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NFT: Pissed off about the Mets

CMicks3110 : 6/21/2015 11:24 am
this team should be better than they are. The talent is there. Harvey, deGrom have proven to be aces; Syndergaard I believe can be a good #2, #3 right now, with upside of a #1. d'Arnaud, when healthy, is an all-star catcher IMO; Duda, Cuddyer, and Granderson are killing us right now. Herrera I think will improve, getting Murphy back will be key. Would love to get a healthy Wright back, not sure if that is possible. Bullpen has pitched admirably considering the injuries. I really think losing Goeddel has hurt, he was turning into a good 7th inning man. Mejia and Blevins coming back helps. I would love to get Montero back for the bullpen and call up Matz. If you get Mejia, Blevins, Goeddel, Murphy, Montero, Matz, and Wright and add them to this team, I think we can be back to a playoff contender. We're only a 1/2 game out of first. But this team is just not clutch right now. Nothing is really falling right and we're not playing good fundamental baseball on defense. We really should be spanking the braves, especially in this series without having to face shelby miller and without freddie freeman. This series is making me sick.

Still, we shouldn't punt on this season though, which is what i think SA and company are prepared to do again. This team is not that far away, I see a ton of young talent, we just need to put it all together. We don't have any black holes in our lineup like the last few years, but yet we can't score runs. Bench has sucked, maybe that's why.

But god, this team is so f*cking frustrating to watch. Because it feels like the talent, on paper, should be there. I just can't put my finger on what's missing. 2nd half 2014 duda would make a huge difference. Cuddyer signing is blowing more and more. I would love to call up Nimmo and/or Conforto soon. I think Nimmo has a future as our leadoff hitter, and Conforto as our #3 hitter.
The mets lineup is a disaster  
djm : 6/21/2015 11:27 am : link
Mainly due to injuries. What else is new the mets have no luck.
At least you're not a DBacks fan...  
Dunedin81 : 6/21/2015 11:33 am : link
Handing off one of your best prospects to a team willing to eat Arroyo's bad but not unconscionable deal.
Well then trade some of your minor league talent  
superspynyg : 6/21/2015 11:38 am : link
Pitching for a hitter. Instead of hoarding your pitchers. That kid Matz(???) could land you a hitter like Gomez or Tulo (300 avg 320 obs, over 30 runs and rbis good hr hitter) otherwise stop complaining
It's a terrible team  
Giants2012 : 6/21/2015 11:44 am : link
Many said that in Spring Training

They have young pitchers, a terrible lineup, terrible defense, mediocre team speed and a comical bench. They've benefited from the 24th easiest schedule as of Friday.

As far as the injury card, go look at the Nationals before justifying the Mets incompetence. Werth has been out, Rendon just started his season, Span has been injured, Zimmerman has had a foot injury all season and Fister is out.

Will 2016 be better? Maverick has "options".

CMicks  
BobOnLI : 6/21/2015 11:47 am : link
Pretty much the entire team is defensively challenged. That is very dispiriting, both to watch as a fan and even more so as a player. That won't be easy to fix. All the pitching in the world can't overcome having to get 30 or more outs a game. Unfortunately, the Mets need to be almost totally revamped. Hoping the defensive liabilities would minimize as the season progressed hasn't worked of yet and it is looking less and less likely it will before the season goes down the drain.
Oh please  
djm : 6/21/2015 11:55 am : link
The nationals are an overrated joke. The mets have been rocked with injuries. I'm a Yankees fan so I'm not an apologist at all. The nats are an underachieving joke. That team has no fight in them.
And you really shouldn't trade young pitching if you can avoid it  
djm : 6/21/2015 11:55 am : link
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RE: Oh please  
Giants2012 : 6/21/2015 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12336651 djm said:
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The nationals are an overrated joke. The mets have been rocked with injuries. I'm a Yankees fan so I'm not an apologist at all. The nats are an underachieving joke. That team has no fight in them.


