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NFT: Mets Minors 6/19/2015

DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 10:05 am
AAA-
Pill 1.2 innings 8 hits 7 runs 2 walks 1 k (awful)
Muno 3-4, 2b, BB
Tovar 0-3
Rivera 1-3, 2b
Kirk 2-4, HR
Reynolds 0-2, 2 k's


AA
Cecchini 0-4, 1 BB, 2 k's
Maz 0-5, 2 k
Conforto 3-5, 2b (gotta be entering the "promote to add a spark" discussion pretty soon, 40 man issue may hold him back t0 2016)
Nimmo 2-5, 2 2b
Fulmer 6.1 innings 7 hits 1 run 3 walks 6 k's (nice start, walks are an issue so far this year)
Koch 1.2 innings 1 hit 0 run 0 walks 3 k's (FB up to 96 out of the pen)

A+
Stuart 1-4, k, SB (Stuart is a sad case. Tools to help the Mets one day, but k rate is absolutely awful)
McNeil 2-5, SB
Smith 3-4 (raking)
Rosario 1-4
Whalen 4.2 innings 4 hits 3 runs 4 walks 5 k's (not overly impressed with Whalen, local kid or not)

Savannah
Guillorme 0-4, 2 k's (0 for last 10 with 6 k's)
Becerra 0-4, K
Reyes 8.2 innings 3 hits 0 er 0 walks 11 k's (absolutely ancient for the level, live arm, promote)
Duff 0.1 1 k

Big 2014 IFA signing Kenny Hernandez is now 3/43 with 11 k's...............


Cyclones season begins today
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When does Smith get promoted? I know he was quite stagnant last  
PhiPsi125 : 6/19/2015 10:12 am : link
season and the beginning of this season, but he's been on a tear for a while now. Did it click? I know there's still a lack of power but he's been unconscious.
RE: When does Smith get promoted? I know he was quite stagnant last  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 10:17 am : link
In comment 12334676 PhiPsi125 said:
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season and the beginning of this season, but he's been on a tear for a while now. Did it click? I know there's still a lack of power but he's been unconscious.


Almost certainly won't be. No reason to at this point. Will likely play out the year in St. Lucie. The Mets don't push guys during hot streaks like this. He's very young.
Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 10:20 am : link
had a .906 OPS in St. Lucie and still waited 62 games to be promoted. Smith may see a few games at the end of the year but he's in St. Lucie for 2015.
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 10:26 am : link
Has been awful but Sandy had him in SD... I'd take a flier on a minor league deal http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/staufti01.shtml #mets
Dom Smith  
Shecky : 6/19/2015 10:28 am : link
Agree with Dan 100%. Though there is really no one blocking Dom in Bing or Vegas. A "dominant" season by Smith in PSL is a lot more important to his development than a promo to AA is.
RE: Dom Smith  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12334737 Shecky said:
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Agree with Dan 100%. Though there is really no one blocking Dom in Bing or Vegas. A "dominant" season by Smith in PSL is a lot more important to his development than a promo to AA is.


Had to build up his confidence once already this year. No real advantage to a promotion any time soon anyway. Duda is here for a "few years". 2016 Dom will be in Bing and then we will go from there. I actually see a LOT of guys who should be promoted but Dom isn't one of them.
Hernandez  
Mike in NY : 6/19/2015 11:11 am : link
At least he hasn't reached Shaq Thompson levels
RE: Hernandez  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12334885 Mike in NY said:
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At least he hasn't reached Shaq Thompson levels


He's Kenji Garcia 2.0 :)
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I don't see any point in holding Conforto back  
CMicks3110 : 6/19/2015 11:42 am : link
he clearly can add something to this offense. Maybe similar stats to David Wright 2nd half of 2004. He would be a major upgrade over one of cuddyer/granderson. And we don't have to trade anyone to get a bat. Plus, we're in 1st place, the Nats are reeling with injuries. I don't get the punt to 2016 talk by anyone in this organization, its a loser's mentality. We can win. We have 3 studs, with a 4th one on their way. You add Conforto, get murphy back, and possibly wright later in the year and maybe add a bullpen piece and a bat off the bench and we'd have a serious shot in the playoffs. Especially with Harvey and DeGrom at the top of the rotation. I would seriously entertain acquiring Aroldis Chapman to team with Familia.
Pitchers under 25  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 11:47 am : link
18. LHP Steven Matz (24), New York Mets

One of the ZiPS' favorites -- and one of mine -- the less-heralded Matz is starting to get a lot more attention, even upping his strikeout rate in his first go-around in AAA from his breakout (and healthy) 2014 season. While Dillon Gee's pitching ultimately made him expendable, the opportunity to possibly give Matz a shot in the majors certainly hastened that process. Yes, I'm placing Matz above Bradley.


