for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Mets at Jays game 2

sshin05 : 6/18/2015 5:29 pm
Mets

Curtis Granderson, RF

Juan Lagares, CF

Lucas Duda, 1B

Michael Cuddyer, DH

Travis d'Arnaud, C

Wilmer Flores, SS

John Mayberry Jr., LF

Ruben Tejada, 3B

Dilson Herrera, 2B

Bartolo Colon, RHP

Blue Jays

Jose Reyes, SS

Josh Donaldson, 3B

Jose Bautista, DH

Justin Smoak, 1B

Chris Colabello, LF

Russell Martin, C

Ezequiel Carrera, RF

Kevin Pillar, CF

Ryan Goins, 2B

R.A. Dickey, RHP
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
RE: Flores error  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 8:29 pm : link
In comment 12334040 Shecky said:
Quote:
Frustrating error. But it's a lot more frustrating watching him try to go to his left each night.


Funny thing...I've seen him make a lot of really good plays going to his left. Maybe it's a little tougher when the ball is hit back up the middle at 100 mph. Maybe?
Z  
Shecky : 6/18/2015 8:29 pm : link
In this inning alone.
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.
RE: Flores will get all the blame  
Rflairr : 6/18/2015 8:29 pm : link
In comment 12334049 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
for this inning. But Colon is pitching like shit now. This game was over before it started.


Colon should have already been out of the inning. Same with the run that scored in the 2nd inning.

Defense  
Metnut : 6/18/2015 8:29 pm : link
hasn't been good, but Colon is getting smacked around. Hard hit balls everywhere.

Teams have put up some pretty big innings against Dickey so far this year, so let's not waive the white flag just yet.
RE: Cowardly effort  
Rflairr : 6/18/2015 8:30 pm : link
In comment 12334054 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
from Colon. Throwing batting practice to how many batters with two outs?? Fucking make a pitch Colon.


Hes made pitches. How about they catch the ball. Its hard to pitch when you can't trust your defense.
Individually you can make a case that every spot is  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2015 8:31 pm : link
but the reality is if you are grouping the players by defensive ability, it's no secret why this team plays bad defense.

Plus defenders - Lagares
Neutral - TdA, Duda, Herrera, Tejada
Below Average - Granderson, Cuddyer, Flores, Murphy (when he returns)

And that's with fairly generous evaluations of Herrera (who is inconsistent) and Duda who is really average at best. The numbers may say otherwise, but this is a very bad defensive team that's somehow masked from a metrics standpoint thanks to an abundance of power pitching.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:31 pm : link
In comment 12334057 Shecky said:
Quote:
In this inning alone.
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.


Dude those were rockets hit up the middle. Nobody gets to those. He flubbed a knuckle ball right at him that wasn't even scored an error. And its totally fine to have Colon give up 16 hits after that with two outs? Fucking ridiculous effort from Colon.
RE: Flores error  
Four Aces : 6/18/2015 8:31 pm : link
In comment 12334040 Shecky said:
Quote:
Frustrating error. But it's a lot more frustrating watching him try to go to his left each night.


I have too. Don't understand the comment.
And did I see correctly that they are getting no-hit again?  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2015 8:32 pm : link
Seriously does this happen to other teams as regularly as it seems to happen to us?
We all know how good Dickey can be when  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:33 pm : link
he's on. Im sure he's fired up to face us. THIS game is over. And was over when this game began.
RE: RE: Z  
schabadoo : 6/18/2015 8:33 pm : link
In comment 12334063 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334057 Shecky said:


Quote:


In this inning alone.
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.



Dude those were rockets hit up the middle. Nobody gets to those. He flubbed a knuckle ball right at him that wasn't even scored an error. And its totally fine to have Colon give up 16 hits after that with two outs? Fucking ridiculous effort from Colon.


A line drive hit directly to him.
A routine double play and he didn't avoid the slide.

