Well the off season is over let's take a look at some of our key players for this year. The first guy on the list has to be Eli Manning for many reasons the name, position and the unknown. Some of us love him some of us are still not sure who he is and many of us are still straddling the fence.
Eli for all his accomplishments has never taken the step to become one of the top five QB's in the league with any consistency. In today's pass happy league he has yet to put together two very good or good years back to back. He has never been one to blame others but the buck does stop at the QB position in the case of wins or losses. The wheel of time has been turning for him and no one can win against old age.
His numbers will not impress you but he could end his career with numbers that could place him in the HOF. Now many will say the two SB wins and MVP's have assured him a place in the halls of NFL glory. However in the past few months we have seen many teams make a commitment to what they would consider their franchise QB's. The giants have remained very quite about their plans where Eli is concerned however they have not said we don't want to keep him either which is very important.
So what do we really have in Eli is he just a good QB yet not top five NFL quality? He has games where most of us have to ask ourselves WTH was that. He is about as limited an athlete as we have seen play the QB position without three to five knee surgeries. His arm while not sure if the word is good is also not a special thing. His head is given credit as one of the best in the business yet we still get those WTH was that plays way to often during the season. If you ask him to run with the ball the odds of success drop to less then 30/40 percent while the turnover percentage increases to well over 70%.
So now for this years hope, one it will be the second year in the WC offense and hopefully a healthy OBJ. He was a different QB once OBJ got on the field but as happens often in the NFL what was hard to stop one year can fizzle or burn out very quickly the next year. The running game will play a very big role in the odds on Eli having two very good years back to back and maybe a quality season.
The real question is can Eli perform at a high level from start to finish this Season. In truth the Dallas game is not a good way to start the season for Eli or the team a win may bring false hope while a loss puts the team on a downward slide to begin the season in the division. To put to much effort into this game and come away with a loss has in the past proven more than those teams could handle. Eli will become a key player from the start of the what looks like a show me what U can do season for him. Eli will not win or loose every game but he will be one of the main reasons why we win or lose 6-8 games.
Can Eli carry the franchise virtually single handedly; no. Few if any current QBs can.
Given a reasonably skilled and healthy supporting cast, does Eli have what it takes to perform at a very high level and lead the Giants to the playoffs and another championship; I believe the answer is a resounding yes.
Wait 'till he hangs up the cleats. Then you'll realize what "we" have/had.
JFC.
What I will say is that the OP shits on Eli just as much as anyone else does. Thats all you need to know.
I think the reason that the contract talks haven't really got going is that the Giants know they need him back. They are hoping against hope, that Eli will think the franchise is a little uncertain about his future with the team and hope to get him to sign a more favorable contract.
That's my take on the situation. And BTW Dragon, you do realize that Eli has played almost his entire NFL career in the most complex hi-risk, hi-reward vertical offense ever employed at the NFL level. His stats would be much better if he was in a similar offense to McAdoo's for his career.
Perfect!
As for the arm being average please revisit the mannings throw to manningham in the Super Bowl then shut the fuck up
The guy is a great qb end of story.
Worry about the offensive line, worry about players staying healthy so they can develop in and with the system. Then worry about Eli.
He gets little respect around the league, in media and even amongst fans.
I think he's fantastic and keeps the Giants competitive in any game regardless of the opponent. Great career but may not make the hall though I would vote for him and hope he makes it
What I will say is that the OP shits on Eli just as much as anyone else does. Thats all you need to know.
If we're going to go ad hominem, it should be noted that you are the biggest Eli cheerleader on this site and likely have never once criticized him even when justified by his stretches of terribly inconsistent play.
Insane and a bit sad.
Guy is the greatest of all time.
Guy is the greatest of all time.
That could end up with two more Superbowl wins since he so inconsistent that he wins every 4 years:)
Wait 'till he hangs up the cleats. Then you'll realize what "we" have/had.
JFC.
+1. also his arm strength is not in question. He throws one of the best deep balls in the game
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over the post in itself, because it is literally a waste of time.
What I will say is that the OP shits on Eli just as much as anyone else does. Thats all you need to know.
If we're going to go ad hominem, it should be noted that you are the biggest Eli cheerleader on this site and likely have never once criticized him even when justified by his stretches of terribly inconsistent play.
Seriously you ate probably the most pathetic poster on this site. I have never started started a single eli thread spouting how great he is. Not once. What I do is when people like yourself make moronic posts like this that criticize him for no reason. Every time he misses a pass or throws an INT, idiots like yourself say we'll there's the bad eli, or eli is so inconsistent, or even throw out the good Ole he will never be his brother....
