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Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/19/2015 6:51 pm
FYI.
Eli Manning, DeMarco Murray lead All-NFC East Team - ( New Window )
the Giants  
MookGiants : 6/19/2015 6:52 pm : link
put more on Eli?

Seems to me they put less on him last year versus previous years, not in terms of running the ball but in terms of how complex the playbook was and the reads he had to make.
No way would I put Scandrick over Prince  
robbieballs2003 : 6/19/2015 7:00 pm : link
I also think Pierre Garcon is a better receiver than DeSean Jackson.
Also  
robbieballs2003 : 6/19/2015 7:01 pm : link
it says a lot about the safety position in our division that Collins is already listed and hasn't even played one down of football yet.
wow  
mirwin : 6/19/2015 7:12 pm : link
we did good, only like 3 redskins too lol
No Hankins?  
giantgiantfan : 6/19/2015 7:17 pm : link
I mean really? The dude had 7 sacks. This Terrance Knighton dude has been in the league 4 more years than Hankins and only has 5.5 more sacks to show for it...
I like this version of the Giants...  
okiegiant : 6/19/2015 7:20 pm : link
I will withhold any real judgement until we see them in pads but I kinda like how this team is looking.
Eli over Romo?  
est1986 : 6/19/2015 7:41 pm : link
Idk if you can do that after Romo's year last season. Credit is due.
the  
blue42 : 6/19/2015 8:41 pm : link
writer was obviously influenced by the two super bowls Eli won while Romo was playing golf.
That's as genius  
fanatic II : 6/19/2015 11:15 pm : link
as this.
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RE: Also  
smshmth8690 : 6/19/2015 11:36 pm : link
In comment 12335724 robbieballs2003 said:
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it says a lot about the safety position in our division that Collins is already listed and hasn't even played one down of football yet.


...and 2 linebackers who were hurt last year.
I still don't get the Romo love last year  
JOrthman : 6/20/2015 3:11 am : link
He has had better years then last year. He just looked better last year because they had a great offensive line and they gave the ball to Murray more. Last years team was not about him.
RE: Eli over Romo?  
Toth029 : 6/20/2015 7:50 am : link
In comment 12335766 est1986 said:
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Idk if you can do that after Romo's year last season. Credit is due.

Romo is a quality QB, but this past year is not indicitive to that. He played behind a tremendous OL and one of the best run games.

He didn't even average 30 passes a game. Eli, meanwhile, average 37.5.
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Toth029 : 6/20/2015 7:51 am : link
indicative, whoops.
I don't get how you can name L. Collins  
chops : 6/20/2015 11:13 am : link
when he hasn't played a single game.
RE: I still don't get the Romo love last year  
fanatic II : 6/20/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12335999 JOrthman said:
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He has had better years then last year. He just looked better last year because they had a great offensive line and they gave the ball to Murray more. Last years team was not about him.


Here is an article that shows how Romo compares to the other QBs in the NFL, not just the NFC East.

Here is a telling paragraph.

Which brings us neatly back to Tony Romo. In 2014, Romo threw for a 100+ passer rating in 10 games (equaling his personal best from the 2007 season), and the Cowboys won every single one of those games. Over the three-year period from 2011-2013, Romo threw for 20 such games, but the Cowboys lost a stunning eight of the 20, for a win percentage of just .600. In our table above, that percentage would rank Romo 32nd out of 33 QBs. Which just goes to show that a QB can't win games by himself, and a great game by the QB won't mean much if he doesn't have the right supporting staff around him.

Ultimately, it's not one player that wins and loses games. Tony Romo has more than his fair share of detractors, but going by the company he keeps in the stats above, he is at the very top of the game. And last year, it looks like the rest of the team finally caught up.

That's what I've said before, Romo has always played at a very high level, consistently year in year out. It has been the rest of the team that has not played to his level.
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RE: RE: I still don't get the Romo love last year  
dep026 : 6/20/2015 5:44 pm : link
In comment 12336194 fanatic II said:
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He has had better years then last year. He just looked better last year because they had a great offensive line and they gave the ball to Murray more. Last years team was not about him.



Here is an article that shows how Romo compares to the other QBs in the NFL, not just the NFC East.

Here is a telling paragraph.