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10. RHP Noah Syndergaard (22), New York Mets

Strangely late in the season, the Mets have finally fully realized that "Thor" is one of their five best starting pitchers. In seven MLB starts, Syndergaard has struck out almost 10 batters a game and put up a 2.91 FIP. And most importantly, he doesn't need Tommy John surgery, which seems to be a popular thing for young Mets pitchers.
I doubt we see Conforto this year unless there's an injury  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 11:47 am : link
September call up seems possible, but otherwise I don't think they bring him up unless Grandy/Cuddyer/Duda go to the DL. If one of those guys get hurt, and he's still raking I think he gets called up because everyone already knows how the Eric Campbell experiment will go. Maybe that's when they make a trade at that point for a good 4th OFer, but I suspect they will debate whether or not any pickup available is a better option than Conforto, and ultimately go with the option who won't cost assets or $.
Generally  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:09 pm : link
not a Collins hater but MMO brings up a good point... why even discuss how much Lagares elbow is bothering him? Doesn't that encourage other teams to run more?
DMM  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 12:15 pm : link
I would give TC a pass on that one, all of the advanced scouts for the other teams know it.
RE: DMM  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12335079 Headhunter said:
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I would give TC a pass on that one, all of the advanced scouts for the other teams know it.


Fair enough but I don't see the upside and then Sandy comes back and downplays it aka "not the message we wanted out there" not a big deal just weird to do.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 12:16 pm : link
2016 OF... Conforto, Lagares, J-Up

Make it fucking happen.
Cyclones  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:17 pm : link
opening day start Tyler Badamo used to attend Cyclones games as a kid. How cool.
cmick  
jayg5 : 6/19/2015 12:17 pm : link
I'd love to add Chapman. Realistically, what would he cost in a trade?
I agree that TC  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 12:18 pm : link
has put stuff out there that seems to contradict what the FO puts out there. You wonder how much rope TC has
RE: cmick  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:18 pm : link
In comment 12335089 jayg5 said:
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I'd love to add Chapman. Realistically, what would he cost in a trade?


Matz, Conforto or Thor aka he won't be a Met.
Tonight  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:19 pm : link
-Bowman, Gsellman, Oswalt, Badamo
Dan  
jayg5 : 6/19/2015 12:20 pm : link
Very true if that's the case.
There  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:23 pm : link
just isn't a realistic deal where the Mets hold onto

deGrom, Harvey, Conforto, Thor, Matz and still come up with the best possible deal for Chapman. They just signed Mesoraco (and took a catcher high in the draft) so Plawecki is of no interest to them. So unless you think the very best they can do is a Brandon Nimmo headlined deal (almost no chance) he won't be a Met. I actually would do a deal of Nimmo (plus) for Chapman if it were a possibility. Chapman + Familia is a world series caliber back end.
Lindsay  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:23 pm : link
and Wotell assigned to GCL
why do you need to trade  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 12:28 pm : link
any of those players? I get that a Chapman would change the back of the bullpen for the better. It seems to me that SA will give away the Mazzoni's, Wieck's, MDD's in the system, but will hold onto the top tier guys. He has been building this for 5 years, I can wait till the in-house pieces get here.
RE: why do you need to trade  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:30 pm : link
In comment 12335122 Headhunter said:
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any of those players? I get that a Chapman would change the back of the bullpen for the better. It seems to me that SA will give away the Mazzoni's, Wieck's, MDD's in the system, but will hold onto the top tier guys. He has been building this for 5 years, I can wait till the in-house pieces get here.


To add Chapman you need to pay that price. Not being snarky but I don't understand the question? I'm not saying they SHOULD trade a deGrom, Harvey, Conforto, Matz or Thor for him. I'm saying given his value, market THAT would be the cost. I'd be fine giving up Nimmo in such a deal, but pretty positive the Reds would scoff. Plawecki has no value to them.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 12:30 pm : link
I'd love Aroldis but that's not a "need"

We have an elite, young closer. We need to fix the 8th inning and we don't need to give up our best prospects to do it.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:32 pm : link
just don't believe Brandon Nimmo will ever be a guy we truly regret giving up. I'd love to be wrong but I think any given year there will be guys you can add/trade for that will give you what he can. Below average power corner OF with no real speed can only have so much value. I suspect he's closer to a David DeJesus vs. a difference maker. Conforto seems closer to in his prime Andre Ethier a much more valuable commodity.
my question would be  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 12:33 pm : link
without being snarky is should we be preparing these packages for everybody that might be an upgrade? I know you are not suggesting it, and I all think we know enough that elite players would cost a lot
Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:34 pm : link
100 AA games 8 homers (2 this season) 21 doubles 6 triples, 5 steals. I'd love to be proven wrong but I'm not getting a special vibe from him at all.
RE: my question would be  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12335137 Headhunter said:
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without being snarky is should we be preparing these packages for everybody that might be an upgrade? I know you are not suggesting it, and I all think we know enough that elite players would cost a lot