You'd be mad at a high school kid that made those plays.
Come on guys... a pitcher still needs to make pitches when it counts.  
Four Aces : 6/18/2015 8:34 pm : link
Colon didn't.
RE: And did I see correctly that they are getting no-hit again?  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 8:34 pm : link
In comment 12334065 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
Seriously does this happen to other teams as regularly as it seems to happen to us?


Fuckin' Flores...he makes everyone get out on offense too.
RE: RE: And did I see correctly that they are getting no-hit again?  
Eric on Li : 6/18/2015 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12334071 PhiPsi125 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334065 Eric on Li said:


Quote:


Seriously does this happen to other teams as regularly as it seems to happen to us?



Fuckin' Flores...he makes everyone get out on offense too.


lol. I have such a hard time understanding where you stand on things (except Flores & Collins, i'm clear on both of those issues).
The team would hit better if Matz  
Giants2012 : 6/18/2015 8:36 pm : link
was promoted.
RE: RE: RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12334068 schabadoo said:
Quote:
In comment 12334063 ZGiants98 said:


Quote:


In comment 12334057 Shecky said:


Quote:


In this inning alone.
Flores missed a ball hit directly to him
Missed a DP good slide, but a SS makes that play.
And comes no where near a ball hit five feet to his left.



Dude those were rockets hit up the middle. Nobody gets to those. He flubbed a knuckle ball right at him that wasn't even scored an error. And its totally fine to have Colon give up 16 hits after that with two outs? Fucking ridiculous effort from Colon.



A line drive hit directly to him.
A routine double play and he didn't avoid the slide.

You'd be mad at a high school kid that made those plays.


It was not a routine double play. The runner was on top of him as soon as he caught the ball. Should he have stepped aside and recorded no outs??
RE: RE: RE: And did I see correctly that they are getting no-hit again?  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12334074 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
In comment 12334071 PhiPsi125 said:


Quote:


In comment 12334065 Eric on Li said:


Quote:


Seriously does this happen to other teams as regularly as it seems to happen to us?



Fuckin' Flores...he makes everyone get out on offense too.



lol. I have such a hard time understanding where you stand on things (except Flores & Collins, i'm clear on both of those issues).


Haha, what can I clear up for you?
RE: The team would hit better if Matz  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 8:37 pm : link
In comment 12334076 Giants2012 said:
Quote:
was promoted.


This place would be better if you were demoted.
RE: RE: Flores error  
Four Aces : 6/18/2015 8:37 pm : link
In comment 12334056 PhiPsi125 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334040 Shecky said:


Quote:


Frustrating error. But it's a lot more frustrating watching him try to go to his left each night.



Funny thing...I've seen him make a lot of really good plays going to his left. Maybe it's a little tougher when the ball is hit back up the middle at 100 mph. Maybe?


And not to make excuses but this is astro turf so the balls get on you much faster than on grass.
RE: Come on guys... a pitcher still needs to make pitches when it counts.  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:38 pm : link
In comment 12334070 Four Aces said:
Quote:
Colon didn't.


Exactly. And you can make a case for one hard hit or whatever. But how many runs did he give up? A player making a mistake doesn't give a pitcher free reign to get their brains beat in for 6 more batters.
Kill Niese but defend Flores crew warming up  
Giants2012 : 6/18/2015 8:39 pm : link
The team stinks and the stats are spot on. Nevermind the fast start and comical strength of schedule
When do we hold Colon accountable for this fuck fest?  
Four Aces : 6/18/2015 8:39 pm : link
.
Listen, the defense could definitely be better, no argument there  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 8:39 pm : link
But let's not pretend that Colon hasn't been sucking a big one for a while now.
Well there  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:39 pm : link
goes Colon's trade value, if he had any to begin with. Think Collins would take him out? Nah. We'll wait until its 10-0.

Thanks FATTY!
Yay! My other favorite  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:41 pm : link
player! Its mushroom man!
Not sure  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2015 8:41 pm : link
why it's mutually exclusive.

Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.

The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.
A SS normally would jump and throw to avoid the slide  
schabadoo : 6/18/2015 8:41 pm : link
It's a common play.
RE: Not sure  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12334090 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
why it's mutually exclusive.

Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.

The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.


Of course. And this is why I said If Colon gave up a run or two I think it would be pretty even. But how many hits and runs can a pitcher give up when he only needs to get one more out before the blame shifts back to him?
It's a SHIT team that needs bats!!!!!!  
Giants2012 : 6/18/2015 8:50 pm : link
Drooling over Mats, bitching about Niese, thinking f'ing Murphy is some savior like Dale Murphy is delusional. The team is horrible and played a very easy schedule. Look at the stats for offense and fielding. It's a disgrace.

RE: Not sure  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 8:51 pm : link
In comment 12334090 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
why it's mutually exclusive.

Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.

The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.


9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.
RE: RE: Not sure  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:54 pm : link
In comment 12334098 PhiPsi125 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334090 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


why it's mutually exclusive.

Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.

The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.



9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.


Yup. Basically. That and RA Dickey baffling our lineup.
RE: RE: The team would hit better if Matz  
Shecky : 6/18/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12334079 PhiPsi125 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334076 Giants2012 said:


Quote:


was promoted.



This place would be better if you were demoted.


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Quote of the year!!!!!
Amazing how starkly different the perspectives  
Stufftherun : 6/18/2015 8:56 pm : link
are when watching what appears to me like the Mets - Jays game ...

The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.

The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.

And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.

Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.

Oh well.  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:56 pm : link
I said I wanted a split in this series and I got it. deGrom going tomorrow. Im good.
RE: RE: Not sure  
schabadoo : 6/18/2015 8:58 pm : link
In comment 12334098 PhiPsi125 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334090 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


why it's mutually exclusive.

Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.

The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.



9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.


It's 1-0 if Flores can turn a fairly standard double play. Or catch a line drive right at him.

Not sure why they'd be excused, just terrible plays.
RE: RE: The team would hit better if Matz  
Giants2012 : 6/18/2015 8:59 pm : link
In comment 12334079 PhiPsi125 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334076 Giants2012 said:


Quote:


was promoted.



This place would be better if you were demoted.



Need a hug . . . again or just a job?
RE: Amazing how starkly different the perspectives  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 8:59 pm : link
In comment 12334111 Stufftherun said:
Quote:
are when watching what appears to me like the Mets - Jays game ...

The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.

The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.

And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.

Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.


How about a couple of young, talented players playing in their first full season, one of which is the youngest position player in baseball.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 9:03 pm : link
In comment 12334114 schabadoo said:
Quote:
In comment 12334098 PhiPsi125 said:


Quote:


In comment 12334090 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


why it's mutually exclusive.

Colon pitched poorly and Flores made an error, they at least share the blame for the inning.

The damage reasonably should have been less than it was so Colon didn't help matters when his defense behind him faltered.



9 hits and 7 runs for Toronto and it's turned into a Flores and Defense bitchfest again. Not much bitching (if any) about the shitty pitcher giving up rockets all game. That's what the issue is.



It's 1-0 if Flores can turn a fairly standard double play. Or catch a line drive right at him.

Not sure why they'd be excused, just terrible plays.


Conversely, it would be 1-0 if Colon isn't out there throwing batting practice.

Not sure why he would be excused, just terrible pitching.

There's plenty of blame to go around, Flores included. But as usual, the focus is mostly on Flores. Weird.
RE: RE: Amazing how starkly different the perspectives  
Stufftherun : 6/18/2015 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12334116 ZGiants98 said:
Quote:
In comment 12334111 Stufftherun said:


Quote:


are when watching what appears to me like the Mets - Jays game ...

The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.

The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.

And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.

Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.




How about a couple of young, talented players playing in their first full season, one of which is the youngest position player in baseball.