Which brings us neatly back to Tony Romo. In 2014, Romo threw for a 100+ passer rating in 10 games (equaling his personal best from the 2007 season), and the Cowboys won every single one of those games. Over the three-year period from 2011-2013, Romo threw for 20 such games, but the Cowboys lost a stunning eight of the 20, for a win percentage of just .600. In our table above, that percentage would rank Romo 32nd out of 33 QBs. Which just goes to show that a QB can't win games by himself, and a great game by the QB won't mean much if he doesn't have the right supporting staff around him.

Ultimately, it's not one player that wins and loses games. Tony Romo has more than his fair share of detractors, but going by the company he keeps in the stats above, he is at the very top of the game. And last year, it looks like the rest of the team finally caught up.

That's what I've said before, Romo has always played at a very high level, consistently year in year out. It has been the rest of the team that has not played to his level. Link - ( New Window )


Last year was room's best year and ironically it was the year they asked him to so the least. Also, it. Oukd be argued he was their 6th best offensive player. That's very, very telling.
fanatic  
BigBlueShock : 6/20/2015 6:07 pm : link
I'm seriously not sure, so I figured I'd ask. Have you owned up to being a Cowboys fan? Or are you trolling us and pretending to be a Giants fan? It's incredibly obvious that you're a Dallas fan, so why the hell are you here? The only threads you show up on are threads in which you ramble on and on and on about the Cowboys and their in workings. Awhile back, I remember you denied being a Cowboys fan, so I'm curious if you're still playing us for fools? Or did you own up to it?
BigBlueShock  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/20/2015 6:25 pm : link
Give the guy a break...it's got to gnaw at him that Eli has two Super Bowl MVP awards.
02/15  
Klaatu : 6/20/2015 6:36 pm : link
So, where has he been for the last ten years? Cowering in his mom's basement? Drowning his sorrows at the local TGI Fridays? Standing outside of MetLife Stadium...in the rain...shaking his fist and cursing Big Blue?
Very true Eric  
BigBlueShock : 6/20/2015 6:37 pm : link
I just can't imagine why he shows up here. I sure as heck wouldn't be visiting a Cowboys site.
Come on, Shock, that's an easy one.  
Klaatu : 6/20/2015 6:57 pm : link
The Cowboys were very good last year. They've been on an upswing while the Giants have sputtered. They've drafted well of late, putting together an outstanding offensive line, and they have, arguably, the best receiver in the league, and a pretty good QB, too.. They also swept the Giants the last two years, and will most likely be favored to do it again this year. No doubt they'll also be favored to win the division again.

Fanatic II must have figured that it was safe to come out now. You know...like a rodent.
RE: fanatic  
fanatic II : 6/20/2015 8:19 pm : link
In comment 12336320 BigBlueShock said:
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I'm seriously not sure, so I figured I'd ask. Have you owned up to being a Cowboys fan? Or are you trolling us and pretending to be a Giants fan? It's incredibly obvious that you're a Dallas fan, so why the hell are you here? The only threads you show up on are threads in which you ramble on and on and on about the Cowboys and their in workings. Awhile back, I remember you denied being a Cowboys fan, so I'm curious if you're still playing us for fools? Or did you own up to it?


It's quite obvious that I am a Dallas fan, and I have never denied it. I come not just to this site but to other sites of the fellow NFC East teams to see how Dallas is viewed. I respond on threads about Dallas when there are points made about Dallas that I feel are not accurate. I then post facts and don't speculate to make the point and give the poster and the board a different view of Dallas. You can then choose to accept it or not.

I find it amazing that no matter what board is visited there are posters that enjoy different views and then there are others that are annoyed that the party line is not being followed. It's part of human nature I guess.
RE: Come on, Shock, that's an easy one.  
fanatic II : 6/20/2015 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12336345 Klaatu said:
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The Cowboys were very good last year. They've been on an upswing while the Giants have sputtered. They've drafted well of late, putting together an outstanding offensive line, and they have, arguably, the best receiver in the league, and a pretty good QB, too.. They also swept the Giants the last two years, and will most likely be favored to do it again this year. No doubt they'll also be favored to win the division again.

Fanatic II must have figured that it was safe to come out now. You know...like a rodent.


I have been around longer then just last year. The posters are noticing my replies because Dallas is the major threat in the division.

You can stay on your local team site and get the same rah-rah threads 99% of the time, or you can venture out and see how other boards view your team. I like going to the opposing team sites the week before the scheduled game and reading the views of the board of the up coming game.

