"Here are three trades that might make sense for both teams:
1. Sixers send three 2016 first-round picks (Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder) to Knicks for No. 4 overall.
For the Knicks, this deal knocks them out of the first-round this year, but it does set the up to be major players next year. The Knicks, like the Sixers do now, would own potentially as many as four first-round picks in the 2016 NBA Draft, and would also have a ton of cap space to spend on free agents. Not getting a player this year would sting, but in the long run, this deal would set the Knicks up to re-build quickly.
2. Knicks send Jose Calderon (3 years, $7 million per) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000), and two future-first round draft picks
If the Knicks want to spend big on free agents this year, getting bad money off the books is key. Signing Calderon has proven to be a mistake, and his contract is the worst on the Knicks payroll (unless you want to count Carmelo Anthony's deal). The Sixers would essentially be buying the pick, as well as giving up two future assets.
3. Knicks send Andre Bargnani (1 year, $11 million) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000) and two future first-round picks
This deal is similar to the previous one, only it opens up more cap space this year for the Knicks. There are a number of marque free agents expected to be available, including Cleveland Cavalier forward Kevin Love. The Knicks would free up $11 million in cap space and collect two future first-round picks. The Sixers would get to pick at No. 3 and No. 4, and would likely buyout Bargnani."
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That's one of the better ones I've heard. I think Russell has better PG skills and is a bit more shifter and creative whereas Johnson bullies smaller guys on the block. But I like that one more than Harden.
It's puzzling that Russell and Winslow have been both been drawing James Harden comparisons and neither are similar to each other in any way.
Im still not very comfortable with him because of defensive concerns. I think I still prefer Mudiay.
Also really Berman? so the Knicks could trade out but you dont think they will, so they may draft winslow Mudiay or stein...umm really how is that news?
ESPN sources say Nets continue to explore trade possibilities with their Team USA center Mason Plumlee in advance of Thursday's NBA Draft
ESPN sources say Nets continue to explore trade possibilities with their Team USA center Mason Plumlee in advance of Thursday's NBA Draft
pls do he stinks
Easy to make the team when you played in college for the coach of the team and he wants to help his recruiting.
This week everything is smoke...you think teams are really leaking who they really want? the only team that can do that is Minnesota...
You notice which player is surprisingly quiet and very little hype?
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But i am now seeing porzingis linked to them any truth to that or is it just smoke
This week everything is smoke...you think teams are really leaking who they really want? the only team that can do that is Minnesota...
You notice which player is surprisingly quiet and very little hype?
I figure everything is smoke this week but it makes me wonder where mudiay falls
I hope he doesn't get past the Knicks but I'm really wondering is Russell the top choice for the Knicks
Is the 76ers top choice actually mudiay and they are just not letting leak
I've seen a couple of posts about it but I never really saw what your info was, can you post your knowledge of the situation
basicaly if the top 3 goes as planned Knicks take Mudiay...
I am not sure if someone falls how the Knicks would proceed...
They have been in contact with Mudiay since his workout and it is the reason he has not worked out for teams outside the top 4...that part makes me think he has a promise from the Knicks BUT my source would not go into detail...
My fears about Porzi are probably unwarranted but whatever. And I just don't feel like WCS is worth the 4th pick. If we're taking him it would have to be in a situation where we move down a few spots somehow.
I don't think he's done anything to warrant being considered a "dick". He was known for his swagger but that doesn't make him a "dick". He's pretty down to earth. On an interview on the Ryen Russilo show someone brought up a scouts comment about being obliterated on times on defense and being apathetic on that end and Russell responded by saying that he's probably right. He said that he didn't care about playing defense until the end of the season where he finally understood that defense is heavy effort based. He understands where he is and is honest about it. Whether he makes strides is another story but he's not an asshole or anything.
And Joe Johnson was a pretty damn good shooter. For the amount of terrible shots he attempted he averaged about 38% 3 point shooting while attempting more than 5 a game.
If the first three picks go Towns, Okafor and Russell, the feeling is that the Knicks will trade down. Trey Lyles? Frank Kaminsky?
Sources: Knicks are doubtful to trade the 4th pick outside the top 10 unless a good young player & an additional pick is offered. #NBADraft
Sources: Knicks are doubtful to trade the 4th pick outside the top 10 unless a good young player & an additional pick is offered. #NBADraft
Bledsoe...
I'd also take Lawson and WCS for no. 4.