Agreed, yet if you think the Mets weren't overhyped you're lost.
The Mets are a pitching staff in search of a team.  
Phil in Joisey : 6/21/2015 12:33 pm : link
With Murphy and Wright on the shelf the offense is puny.
Try matching up against other teams when you have the likes of Campbell, Tejada and Herrera in your line-up to go along with permanent slumpers Cuddyer and Granderson. The Mets pitchers have to throw a shutout just to guarantee a tie!
Mets have lots of injuries  
dpinzow : 6/21/2015 12:53 pm : link
Wright, Murphy, now D'Arnaud, Wheeler, Blevins, Edgin, Wheeler. Almost everyone in the lineup is under 30 outside of Cuddyer and Granderson so they're still learning how to win
Sorry, mentioned Wheeler twice  
dpinzow : 6/21/2015 12:54 pm : link
should have mentioned Gee as a pitcher who got DFA'ed instead of injured
RE: CMicks  
dpinzow : 6/21/2015 1:04 pm : link
In comment 12336648 BobOnLI said:
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Pretty much the entire team is defensively challenged. That is very dispiriting, both to watch as a fan and even more so as a player. That won't be easy to fix. All the pitching in the world can't overcome having to get 30 or more outs a game. Unfortunately, the Mets need to be almost totally revamped. Hoping the defensive liabilities would minimize as the season progressed hasn't worked of yet and it is looking less and less likely it will before the season goes down the drain.


The Mets outfield is fine defensively...Lagares is one of if not the best defensive CF in the game and Granderson is a good corner outfielder. The infield needs a lot of work defensively. Duda is average but that's the best he'll be with the glove; Herrera will be a good defensive 2B but he's young so you have to deal with the growing pains; Flores is in Queens for his bat, not his SS glove, so they should consider a position change for him; and they're without Wright so they also suffer defensively at 3B as Wright was above average with the glove. D'Arnaud is getting better behind the plate...no passed balls this year after 12 last year and he's thrown out a third of base stealers
This team is so close, yet so far...and that's frustrating  
PhiPsi125 : 6/21/2015 1:06 pm : link
I hate using injuries as an excuse, but it's hard to deny the massive impact it's had on this team - offensively and defensively. Wright, TdA, Murphy, Herrera, even Lagares...then add in Wheeler AND our entire bullpen. That's hard to overcome.

Defensively - every single one of them is average to below average defensively. I happen to think that the impact of defense is a bit overrated but you can't be as bad as the Mets have been. They are in a malaise and I think a lot of that has to do with their coaching staff.

Offensively - There are way too many players underperforming. Yes, the injuries have affected this greatly. But they also banked on a lot of players either continuing their second half hot streak or improving. Neither has happened. They need to make a decision about DW/3B. Who knows if TdA can ever be relied on to be consistently healthy. Duda is an unknown at this point. Will Flores and Herrera flourish offensively as they showed to do in the minors?

A HUGE problem is the corner outfielders. Both Grandy and Cuddyer are a problem offensively and defensively. Both are old. Both are not likely to improve much at their age. You can live with one...not both. And even Lagares is an issue defensively now.

Coaching - not even touching this one. You know my stance.

Result? The FO has their work cut out for them...and that scares me too. Just my thoughts on the topic.
Banking on an aging Wright who has been in decline for year  
Giants2012 : 6/21/2015 1:07 pm : link
and Murphy's defense is NOT something the majority banked on.

They will still make the same mistakes around the diamond and hit like shit.

The middle field and corner outfielders would still have the same issues while the bench was comically weak to begin with.

Eveybody has injuries while this team had a ton of question even if they were healthy.
RE: And you really shouldn't trade young pitching if you can avoid it  
superspynyg : 6/21/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12336652 djm said:
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You do t acquire good hitters for peanuts
The jays  
Tanker20 : 6/21/2015 1:50 pm : link
Got Donaldson for peanuts

This is what'll happen. The Reds for Frazier will demand matz, Montero, and conforto. Mets won't give in and then Reds will give Frazier to the Yankees for a B level prospect and cash.
If your not willing to give up the prospects  
superspynyg : 6/21/2015 1:53 pm : link
Or over pay in the free agent market you get the bottom level guys.
Offense is at such a premium, and teams have so much money now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/21/2015 2:52 pm : link
that the only guys that get to free agency are the michael cuddyers and curtis grandersons.

