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NFT: Mets Minors 6/19/2015

DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 10:05 am
AAA-
Pill 1.2 innings 8 hits 7 runs 2 walks 1 k (awful)
Muno 3-4, 2b, BB
Tovar 0-3
Rivera 1-3, 2b
Kirk 2-4, HR
Reynolds 0-2, 2 k's


AA
Cecchini 0-4, 1 BB, 2 k's
Maz 0-5, 2 k
Conforto 3-5, 2b (gotta be entering the "promote to add a spark" discussion pretty soon, 40 man issue may hold him back t0 2016)
Nimmo 2-5, 2 2b
Fulmer 6.1 innings 7 hits 1 run 3 walks 6 k's (nice start, walks are an issue so far this year)
Koch 1.2 innings 1 hit 0 run 0 walks 3 k's (FB up to 96 out of the pen)

A+
Stuart 1-4, k, SB (Stuart is a sad case. Tools to help the Mets one day, but k rate is absolutely awful)
McNeil 2-5, SB
Smith 3-4 (raking)
Rosario 1-4
Whalen 4.2 innings 4 hits 3 runs 4 walks 5 k's (not overly impressed with Whalen, local kid or not)

Savannah
Guillorme 0-4, 2 k's (0 for last 10 with 6 k's)
Becerra 0-4, K
Reyes 8.2 innings 3 hits 0 er 0 walks 11 k's (absolutely ancient for the level, live arm, promote)
Duff 0.1 1 k

Big 2014 IFA signing Kenny Hernandez is now 3/43 with 11 k's...............


Cyclones season begins today
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 1:10 pm : link
Take back Brandon Phillips and put him where? Even if you assumed we'd take on the remainder of his contract (no chance), there's nowhere to play him.
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Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 1:10 pm : link
In comment 12335219 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets aren't taking Brandon Phillips and his 27 million 2016-2017 salary. Absolutely positively no way.


It would get confusing to go through all the machinations, but if the Reds loved Herrera as a big piece for Frazier, I could see the Mets taking Phillips and the Reds taking some combo of Murphy/Gee/Niese to balance salary. But you would also obviously have to put a Matz/Thor/Conforto in the deal to the Reds also, and I'm not sold that Frazier is the next Bautista so I'd likely pass altogether.

Ken Rosenthal thinks the Reds  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 1:10 pm : link
should hold onto Frazier
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The  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 1:11 pm : link
Braves dumped 50 million with Upton, 25 to Kimbrel and still got Maybin and a top 40 prospect in the game in Wisler, the Padres 2nd rounder from 2013 (Paroubek) and the 41st overall pick in the 2015 draft.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 1:15 pm : link
fully believe in Frazier and still wouldn't pay the price.
RE: I  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12335240 DanMetroMan said:
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fully believe in Frazier and still wouldn't pay the price.


I agree - but if they simply don't have the money to pay big $ to an Upton, they aren't going to have many alternatives to overpaying with prospects unless they plan on just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle with a crappy lineup and great pitching.

For as close as a lot of their big position prospects are getting, I'm not sure it's fair to expect that any of them can be the type of difference maker they need in the next 1-2 years.
Problem  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 1:20 pm : link
with late bloomers is you are usually stuck giving out stupid deals (Bautista and Ortiz the outliers). I mean say the Mets do give up a MONSTER deal for Frazier... your options are... enjoy him for 2.5 seasons and then he walks OR give a guy who will be 31 in year 1 of his new deal... an 7-8 year extension... and look at how that is working out for David Wright.
Confront can be that guy  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 1:21 pm : link
it is not hard to see him having a 2004 DW effect on the team
RE: Confront can be that guy  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12335253 Headhunter said:
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it is not hard to see him having a 2004 DW effect on the team


I hope so. That is the absolute best chance this team has to take the next leap.
I'm a Toms River guy  
jayg5 : 6/19/2015 1:23 pm : link
Would love to have Frazier on the mets!
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 1:24 pm : link
I am all in on Conforto. I 100% believe he is legitimate. And not just because of the last couple months.
Conforto  
Deej : 6/19/2015 1:26 pm : link
has barely had his cup of coffee about A ball. He's about 75 PAs in AA, right? Calling him up soon would be a rush job IMO. Get to 200 ABs and evaluate from there.
RE: Problem  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 1:28 pm : link
In comment 12335251 DanMetroMan said:
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with late bloomers is you are usually stuck giving out stupid deals (Bautista and Ortiz the outliers). I mean say the Mets do give up a MONSTER deal for Frazier... your options are... enjoy him for 2.5 seasons and then he walks OR give a guy who will be 31 in year 1 of his new deal... an 7-8 year extension... and look at how that is working out for David Wright.


Maybe you use the reasonable couple years as leverage to add on a reasonable extension that guarantees more $ now? But all in all I don't see them doing that and spending a ton of money blocking Wright until he literally retires which is probably at minimum a season away. Unless they think they could always just move Frazier to the OF.

Dumping Granderson and getting a better OF'er (like Braun or Upton) or trading one of our MI'ers as part of a package for an upgrade up the middle (like Tulowitzki) are theoretically possible but I don't think any of these deals are at all likely. I'd give all of them well under a 5% chance of happening.
Can we do a 3way  
CMicks3110 : 6/19/2015 1:28 pm : link
with Plawecki going somewhere else, with Maybe Plawecki and another piece going to the Cubs for Baez, and then sending Baez to the reds for Chapman. Just thinking out of the Box here. I think Chapman is the perfect fit for the Mets. I would not touch Thor/Matz/Syndergaard. Maybe we can do a PTBNL and put Wheeler in a deal for Chapman, or a deal to get a piece for Chapman.
We have pieces outside of Thor/Matz/Conforto to do a deal  
CMicks3110 : 6/19/2015 1:29 pm : link
Wheeler, Herrera, Cecchini, Nimmo, Dom Smith, Rosario, Reynolds, Montero, Plawecki. These players can be mixed and matched in some way to get a deal done.
How much more experience does Schwarber who was  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 1:30 pm : link
drafted in the same round as Conforto have?
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 1:33 pm : link
I don't get the obsession with Chapman. It's really not a major need at all.

I'd prefer to let Conforto do his thing in Bing or Vegas the rest of the year. If he's really, really mashing.. maybe a September call up at absolute fastest. But I'd really rather he just finish out the year in the minors and then compete for a job up here next spring.
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Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12335286 arcarsenal said:
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I don't get the obsession with Chapman. It's really not a major need at all.

I'd prefer to let Conforto do his thing in Bing or Vegas the rest of the year. If he's really, really mashing.. maybe a September call up at absolute fastest. But I'd really rather he just finish out the year in the minors and then compete for a job up here next spring.


If he's still mashing at 150-200 innings, which would be end of July/early August I'd consider bringing him up earlier if there were a role open (one of the COFers playing terribly or injured).
If they keep him down for more seasoning I'm fine with that  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 1:42 pm : link
If they brought him up today, I'd be fine with that. I believe hitters will hit and by that I mean consensus guys that everyone believes will hit
if he's the best player  
CMicks3110 : 6/19/2015 1:44 pm : link
bring him up. Again. I am very against punting on this season. We are in 1st place and we have several pieces coming back: Murphy, Mejia, Goeddel, hopefully Wright, and Matz should be up soon. So I think we have a legit playoff shot. If Conforto can hit, and it seems he can, bring him up and have Cuddyer/Granderson platoon.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 1:48 pm : link
I just think player progression and development is important. Sometimes you rush a guy and it's just too much on his plate and it throws a wrench in things. Like I said, if he's mashing for the next 2 months still, let him come up in Sept. I think any earlier than that is probably jumping the gun a little. Maybe it doesn't matter though.. every guy is different.
For  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 1:50 pm : link
Hat it's worth the Cubs claim Schwarbwr be sent down soon
Oh well  
Headhunter : 6/19/2015 1:52 pm : link
there goes that argument
forget Chapman  
spike : 6/19/2015 1:55 pm : link
I'd be happy to have an effective Mejia back.
Cubs  
Shecky : 6/19/2015 1:55 pm : link
I believe the initial plan was for him to DH till Sunday then be sent down regardless of how he plays. I assume the Cubs stick tot hat plan, because its ummmm a plan...

Conforto is playing well. But to bring him up as a savior for our offense I think would be a huge mistake. Let him learn to be patient, let him learn to refine his approach, no need to set him back.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 1:59 pm : link
I know it's not the most likely scenario but say Murph comes back and we stick him at 3B and he picks up where he left off and is hitting. Then at some point a few weeks later, we get news that David Wright is ready to return.

What's the move? Obviously Wright goes to 3B and plays without any question. Do you put Murph on the bench and use him as utility IF? Attempt to deal him? Knowing how easily Wright could hypothetically wind up back on the shelf I'd have to think they'd want to hang onto Murph for insurance.. but it's also hard for me to envision him as a bench player (though it doesn't matter much)

I guess if we dealt Murph and Wright had another setback you could move Wilmer to 3rd more permanently but then you have to put Tejada out there at SS every day.
does Murphy  
spike : 6/19/2015 2:01 pm : link
get a QO this offseason?

If Wright is back to almost normal, you'd have to trade Murphy.
RE: does Murphy  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2015 2:07 pm : link
In comment 12335341 spike said:
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get a QO this offseason?

If Wright is back to almost normal, you'd have to trade Murphy.


not a chance. I know no one has accepted a QO yet, but I don't risk having to pay 15+M to Murphy for one year.

He's not that player and no advanced metric invented is going to tell me that's a good baseball or financial move.

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Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12335340 arcarsenal said:
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I know it's not the most likely scenario but say Murph comes back and we stick him at 3B and he picks up where he left off and is hitting. Then at some point a few weeks later, we get news that David Wright is ready to return.

What's the move? Obviously Wright goes to 3B and plays without any question. Do you put Murph on the bench and use him as utility IF? Attempt to deal him? Knowing how easily Wright could hypothetically wind up back on the shelf I'd have to think they'd want to hang onto Murph for insurance.. but it's also hard for me to envision him as a bench player (though it doesn't matter much)

I guess if we dealt Murph and Wright had another setback you could move Wilmer to 3rd more permanently but then you have to put Tejada out there at SS every day.


Not necessarily, Reynolds is an option. He's 24 years old and all of his numbers are pretty consistent with what he'd done last year in AAA (other than his BABIP).
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 2:19 pm : link
get the feeling the Mets view Reynolds as a Tejada replacement vs. a potential regular. .432 wOBA is okay, nothing special and a 104 wRC+ is okay by itself but something like 50th in the PCL. That's not a knock on Reynolds but I think they view him as a strong bench option. They also have Maz and McNeil who may be similar role players.
Man  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 2:21 pm : link
the more I look at the Cyclones the less eager I am to go to a game any time soon. Usually I'm amped but yuck.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 2:30 pm : link
to miller my own thread but curious about "audiences". Another site I frequent I posed this same question so I'll try it here and see if it's any different. 1 word answer, no questions allowed.... Marlins call the Mets and offer Stanton for Harvey 1 for one... Yes or no?
RE: Not  
speedywheels : 6/19/2015 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12335394 DanMetroMan said:
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to miller my own thread but curious about "audiences". Another site I frequent I posed this same question so I'll try it here and see if it's any different. 1 word answer, no questions allowed.... Marlins call the Mets and offer Stanton for Harvey 1 for one... Yes or no?


Yes.
I say that because  
speedywheels : 6/19/2015 2:33 pm : link
I get the sense that we'll lose Harvey to FA. Stanton's contract is ginormous, but at least we'd have him for the next 9 years...
RE: Not  
arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12335394 DanMetroMan said:
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to miller my own thread but curious about "audiences". Another site I frequent I posed this same question so I'll try it here and see if it's any different. 1 word answer, no questions allowed.... Marlins call the Mets and offer Stanton for Harvey 1 for one... Yes or no?


I'd drive Harvey to the airport. 100% yes.
RE: Not  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 2:39 pm : link
In comment 12335394 DanMetroMan said:
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to miller my own thread but curious about "audiences". Another site I frequent I posed this same question so I'll try it here and see if it's any different. 1 word answer, no questions allowed.... Marlins call the Mets and offer Stanton for Harvey 1 for one... Yes or no?


Yes 100%.

I actually wondered about that same question a couple weeks ago during one of the Kris Bryant/Bryce Harper discussions.
For  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 2:40 pm : link
what it's worth the other site has it 92% yes (11 votes so far).
yes  
spike : 6/19/2015 2:43 pm : link
sluggers are hard t o get nowadays
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 2:44 pm : link
Stanton hits the ball harder than anyone I've seen since the peak steroid era and power has become a rarer commodity than it used to be. There is no ballpark that can keep him inside the fences. He already plays in a gigantic one and it doesn't matter.

The guy is a fucking beast. I love Harvey and he has the stuff to be as good as anyone in baseball (and has looked the part at times already) but the pitching would be more plausible to recoup.
Yes  
Tanker20 : 6/19/2015 2:45 pm : link
Sorry more than one word

Easy yes for me. The Braves traded Shelby miller for heyward bay. I think we can do Harvey for the best (ish) hitter in the game. Plus I'm bored of being bored watching our offense. Plus our remaining rotation is still a top one (assuming health but then again Harvey could easily get hurt again)

Anyway, yes
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Named Later : 6/19/2015 2:49 pm : link
Yes.

elite hitters > elite pitchers  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 2:49 pm : link
It's just pure scarcity & injury risk. I'm not saying there isn't a similar rarity to Harvey skills, but there's certainly many more who are on a step just barely lower and the risk of injury is higher.
Somehow  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 2:55 pm : link
this guy was added to the BK roster... I'm guessing Brosher is in fact hurt
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DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 3:55 pm : link
Not sure where he reported this but @robertbrender apparently said Blake Taylor will be in @Kingsport_Mets #mets

Not exactly inspiring
Nevermind  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 3:58 pm : link
he was reading the old roster.
I take Harvey over Stanton  
Vanzetti : 6/19/2015 4:26 pm : link
Dominant pitchers can win a championship series. Look at Bumgarner last year. Hard to think of a hitter ever just basically carrying the team like that in the playoffs.

Over a 162 game season, Stanton might have more impact. But in the playoffs, a great pitcher can win 3 games in a series all by himself. Even the greatest hitter needs help from the other guys in the lineup. No hitter can dominate the way a pitcher can in a short series.
Truly  
DanMetroMan : 6/19/2015 4:33 pm : link
uninspiring/boring crop in BK

Gaby Almonte
Tyler Badamo
Matt Blackham
Nicco Blank
Gaither Bumgardner
Kevin Canelon
Jose Celas
Michael Gibbons
John Mincone
Craig Missigman
Christian Montgomery
Alex Palsha
Ruben Reyes
Corey Taylor
Carlos Valdez
Ty Williams
RE: I take Harvey over Stanton  
Shecky : 6/19/2015 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12335545 Vanzetti said:
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Dominant pitchers can win a championship series. Look at Bumgarner last year. Hard to think of a hitter ever just basically carrying the team like that in the playoffs.

Over a 162 game season, Stanton might have more impact. But in the playoffs, a great pitcher can win 3 games in a series all by himself. Even the greatest hitter needs help from the other guys in the lineup. No hitter can dominate the way a pitcher can in a short series.


As much as I love Stanton and drool at the thought of him as a Met. I agree - you take the rare ace over the hitter if your goal is to win the playoff games.

During a regular season a good hitter and goo pitcher both are directly involved in 600 ABs a season. In the playoffs the pitcher is involved in 40-50+ while the hitter only is directly involved in about 30.
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arcarsenal : 6/19/2015 4:38 pm : link
What Bumgarner did last year was basically unprecedented. I wouldn't even expect Harvey to do that (and I think Harvey is elite when he's on)

Hitters can absolutely carry a team if they're on fire. Beltran did it with the Astros in 2004.
Also this isn't a 1v1 redraft hypoethical, its for this team right?  
Eric on Li : 6/19/2015 4:40 pm : link
Meaning you still have JdG, Matz, Thor, Wheeler, Niese, Montero, Colon.
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