The fact is posters like you who think are "objective or rational" are absolutley gull of shit and your track record speaks for itself. Yiu absolutley rent a rational poster, you are are shit stirrer to get people's attention. As are matter of fact I doubt you are even are giants fan to begin with.
There have been plenty of times where I cited eli threw a bad pass or made a bad deciision...but I am also smart enough to realize that EVERY QB in the league does so to stress it every time he does it like you do is just dumb and pointless.
Grow up. Your shtick is old and beyond pathetic.
You make statements regarding facts and never back it up with facts or reasoning. What defines "long stetches " 2013? Where the whole team sucked?
And it's funny how eli is the only problem where you criticize for being inconsistent. See a pattern? Doubt it. Cause if you did, tour purpose on this board would diminish greatly. Hopefully one day, you will smarten up and you will cease from this board.
I think the offense has had bouts of inconsistencies. And that typically has to do with talent around him specifically OL in recent years given his lack of mobility. Since the lughtbulb clicked in 07 the guy has been a great qb. My only major knock I would say is his mobilty. Plus it should be noted that gilbrides system was pretty boom or bust. If everything wasn't clicking it could look pretty ugly.
Lets all hope we get the good Eli for most of this season because if we get the other Eli then there is no telling what the future will bring at QB for the Giants.
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You could argue for 6-8, or you could argue 1-3. I'd lean towards the latter, but even the former says that Eli is elite among current QB's.
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“It’s a different feeling, man,’’ Ellis told The Post on Wednesday while sitting by his locker after practice. “I notice in practice having a franchise quarterback of Eli Manning’s caliber is a lot different in practice than when I was with the Jets. Those guys are good quarterbacks, but having a franchise, Super Bowl-winning quarterback, practice is a lot different. The feel of it is a lot different. The way it’s run is different, and it’s a beautiful thing. I really like it.’’
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Eli is obviously on a different level than Geno Smith both in terms of skill set and experience and leadership. Would be curious to hear Vereen, Harris and McAdoo comment on how different Eli is from Brady, Romo and Rodgers :)
Besides Andrew Luck, what Quarterback drafted in the past five years has done anything remotely close to any of those guys?
And don't give me Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick. I'm talking about true passers. If you want to start talking about guys like that, we're going to have to gut the whole team because those teams are not built around the QB position like ours is, and you better be prepared to have an incredible o-line and RB the caliber of Marshawn Lynch or Frank Gore (who also don't grow on trees) to go with it.
the thought of seeing geno smith as the giants starting Qb made me gag.
I'd say the odds are most likely the eventual successor will be someone in between a smith/sanchez and Rodgers/brady. e.g. alex smith, nick foles, andy Dalton, Russell Wilson.
And in order to get one of these special QB talents, you either need to be extremely bad one year (which im sure would go over well here on BBI), or get very lucky and have a solid QB drop to you late in the first round or in the later rounds. I wouldnt want to sign up for either of those scenarios in the next 3+ years.
Excuse me, but are you saying Eli doesn't have speed? Listen to what Eli has to say about that
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Lets all hope we get the good Eli for most of this season because if we get the other Eli then there is no telling what the future will bring at QB for the Giants.
Why wouldn't we get good Eli? He is in a system he deems QB friendly and seems to say that almost every interview. Year 2 brings an understanding of the system and added plays. His arm appears to be stronger, and has a good OTA and mini camp.
I expect him to have a good year. If he doesn't I'd be very surprised. Maybe that's what the Giants want to see. I believe in this system he can improve on his numbers.
Obviously I want Eli to get us another SB win. However, I would love to see Eli add to his stats in this system and erase the stigma or negatives that have been associated with his game. I really hope to see between 35-40 Tds this season and more than 4K yards passing. That would be a very good year 2.
Sorry, but I don't think most WOULD agree. Eli is a franchise QB and they don't come along very often. You don't just give up and let them go. If there are changes to be made you start with the coaching staff, not the franchise QB.
That's a Hall of Fame post right there.
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Is the QB of the Giants that's a given at this point but I think most would agree that a bad season by the team and Eli could see major changes including Eli.
Sorry, but I don't think most WOULD agree. Eli is a franchise QB and they don't come along very often. You don't just give up and let them go. If there are changes to be made you start with the coaching staff, not the franchise QB.
Exactly. Go back and look at Elway's career.
well said