Old guys on their last legs.

The only way you're gonna get a bat to build on is by dealing premium talent.

Or grow your own.
We can talk injuries all day  
Spree_8 : 6/21/2015 2:58 pm : link
but fact is they signed Granderson and Cudyer to be difference makers and they simply have not come close. Granderson was a bad signing from the beginning, Cudyer I was at least expecting a solid professional bat...but he hasn't even been that.

To top it off you know they will keep running them out there due to salary. I wouldn't hold my breathe hoping for a Conforto jump start callup for that reason.
Cuddyer and Granderson were awful signings  
Earl the goat : 6/21/2015 3:11 pm : link
Murphy Niese Gee all should've been traded at winter meetings. Now Sandy won't get shit for them
Another Sandy blunder was getting zilch for Reyes when everyone knew he was leaving
Giving up a first rounder for Cuddyer will hurt

Injuries are always an issue but can't use that as an excuse

But most important is that Collins just doesn't manage well
He doesn't hit and run. He doesn't steal and doesn't bunt. He doesn't know how to manufacture runs and definitely mismanages and micro manages the pitching staff

I'm ready for Wally and Frank
Collinsi  
spike : 6/21/2015 3:15 pm : link
is a subpar manager and the Coupons are too cheap to fire him.
the next off day  
spike : 6/21/2015 3:18 pm : link
the infield players should practice fielding drills. no excuses
RE: the next off day  
CGiants07 : 6/21/2015 3:25 pm : link
In comment 12336748 spike said:
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the infield players should practice fielding drills. no excuses


so tommorrow
Murph's return delayed  
spike : 6/21/2015 4:20 pm : link
Mets infielder Daniel Murphy may not return from the disabled list until next weekend. Murphy, who is on the DL with a quad strain, was originally expected to be activated for Tuesday's game in Milwaukee.

But now it appears the Mets are being cautious with Murphy, as they are now looking at the weekend home series against the Reds as the likely return.

Murphy, who has been out since June 5, needs to improve his running before being ready to return, and he could play in some minor league rehab games this week, according to ESPN.com.




likely out another week - ( New Window )
Gee outrighted to Vegas  
spike : 6/21/2015 4:24 pm : link
After designating Dillon Gee for assignment less than a week ago, the Mets have outrighted the right-handed pitcher and will send him down to Las Vegas if he clears waivers. There had been rumors throughout the season that the Mets were shopping their struggling hurler. Gee's designation looked to be the first step in that direction, but having failed to trade him, the team decided to proceed with simply outrighting him.


Because it is Gee's first time on outright waivers, the club does not require his consent. The other twenty-nine major organizations could claim him now if they'd like without having to give the Mets any assets in return.



hope no one claims him for free - ( New Window )
Hold onto the pitching and wait until next year  
ciggy : 6/21/2015 5:36 pm : link
This lineup is not capable of winning. TOO MANY HOLES OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY. The young pitching is fantastic. You are going to have to wait one more year.

Personally I would trade Colon and Murphy (once he gets healthy and re-establishes himself). Hopefully the two of them might get us a corner OF who can hit. I'd rotate the new guy with Granderson and Cuddyer.


I would give 2b to Herrera and move Flores to 3b and let tejada finish the year at SS.

Next offseason try to get a SS.
it's painful  
weeg in the bronx : 6/21/2015 6:48 pm : link
At what point does the coach get scrutinised.
ciigy,  
blue42 : 6/21/2015 9:51 pm : link
completely agree.....it's the only move.
F the Wilpons  
spike : 6/21/2015 10:02 pm : link
They are just holding onto this franchise like they do with their NYC real estate, watching its value grow over the years.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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GiantFilthy : 6/21/2015 10:37 pm : link
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