Unless it's a clear no-brainer deal then the Mets should not be moving any of their elite pieces. But that also means being okay with not landing big upgrades. Teams aren't giving up a good starting OF better than Cuddyer or Granderson for a Plawecki or a Nimmo at this time. Same with Chapman. Gotta aim lower. I suggested a Parra/K-Rod deal for Gsellman and a second similar guy. That's the kind of deal Sandy should be looking at. I'd love to find some speed for tge bench as well.
I have no interest in Chapman at the price it will likely cost  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 12:39 pm : link
If it's a Chapman/Frazier combo and they are sure the breakout with Frazier is real, then maybe I'd give up one of our "blue chips", but otherwise I think the BP may be strong enough on it's own once healthy. Definitely strong enough for this season it's already a strength of the team and projects to get better with the returns of Mejia and eventually Blevins.

If they wanted an elite back end they should have signed Miller. He and Familia would have been a nasty combo and they could have afforded him simply by non-tendering both Gee/Parnell. But who knows? Maybe Parnell becomes more of a pitcher and steps into the 8th inning role?
deep down I don't think we need to  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 12:40 pm : link
add big pieces, it would speed things up, but I believe if we stay the course and wait( & hope) people get healthy and a couple of our young elite prospects ( Matz & Conforto) blossom when they arrive, I'd be happier than trade some of the kids we have been following
RE: RE: my question would be  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12335144 DanMetroMan said:
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without being snarky is should we be preparing these packages for everybody that might be an upgrade? I know you are not suggesting it, and I all think we know enough that elite players would cost a lot



Unless it's a clear no-brainer deal then the Mets should not be moving any of their elite pieces. But that also means being okay with not landing big upgrades. Teams aren't giving up a good starting OF better than Cuddyer or Granderson for a Plawecki or a Nimmo at this time. Same with Chapman. Gotta aim lower. I suggested a Parra/K-Rod deal for Gsellman and a second similar guy. That's the kind of deal Sandy should be looking at. I'd love to find some speed for tge bench as well.


I agree 100%. At this point if they want an impact player they might as well start getting a bid ready for Upton this offseason. He is just as good, if not better, than any other bat that has changed teams in the last 3+ seasons. Unless I'm forgetting someone obvious.

Speedy/veteran 4th OFer is 100% the direction they should go this season to improve the club. A BP arm would be nice, but I actually think they have enough there to get by assuming the medical stuff isn't worse than they are letting on.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 12:42 pm : link
We'd have to clear our system to get Frazier and Chapman in the same deal.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:45 pm : link
do a Gsellman + lottery ticket type to the Brewers for K-Rod and Parra. Improve around the edges. I wouldn't mind an upgrade in the utility IF role because Campbell stanks.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:50 pm : link
find it hard to believe the Mets will pay the price on Upton but we shall see. Gotta believe 8-10 years at the highest AAV ever given out by the team. I'm guessing 160-200 million.
I would think  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 12:50 pm : link
if SA was inclined to, he could put together great packages included our best young guys and get a great return. I think his plan is to do it mostly from within because of real money issues and it could work
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:52 pm : link
Aroldis Chapman, LHP, Reds


Since we're on a closer roll, we can't overlook the best of them all. On one hand, Chapman is the only closer out there whom other teams drool over. And unlike Papelbon, who can block deals to 17 teams, Chapman has no control over where he ends up. So it won't be just clubs looking for pure closers that have interest.

On the other hand, the Reds have all major deals on hold for another four weeks, until after the All-Star Game. So teams in need of immediate help might not be able to wait that long. Nevertheless, he's a dominator who can't be a free agent until after 2016. And "he's on the short list of the very best guys out there," said one of the execs quoted earlier. So next to Hamels, he might be the biggest difference-maker on the shelves next month.

Our prediction: Gets traded to the Dodgers to form a scary, late-inning, swing-and-miss tag team with Jansen.
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Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12335165 arcarsenal said:
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We'd have to clear our system to get Frazier and Chapman in the same deal.