I believe I referenced the word "YOUTH" in my post. So tell me, how long are we to excuse poor play especially where it's legitimately unwarranted? Let me know what the book is on that and I'd be happy to comply.
deGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 9:05 pm : link
throwing the next three days. Have fun Braves.
Why would it be weird, he made two terrible plays in a row  
schabadoo : 6/18/2015 9:06 pm : link
Colon got what he wanted, defense let him down. They teed off on him after that.
RE: RE: RE: Amazing how starkly different the perspectives  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 9:10 pm : link
In comment 12334120 Stufftherun said:
Quote:
In comment 12334116 ZGiants98 said:


Quote:


In comment 12334111 Stufftherun said:


Quote:


are when watching what appears to me like the Mets - Jays game ...

The line drive hit directly to Flores has to be caught, no if's and's or but's. The DP ball was very difficult, the base runner was on top of him in a hurry, no doubt about it.

The fact that this team has had well documented difficulties completing DP's has been brought up time and again by our own broadcast team, it's a problem. Is it a lack of chemistry, lack of communication or lack of cohesion due to the influx of different faces in the infield or is it a question of youth, skill and instincts? Who the hell knows but a DP in a key spot sure as hell can give a team a lift and help the guy out on the mound.

And yes, of course, The Big Greasy should bear down and overcome weak infield play but there's no question you that can't keep giving the opposition extra outs without getting hurt somewhere along the line.

Bottom line, make the routine plays and the plays you're supposed to make on a consistent basis and it'll go a long way to this teams success.




How about a couple of young, talented players playing in their first full season, one of which is the youngest position player in baseball.



I believe I referenced the word "YOUTH" in my post. So tell me, how long are we to excuse poor play especially where it's legitimately unwarranted? Let me know what the book is on that and I'd be happy to comply.


Poor play?? Flores has like one error in the last 6 weeks and has positive defensive ratings in just about every category imaginable. Herrera? What has he played in? 17 games? Guess what? he also is rated positive in just about every defensive category. They are both having solid defensive seasons. Herrera made one of the most ridiculous plays Ive ever seen from a 2ndbaseman Sunday. Neither of these kids are allowed to make a mistake?? They are supposed to have amazing chemistry from day one? 17 games!
40 yr old with an era over 5.00 blanking the Mess  
Giants2012 : 6/18/2015 9:12 pm : link
and Niese had no help last night.

Very entertaining baseball.
RE: Why would it be weird, he made two terrible plays in a row  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12334123 schabadoo said:
Quote:
Colon got what he wanted, defense let him down. They teed off on him after that.


So it's okay that the Jays teed off on him after the two bad plays? Just give up?

Sometimes the defense is bad and the pitcher has to pick them up.
Sometimes the pitcher is bad and the defense has to pick him up.

That's baseball. The pitcher can't fall apart because his defense doesn't make a play or two. But colon has been really bad for a while but he gets a pass, right?
Flores fanatics  
Giants2012 : 6/18/2015 9:14 pm : link
When he dives and comes up empty, they don't count those as errors whereas a SS with range gets to the ball. He's been diving for almost two games and come up empty. Take off the blinders.

Assume it was mentioned earlier  
Shecky : 6/18/2015 9:15 pm : link
But Mets signed their top two picks today. Total was a little over slot for the two. Mets have done a great job so far with their picks.
What pass, he kept it close  
schabadoo : 6/18/2015 9:15 pm : link
Mediocre pitcher vs the best offense in the game and the defense decide to give extra outs. Help the old man out, catch the ball when its hit to you.
And get that shit out of here  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 9:16 pm : link
TWO plays. He got taken out by a heads up play from a good player the second he received the baseball and still recorded an out. Give me a fucking break.
I immediately like  
ZGiants98 : 6/18/2015 9:20 pm : link
Verrett. Nice mix of pitches.
RE: Flores fanatics  
PhiPsi125 : 6/18/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12334134 Giants2012 said:
Quote:
When he dives and comes up empty, they don't count those as errors whereas a SS with range gets to the ball. He's been diving for almost two games and come up empty. Take off the blinders.


Your act is tired and a bore. Yawn...

You are so miserable. You probably go to Little League games and mock the 8 years olds too.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner