Mets
Curtis Granderson, RF
Juan Lagares, CF
Lucas Duda, 1B
Michael Cuddyer, DH
Travis d'Arnaud, C
Wilmer Flores, SS
John Mayberry Jr., LF
Ruben Tejada, 3B
Dilson Herrera, 2B
Bartolo Colon, RHP
Blue Jays
Jose Reyes, SS
Josh Donaldson, 3B
Jose Bautista, DH
Justin Smoak, 1B
Chris Colabello, LF
Russell Martin, C
Ezequiel Carrera, RF
Kevin Pillar, CF
Ryan Goins, 2B
R.A. Dickey, RHP
Funny thing...I've seen him make a lot of really good plays going to his left. Maybe it's a little tougher when the ball is hit back up the middle at 100 mph. Maybe?
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.
Colon should have already been out of the inning. Same with the run that scored in the 2nd inning.
Teams have put up some pretty big innings against Dickey so far this year, so let's not waive the white flag just yet.
Hes made pitches. How about they catch the ball. Its hard to pitch when you can't trust your defense.
Plus defenders - Lagares
Neutral - TdA, Duda, Herrera, Tejada
Below Average - Granderson, Cuddyer, Flores, Murphy (when he returns)
And that's with fairly generous evaluations of Herrera (who is inconsistent) and Duda who is really average at best. The numbers may say otherwise, but this is a very bad defensive team that's somehow masked from a metrics standpoint thanks to an abundance of power pitching.
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.
Dude those were rockets hit up the middle. Nobody gets to those. He flubbed a knuckle ball right at him that wasn't even scored an error. And its totally fine to have Colon give up 16 hits after that with two outs? Fucking ridiculous effort from Colon.
I have too. Don't understand the comment.
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In this inning alone.
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.
Dude those were rockets hit up the middle. Nobody gets to those. He flubbed a knuckle ball right at him that wasn't even scored an error. And its totally fine to have Colon give up 16 hits after that with two outs? Fucking ridiculous effort from Colon.
A line drive hit directly to him.
A routine double play and he didn't avoid the slide.
You'd be mad at a high school kid that made those plays.
Fuckin' Flores...he makes everyone get out on offense too.
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Seriously does this happen to other teams as regularly as it seems to happen to us?
Fuckin' Flores...he makes everyone get out on offense too.
lol. I have such a hard time understanding where you stand on things (except Flores & Collins, i'm clear on both of those issues).
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In comment 12334057 Shecky said:
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In this inning alone.
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.
Dude those were rockets hit up the middle. Nobody gets to those. He flubbed a knuckle ball right at him that wasn't even scored an error. And its totally fine to have Colon give up 16 hits after that with two outs? Fucking ridiculous effort from Colon.
A line drive hit directly to him.
A routine double play and he didn't avoid the slide.
You'd be mad at a high school kid that made those plays.
It was not a routine double play. The runner was on top of him as soon as he caught the ball. Should he have stepped aside and recorded no outs??
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In comment 12334065 Eric on Li said:
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Seriously does this happen to other teams as regularly as it seems to happen to us?
Fuckin' Flores...he makes everyone get out on offense too.
lol. I have such a hard time understanding where you stand on things (except Flores & Collins, i'm clear on both of those issues).
Haha, what can I clear up for you?
This place would be better if you were demoted.
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Frustrating error. But it's a lot more frustrating watching him try to go to his left each night.
Funny thing...I've seen him make a lot of really good plays going to his left. Maybe it's a little tougher when the ball is hit back up the middle at 100 mph. Maybe?
And not to make excuses but this is astro turf so the balls get on you much faster than on grass.
Exactly. And you can make a case for one hard hit or whatever. But how many runs did he give up? A player making a mistake doesn't give a pitcher free reign to get their brains beat in for 6 more batters.
Thanks FATTY!
Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.
The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.
Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.
The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.
Of course. And this is why I said If Colon gave up a run or two I think it would be pretty even. But how many hits and runs can a pitcher give up when he only needs to get one more out before the blame shifts back to him?
Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.
The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.
9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.
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why it's mutually exclusive.
Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.
The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.
9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.
Yup. Basically. That and RA Dickey baffling our lineup.
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was promoted.
This place would be better if you were demoted.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Quote of the year!!!!!
The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.
The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.
And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.
Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.
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why it's mutually exclusive.
Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.
The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.
9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.
It's 1-0 if Flores can turn a fairly standard double play. Or catch a line drive right at him.
Not sure why they'd be excused, just terrible plays.
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was promoted.
This place would be better if you were demoted.
Need a hug . . . again or just a job?
The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.
The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.
And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.
Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.
How about a couple of young, talented players playing in their first full season, one of which is the youngest position player in baseball.
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In comment 12334090 pjcas18 said:
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why it's mutually exclusive.
Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.
The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.
9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.
It's 1-0 if Flores can turn a fairly standard double play. Or catch a line drive right at him.
Not sure why they'd be excused, just terrible plays.
Conversely, it would be 1-0 if Colon isn't out there throwing batting practice.
Not sure why he would be excused, just terrible pitching.
There's plenty of blame to go around, Flores included. But as usual, the focus is mostly on Flores. Weird.
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are when watching what appears to me like the Mets - Jays game ...
The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.
The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.
And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.
Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.
How about a couple of young, talented players playing in their first full season, one of which is the youngest position player in baseball.
I believe I referenced the word "YOUTH" in my post. So tell me, how long are we to excuse poor play especially where it's legitimately unwarranted? Let me know what the book is on that and I'd be happy to comply.
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In comment 12334111 Stufftherun said:
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are when watching what appears to me like the Mets - Jays game ...
The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.
The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.
And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.
Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.
How about a couple of young, talented players playing in their first full season, one of which is the youngest position player in baseball.
I believe I referenced the word "YOUTH" in my post. So tell me, how long are we to excuse poor play especially where it's legitimately unwarranted? Let me know what the book is on that and I'd be happy to comply.
Poor play?? Flores has like one error in the last 6 weeks and has positive defensive ratings in just about every category imaginable. Herrera? What has he played in? 17 games? Guess what? he also is rated positive in just about every defensive category. They are both having solid defensive seasons. Herrera made one of the most ridiculous plays Ive ever seen from a 2ndbaseman Sunday. Neither of these kids are allowed to make a mistake?? They are supposed to have amazing chemistry from day one? 17 games!
Very entertaining baseball.
So it's okay that the Jays teed off on him after the two bad plays? Just give up?
Sometimes the defense is bad and the pitcher has to pick them up.
Sometimes the pitcher is bad and the defense has to pick him up.
That's baseball. The pitcher can't fall apart because his defense doesn't make a play or two. But colon has been really bad for a while but he gets a pass, right?
Your act is tired and a bore. Yawn...
You are so miserable. You probably go to Little League games and mock the 8 years olds too.