to every rule!
Mosley is a clear developmental prospect for two reasons: He hasn't played the position long, and he played in a spread offense which is far from conventional for an NFL tackle. He will have a serious developmental phase and would have a tough time playing immediately.
Mosley was the 131st pick in 2012, and an obvious project. Add in the time he has lost to various injuries, and it's easy to understand why he hasn't done much. There's some talent there, though. nfl.com prospect profile: Brandon Mosley - ( New Window )
so guys are heavy, Mosley is a big human being without being fat. He was penciled in to be the starter at Guard last year.He got hurt in Training Camp and fell off the radar for all intents and purposes. He was on the roster, but got very little playing time
but if we are this thin at tackle why aren't we signing Jake Long and/or Evan Mathis? Extend Eli and Prince to make the cap room and get it freaking done Reese!
Jake long might be shot and Evan Mathis is not a tackle.
He's done nothing since being drafted. Couldn't beat out Jerry last year. He was a TE before converting to OL for his last two years of college. Now or never for him IMO, but the injury to Beatty certainly increases his chances. If he doesn't make it, he'll just be another one of Jerry's mid round OL draft failures.
The Giants were 0-7 in the games Mosley missed last year.
They were 6-3 in the nine games for which he dressed. That's a pretty impactful guy right there. ;o)
Seriously, Mosley has generally looked like he belonged, whether he was at guard, tackle or short-yardage TE. RT is probably his natural position. It's where he enjoyed the most success at Auburn. On paper, he has the makings of a good LG, but that would have been yet another position he had to learn from scratch. If he's going to compete with Newhouse, put him at RT and leave him there.
It now appears that Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, and Flowers will be four of the starters with Newhouse and Mosley battling for the 5th spot and Jerry as the top backup (but not in contention as a starter). The problem with this group is that only Richburg has experience at center, which means that if they are going to dress eight on game day, one of those guys is going to have to learn the center position. Either that or one of them will be sitting on game day with either Reynolds or Jones dressing (most likely Reynolds). And my guess is that unless Jerry starts sharing some snaps with the first string at either left guard or right tackle, he will be the one in street clothes on Sunday.
the other thing of note is that it sounds like Pugh is the fallback if neither grabs the RT spot. Which begs the question, does Jerry play LG or does Schwartz slide to LG with Jerry at RG?
Or Mathis or Long get signed..
Highly doubt they sign Mathis. He sounds like he's looking for a big deal and I don't think they have the cap space this year. And Long's injury prognosis isn't exactly promising.
the other thing of note is that it sounds like Pugh is the fallback if neither grabs the RT spot. Which begs the question, does Jerry play LG or does Schwartz slide to LG with Jerry at RG?
Or Mathis or Long get signed..
Highly doubt they sign Mathis. He sounds like he's looking for a big deal and I don't think they have the cap space this year. And Long's injury prognosis isn't exactly promising.
Mathis isn't coming here, and I don't think they'll sign Long. He's seven or eight months removed from tearing the same ACL twice IIRC.
kick that disgusting fat-body to the bench, then off the roster !
Wouldn't you rather they BOTH succeed and the problem turns into "who do you start?"
I think some people are born to be negative.
I am a realist ... finger on the pulse so to say, so on and so forth ... Newhouse has had 2 unsuccessful stints in the NFL with 2 different suitors ... sounds like his 3rd chance is souring, if Mosely is incapable of taking the starting job from him, there is no need to keep either guy ...
Well Hem, as much of a pain in the ass this may be, I tend to agree with you. Let's slap some PrepH on this problem and see if we can shrink it down to size. I'm itching to see a workable solution.
RE: The Giants were 0-7 in the games Mosley missed last year.
They were 6-3 in the nine games for which he dressed. That's a pretty impactful guy right there. ;o)
Seriously, Mosley has generally looked like he belonged, whether he was at guard, tackle or short-yardage TE. RT is probably his natural position. It's where he enjoyed the most success at Auburn. On paper, he has the makings of a good LG, but that would have been yet another position he had to learn from scratch. If he's going to compete with Newhouse, put him at RT and leave him there.
That's ^^^^ as good a brief review of Mosley as you're gonna find. I didnt like him much from college tape, so Boylehart's review is way out of line, except his point about Mosley being big and relatively trim. The guy doesnt have left tackle feet or anything like the mobility of an OG in the Giants system so RT would seem to be his best fit.