I don't troll. I respect the board. That's the difference. If I were to come on and start by bashing the opposing team and singing the praises of Dallas, this would be trolling. I like to engage in a dialogue where ideas and points are exchanged and discussed.
RE: BigBlueShock  
fanatic II : 6/20/2015 8:42 pm : link
In comment 12336327 Eric from BBI said:
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Give the guy a break...it's got to gnaw at him that Eli has two Super Bowl MVP awards.


It doesn't bother me, I am a secure individual and not the jealous type.
RE: RE: RE: I still don't get the Romo love last year  
fanatic II : 6/20/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12336309 dep026 said:
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He has had better years then last year. He just looked better last year because they had a great offensive line and they gave the ball to Murray more. Last years team was not about him.



Here is an article that shows how Romo compares to the other QBs in the NFL, not just the NFC East.

Here is a telling paragraph.

Which brings us neatly back to Tony Romo. In 2014, Romo threw for a 100+ passer rating in 10 games (equaling his personal best from the 2007 season), and the Cowboys won every single one of those games. Over the three-year period from 2011-2013, Romo threw for 20 such games, but the Cowboys lost a stunning eight of the 20, for a win percentage of just .600. In our table above, that percentage would rank Romo 32nd out of 33 QBs. Which just goes to show that a QB can't win games by himself, and a great game by the QB won't mean much if he doesn't have the right supporting staff around him.

Ultimately, it's not one player that wins and loses games. Tony Romo has more than his fair share of detractors, but going by the company he keeps in the stats above, he is at the very top of the game. And last year, it looks like the rest of the team finally caught up.

That's what I've said before, Romo has always played at a very high level, consistently year in year out. It has been the rest of the team that has not played to his level. Link - ( New Window )



Last year was room's best year and ironically it was the year they asked him to so the least. Also, it. Oukd be argued he was their 6th best offensive player. That's very, very telling.


Romo didn't do less, he was just more efficient.

It was the rest of the team that rose to Romo's level. That's why the team that went 8-8 for three years in a row was now 12-4.

Romo is the most indispensable player on Dallas. Take Romo out and teams will be crowding the LOS and challenging Dallas to beat them through the air. Bryant and the other receivers will also find that getting the ball will be more difficult because the accuracy will not be there.

That you believe that Romo is only the 6th best offensive player is just ridiculous.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I still don't get the Romo love last year  
dep026 : 6/20/2015 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12336408 fanatic II said:
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He has had better years then last year. He just looked better last year because they had a great offensive line and they gave the ball to Murray more. Last years team was not about him.



Here is an article that shows how Romo compares to the other QBs in the NFL, not just the NFC East.

Here is a telling paragraph.

Which brings us neatly back to Tony Romo. In 2014, Romo threw for a 100+ passer rating in 10 games (equaling his personal best from the 2007 season), and the Cowboys won every single one of those games. Over the three-year period from 2011-2013, Romo threw for 20 such games, but the Cowboys lost a stunning eight of the 20, for a win percentage of just .600. In our table above, that percentage would rank Romo 32nd out of 33 QBs. Which just goes to show that a QB can't win games by himself, and a great game by the QB won't mean much if he doesn't have the right supporting staff around him.

Ultimately, it's not one player that wins and loses games. Tony Romo has more than his fair share of detractors, but going by the company he keeps in the stats above, he is at the very top of the game. And last year, it looks like the rest of the team finally caught up.

That's what I've said before, Romo has always played at a very high level, consistently year in year out. It has been the rest of the team that has not played to his level. Link - ( New Window )



Last year was room's best year and ironically it was the year they asked him to so the least. Also, it. Oukd be argued he was their 6th best offensive player. That's very, very telling.



Romo didn't do less, he was just more efficient.

It was the rest of the team that rose to Romo's level. That's why the team that went 8-8 for three years in a row was now 12-4.

Romo is the most indispensable player on Dallas. Take Romo out and teams will be crowding the LOS and challenging Dallas to beat them through the air. Bryant and the other receivers will also find that getting the ball will be more difficult because the accuracy will not be there.

That you believe that Romo is only the 6th best offensive player is just ridiculous.


Saying romo is the most indispensable player on the team doesn't Carry much weight because you can say that about just about every qb in the league for their teams. Eli is y far and away our most indespensible player too, even though OBJ is clearly better.

And it's very debatable if he was their 6th best offensive player. Last time I checked dez, murray, and the 3 OL were incredible themselves. Romo wasn't even the mvp of his team, yet alone the league.
Oh bullshit  
BigBlueShock : 6/20/2015 9:09 pm : link
You only come on here when it suits you. You've never had a negative thing to say about the Cowboys on this site. If you're going to come on here and set us straight, how about you do it both ways? Stick your Pom pops up your ass.

Where do you live? You prolly couldn't point Texas out on a map, let alone Dallas. Cowboy fans drive me fucking insane. "I seen them on Thanksgiving when I was a snot faced shit stain.." Is the common rationale for someone rooting for Dallas. worst fans on the planet, and it's not close. When they are winning, those assclown fans are everywhere. But when they are losing, they're nowhere to be found. And you are no different.

Don't come here playing your "I'm here to educate" bullshit. Giants fans don't need a damn education from some dipshit Cowboys fan. That's like Lenny from "Of Mice and Men" trying to educate Albert Einstein.
RE: Oh bullshit  
fanatic II : 6/20/2015 9:26 pm : link
In comment 12336418 BigBlueShock said:
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You only come on here when it suits you. You've never had a negative thing to say about the Cowboys on this site. If you're going to come on here and set us straight, how about you do it both ways? Stick your Pom pops up your ass.

Where do you live? You prolly couldn't point Texas out on a map, let alone Dallas. Cowboy fans drive me fucking insane. "I seen them on Thanksgiving when I was a snot faced shit stain.." Is the common rationale for someone rooting for Dallas. worst fans on the planet, and it's not close. When they are winning, those assclown fans are everywhere. But when they are losing, they're nowhere to be found. And you are no different.

Don't come here playing your "I'm here to educate" bullshit. Giants fans don't need a damn education from some dipshit Cowboys fan. That's like Lenny from "Of Mice and Men" trying to educate Albert Einstein.


Wow, ok.

You fall into the "only one point of view is allowed" category.

You can choose to ignore me as I will you.
Wrong  
BigBlueShock : 6/20/2015 10:03 pm : link
You come here to set us straight. You said it yourself. You come here to run to your teams defense. That's not exactly coming here with an open mind. We don't need some random supposed Dallas fan coming on to a Giants site to tell us all how awesome the Cowboys are. and the fact that Dallas fans are the fakest, most fair weather, unknowledgable fans in sports, you've got a ways to go to earn our respect.
RE: Wrong  
dep026 : 6/21/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12336461 BigBlueShock said:
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You come here to set us straight. You said it yourself. You come here to run to your teams defense. That's not exactly coming here with an open mind. We don't need some random supposed Dallas fan coming on to a Giants site to tell us all how awesome the Cowboys are. and the fact that Dallas fans are the fakest, most fair weather, unknowledgable fans in sports, you've got a ways to go to earn our respect.


I only see him post when he defends Romo. Saying he should have been the MVP of the league last year is a joke since they relied more on Murray than they did Romo.
RE: RE: I still don't get the Romo love last year  
JOrthman : 6/21/2015 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12336194 fanatic II said:
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He has had better years then last year. He just looked better last year because they had a great offensive line and they gave the ball to Murray more. Last years team was not about him.



Here is an article that shows how Romo compares to the other QBs in the NFL, not just the NFC East.

Here is a telling paragraph.

Which brings us neatly back to Tony Romo. In 2014, Romo threw for a 100+ passer rating in 10 games (equaling his personal best from the 2007 season), and the Cowboys won every single one of those games. Over the three-year period from 2011-2013, Romo threw for 20 such games, but the Cowboys lost a stunning eight of the 20, for a win percentage of just .600. In our table above, that percentage would rank Romo 32nd out of 33 QBs. Which just goes to show that a QB can't win games by himself, and a great game by the QB won't mean much if he doesn't have the right supporting staff around him.

Ultimately, it's not one player that wins and loses games. Tony Romo has more than his fair share of detractors, but going by the company he keeps in the stats above, he is at the very top of the game. And last year, it looks like the rest of the team finally caught up.

That's what I've said before, Romo has always played at a very high level, consistently year in year out. It has been the rest of the team that has not played to his level. Link - ( New Window )


fanatic: You completely misread my post. It was not a knock on your boy. I said nothing bad about him. I was saying he has had much better years and carried the team more in other years. Last year was not one of those years.
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