Oh it would be a massive haul - like Matz, Nimmo, Plawecki, Montero, & Robles. But if it only required 1 of our top 3 guys as part of the package we'd probably have to consider it, and it's still probably more than most other teams could offer (that's 3 top 100 prospects and 2 pitchers who could step into the clubhouse staff right away when healthy - most teams don't have that).

It's all likely moot though because the Reds are only 5 games under .500 and it seems much more likely they will try to keep Frazier long term.
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Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12335177 DanMetroMan said:
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find it hard to believe the Mets will pay the price on Upton but we shall see. Gotta believe 8-10 years at the highest AAV ever given out by the team. I'm guessing 160-200 million.


I don't see it unless they can find a taker for Granderson.

Dan, what do you think of adding Victorino? He should be coming back from DL soon but doesn't really have a spot open in the lineup. He's always hurt but in a 4th OF role it seems like he's a lightning in a bottle type of guy. Might even be able to nab him for Gee/Niese at this point.
Could  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:56 pm : link
be the first star player from Germany
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 12:57 pm : link
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find it hard to believe the Mets will pay the price on Upton but we shall see. Gotta believe 8-10 years at the highest AAV ever given out by the team. I'm guessing 160-200 million.



I don't see it unless they can find a taker for Granderson.

Dan, what do you think of adding Victorino? He should be coming back from DL soon but doesn't really have a spot open in the lineup. He's always hurt but in a 4th OF role it seems like he's a lightning in a bottle type of guy. Might even be able to nab him for Gee/Niese at this point.


I'd take a guy like that for really cheap. PJ says his rep is very poor in the clubhouse however so I have no idea?
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12335185 Eric on Li said:
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We'd have to clear our system to get Frazier and Chapman in the same deal.



Oh it would be a massive haul - like Matz, Nimmo, Plawecki, Montero, & Robles. But if it only required 1 of our top 3 guys as part of the package we'd probably have to consider it, and it's still probably more than most other teams could offer (that's 3 top 100 prospects and 2 pitchers who could step into the clubhouse staff right away when healthy - most teams don't have that).

It's all likely moot though because the Reds are only 5 games under .500 and it seems much more likely they will try to keep Frazier long term.


I think Conforto would have to be in there instead of Nimmo for them to make that deal with us.

I obviously agree that if it only took one of Matz/Thor/Conforto I'd do it in a second. I just don't see any way CIN would.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 12:59 pm : link
The idea of Niese for Victorino was floated around for a while a month or so ago. I would definitely do that if it was on the table.
I don't think it will cost one of our blue chippers for Chapman  
CMicks3110 : 6/19/2015 1:03 pm : link
he's a Free Agent after 2016, and he's not a starter. The cubs got highway robbery for Samardjiza last year, but a trade similar to what was given up for Kimbrel (who was under contract much longer) seems reasonable. I think Nimmo, Montero, and Niese and we take back Brandon Phillips and its a deal. Mets should be able to afford Phillips' salary with Murphy coming off the books, and them getting some money back for wright being on the DL.
RE: I don't think it will cost one of our blue chippers for Chapman  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12335213 CMicks3110 said:
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he's a Free Agent after 2016, and he's not a starter. The cubs got highway robbery for Samardjiza last year, but a trade similar to what was given up for Kimbrel (who was under contract much longer) seems reasonable. I think Nimmo, Montero, and Niese and we take back Brandon Phillips and its a deal. Mets should be able to afford Phillips' salary with Murphy coming off the books, and them getting some money back for wright being on the DL.


Kimbrel is not at all analogous. The Braves were dumping tons of salary in the deal (BJ Upton) nearly 50 million owed. Not even close to similar.
Yeah I think that's the perfect guy for this team  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 1:05 pm : link
In his very limited time this year he had 3 SBs and his wRC+ is 110.

2 years ago he was a 6 WAR player with a wRC+ of 119.

Obviously you'd hope to get a good report from scouts that he's moving around well on defense, etc. But he's the perfect guy to start 3-4 games a week total across all OF positions and come in as a late game double switch guy for defense/pinch hitting/pinch running. Can leadoff when he plays for Granderson and let Cuddyer not get run down too much in general.
last post was re: Victorino  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 1:06 pm : link
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The  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 1:07 pm : link
Mets aren't taking Brandon Phillips and his 27 million 2016-2017 salary. Absolutely positively no way.
RE: Generally  
Shecky : 6/19/2015 1:07 pm : link
In comment 12335063 DanMetroMan said:
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not a Collins hater but MMO brings up a good point... why even discuss how much Lagares elbow is bothering him? Doesn't that encourage other teams to run more?


Who is MMO?
I think Collins made a much bigger mistake in his comments than Legares arm, went right under the radar thankfully.
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