Not holding my breath, but it would sure be nice if at least one of Reese's mid-late round selections of a developmental OL worked out... Among Brewer, Petrus, MCants, Mosley and Hermann, only Mosley and Hermann are left. And Hart may supplant one of them.
This should be Mosley's shot; hope he makes something of it.
Keep in mind last year was his first in hat offense. He also basically is out of chances meaning last year on his rookie deal. Here's to hoping he surprises in a positive way.
to pencil much in. I still have a hard time believing Flowers was basically handed the key offensive line position this year with supposed weaknesses. If he's good enought to start at LOT, there's a boatload of draftnics who can't rate an Oline prospect.
Mosley: I hope he steps up. Herman: him too. It's time to decide in the next few months to keep guys like this or dump them and get new. The Giants keep some players around too long which stops them from taking a close look & developing other players who may pan out.
I still think Pugh will end up with one of the tackle spots. We will see...
Omar Kelly tweeted that he thinks Long is finished.
Long hasn't been down here in years. How would Kelly know? Long has been injured a bunch but IMO that's speculation at this point. Doubt Long's inner circle would leak something to a Dolphin beat reporter so how else would he know. Of course other than an educated guess which with his history(Long's) isn't a huge leap. And if he does play no one will remember it in today's 60 second news cycle world
If he's good enought to start at LOT, there's a boatload of draftnics who can't rate an Oline prospect.
So let's review:
Tampa Bay and Tennessee were taking Quarterbacks, period. Winston and Mariotta went one and two as expected.
Jacksonville drafted Luke Joeckel last year. They needed an edge rusher a lot more than another tackle, hence the pick of Fowler.
Oakland drafted Menelik Watson in 2013, and signed Donald Penn. Regardless, they weren't going to pass on Amari Cooper and we wouldn't have, either.
Washington has Trent Williams. What they needed was interior O-Line help. Enter Brandon Scherf.
The Jets have D'Brick, and there was no way they were going to pass up Leonard Williams, anyway.
The Bears might have been in play, but they went with Kevin White. We might have gone that way, too. Still, they did beef up their O-Line by signing Vladimir Ducasse and drafting a good center prospect in Grassu.
Atlanta? They drafted Jake Matthews last year, and they really needed an edge rusher this year. Enter Vic Beasley.
And then there's us. Sometimes you just get lucky.
3rd name Flaherty brought up as possibility for RT: Justin Pugh. So unless NYG bring in new body, Newhouse vs. Mosley to start camp
Wouldn't you rather they BOTH succeed and the problem turns into "who do you start?"
I think some people are born to be negative.
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kick that disgusting fat-body to the bench, then off the roster !
Wouldn't you rather they BOTH succeed and the problem turns into "who do you start?"
I think some people are born to be negative.
I am a realist ... finger on the pulse so to say, so on and so forth ... Newhouse has had 2 unsuccessful stints in the NFL with 2 different suitors ... sounds like his 3rd chance is souring, if Mosely is incapable of taking the starting job from him, there is no need to keep either guy ...
I do too. And I hope it's legit.
He played in 13 games in 2013, and nine last year.
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He just hasn't played any football since being drafted.
He played in 13 games in 2013, and nine last year.
Omar Kelly tweeted that he thinks Long is finished.
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He just hasn't played any football since being drafted.
He played in 13 games in 2013, and nine last year.
Yeah, but besides those 22 games he played NONE!!
He was drafted in 2012 and nobody here can definitively say what he is good at or if he has the skills to be a long term fixture of this offensive line. If anyone here feels like they have a handle on what Mosely's skillset is, feel free to explain.
Or Mathis or Long get signed..
Something will be done between now and the opening of camp. The answer isn't on the roster....YET!
Just pretend I said he hasn't played enough for anyone to know what he is.
I certainly don't know. He might suck, or he might be the best RT prospect on the team. He has alternated between being injured, and being indistinguishable.
nfl.com prospect profile: Brandon Mosley - ( New Window )
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Mosley is a clear developmental prospect for two reasons: He hasn't played the position long, and he played in a spread offense which is far from conventional for an NFL tackle. He will have a serious developmental phase and would have a tough time playing immediately.
Mosley was the 131st pick in 2012, and an obvious project. Add in the time he has lost to various injuries, and it's easy to understand why he hasn't done much. There's some talent there, though. nfl.com prospect profile: Brandon Mosley - ( New Window )
Ok it was probably '13 where he looked promising.
Seriously, Mosley has generally looked like he belonged, whether he was at guard, tackle or short-yardage TE. RT is probably his natural position. It's where he enjoyed the most success at Auburn. On paper, he has the makings of a good LG, but that would have been yet another position he had to learn from scratch. If he's going to compete with Newhouse, put him at RT and leave him there.
So was Mitch Petrus.
The problem here is your counting :)
1. Pugh
2. Richburg
3. Schwartz
4. Flowers
5. Mosley
6. Jerry
7. Newhouse
That still leaves the 8th OL spot on game day to Reynolds/Jones
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the other thing of note is that it sounds like Pugh is the fallback if neither grabs the RT spot. Which begs the question, does Jerry play LG or does Schwartz slide to LG with Jerry at RG?
Or Mathis or Long get signed..
Highly doubt they sign Mathis. He sounds like he's looking for a big deal and I don't think they have the cap space this year. And Long's injury prognosis isn't exactly promising.
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the other thing of note is that it sounds like Pugh is the fallback if neither grabs the RT spot. Which begs the question, does Jerry play LG or does Schwartz slide to LG with Jerry at RG?
Or Mathis or Long get signed..
Highly doubt they sign Mathis. He sounds like he's looking for a big deal and I don't think they have the cap space this year. And Long's injury prognosis isn't exactly promising.
Mathis isn't coming here, and I don't think they'll sign Long. He's seven or eight months removed from tearing the same ACL twice IIRC.
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kick that disgusting fat-body to the bench, then off the roster !
Wouldn't you rather they BOTH succeed and the problem turns into "who do you start?"
I think some people are born to be negative.
I am a realist ... finger on the pulse so to say, so on and so forth ... Newhouse has had 2 unsuccessful stints in the NFL with 2 different suitors ... sounds like his 3rd chance is souring, if Mosely is incapable of taking the starting job from him, there is no need to keep either guy ...
Well Hem, as much of a pain in the ass this may be, I tend to agree with you. Let's slap some PrepH on this problem and see if we can shrink it down to size. I'm itching to see a workable solution.
Seriously, Mosley has generally looked like he belonged, whether he was at guard, tackle or short-yardage TE. RT is probably his natural position. It's where he enjoyed the most success at Auburn. On paper, he has the makings of a good LG, but that would have been yet another position he had to learn from scratch. If he's going to compete with Newhouse, put him at RT and leave him there.
That's ^^^^ as good a brief review of Mosley as you're gonna find. I didnt like him much from college tape, so Boylehart's review is way out of line, except his point about Mosley being big and relatively trim. The guy doesnt have left tackle feet or anything like the mobility of an OG in the Giants system so RT would seem to be his best fit.
Not holding my breath, but it would sure be nice if at least one of Reese's mid-late round selections of a developmental OL worked out... Among Brewer, Petrus, MCants, Mosley and Hermann, only Mosley and Hermann are left. And Hart may supplant one of them.
This should be Mosley's shot; hope he makes something of it.
Mosley: I hope he steps up. Herman: him too. It's time to decide in the next few months to keep guys like this or dump them and get new. The Giants keep some players around too long which stops them from taking a close look & developing other players who may pan out.
I still think Pugh will end up with one of the tackle spots. We will see...
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Jake Long continues to sound intriguing...
Omar Kelly tweeted that he thinks Long is finished.
Long hasn't been down here in years. How would Kelly know? Long has been injured a bunch but IMO that's speculation at this point. Doubt Long's inner circle would leak something to a Dolphin beat reporter so how else would he know. Of course other than an educated guess which with his history(Long's) isn't a huge leap. And if he does play no one will remember it in today's 60 second news cycle world
So let's review:
Tampa Bay and Tennessee were taking Quarterbacks, period. Winston and Mariotta went one and two as expected.
Jacksonville drafted Luke Joeckel last year. They needed an edge rusher a lot more than another tackle, hence the pick of Fowler.
Oakland drafted Menelik Watson in 2013, and signed Donald Penn. Regardless, they weren't going to pass on Amari Cooper and we wouldn't have, either.
Washington has Trent Williams. What they needed was interior O-Line help. Enter Brandon Scherf.
The Jets have D'Brick, and there was no way they were going to pass up Leonard Williams, anyway.
The Bears might have been in play, but they went with Kevin White. We might have gone that way, too. Still, they did beef up their O-Line by signing Vladimir Ducasse and drafting a good center prospect in Grassu.
Atlanta? They drafted Jake Matthews last year, and they really needed an edge rusher this year. Enter Vic Beasley.
And then there's us. Sometimes you just get lucky.