NBA: Demarcus Cousins Is Looking To Get Traded To The Knicks
Russell projects poorly at the defensive end of the floor. There are also concerns he'll have trouble penetrating off the dribble to break down defenses. Is he better suited to play SG? Would that downgrade his value?
Mudiay? Guards need to be able to shoot the basketball. If opponents don't respect his perimeter game he'll have trouble capitalizing on his strengths.
Porzingis is going to take time and organizational patience to develop. Since when has that been the Knicks modus operandi? His body has a ways to go and no guarantees he's going to get there.
Winslow isn't nearly the positional fit that a big man or point guard would be for the roster. That's the big knock on him for me as a Knicks fan. He's the second safest prospect after Towns imo. There are few holes in his game. I like his athletic ability, transition game, makeup, basketball IQ and physique. He can score in a variety of ways as well as rebound and defend his position.
WCS hasn't proven he has a perimeter game in a competitive setting. Likewise for a big man he doesn't project as an elite defensive rebounder to date. Finally only the doctors know the risk attached to his surgically repaired foot.
The Knicks must pick their poison and hope they hit the lottery in real since the ping pong balls didn't exactly come up smelling of roses did they?
If the Knicks are willing to bide their time drafting Porzingis could have huge returns. I don't think they will. Barring that I'd target Winslow...maybe not at four but I'd find a way to get him.
And you know this how?
There is no need for Phil to prove he is the smartest guy in the room. He's got the rings.
Just get the best talent.
A highly competitive and co-ordinated, non ball-dependent 7'1" gym rat with a natural stroke, experience at the highest non NBA level, and a 7'6" wingspan is both tough to trump and seems a pretty good complement to Melo.
In fact, with a little familiarity, I think he's a fairly perfect complement, with his ability to hit the three or cut to the hole without clogging the lane.
I agree with you to an extent, but what are the teams that have been legitimatey linked to him? The Magic? They are set at the 1-3 and the 5. Porz skill set is the perfect fit there because they need a guy that can potentially stretch the floor and maybe one day provide some rim protection. He slots in fine at the 4 between Vucevic and Harris/Gordon.
And I think we are at a point where PGs are becoming the QBs of the NBA. It's a requirement not a necessity. Mudiay has a legitimate chance to be the best PG in the East not named Irving or Wall given his skills and athleticism. His size is tremendous and is much much more fluid athlete than MCW, which provides a lot of versatility in the front court.
KP is my favorite player in the draft and I think he's going to do some nice things, but there's a huge risk with him. He certainly has an extremely high ceiling, but there's a chance that some of the things expected of him never fully come around. He's projected so high because of his potential on defense, but that's all it is right now: potential. He's had some major miscues on defense, including getting pushed around by guards in the post.
I ultimately think KP will be the ideal complimentary player in a situation with other great talents, like Oladipo, Harris and Vucevic. However, I think it's a stretch to believe he is going to be a superstar, ball dominant player that create offense for himself on a consistent basis. On the contrary, I think Mudiay can become a staple franchise PG for over a decade that you can build a franchise around and can rely on him to set the tone on both ends of the court.
Based off what? Form is the key when judging shooting more than anything else. He had good form, but he was inconsistent in terms of showing it on catch and shoot situation and with timing the release of the shot. Those things can be fixed, especially with NBA shooting coaches. He's not fucking Michael carter Williams or Rajon Rondo. He has touch, it's not like he was air balling shots left and right.
Yeah, some downside, but also the kind of upside you look for in a big athletic pg. I would probably prefer Russell because he can already shoot, but Mudiay appears to be on par or better in every other department.
A little risk of a bust, perhaps, but with the kind of upside Jackson probably needs to gamble on in the fourth slot, unless he can get a deal with someone who really wants Porzingas, or unless Russell or Okafor fall to 4.
Ok now I realize you are spewing arbitrary conjecture more than anything else. I'm assuming you haven't watched anything on his form being broken down. You say Winslow is the safest pick and probably think he's a lights out shooter because he shot 40% from 3 on 1 attempt per game. Winslow has much higher chance of turning into tony Allen than Mudiay has of turning into whatever "bust" you have in mind. Mudiay has a much more established offensive game than winslow.
And John Wall isn't a "bust" is he? It's been 4-5 years and he still hasn't become a league average shooter. So if that never comes around for Mudiay, there are plenty of things to look forward too still. Now I'm not saying he's got John Walls athleticism, but mudiay's athleticism, strength and finishing ability is closer to Wall's than it is to Rondo's, MCWs and Rubio's. And not to mention his jump shot is WAY better than any of theirs at this point in his career.
Extremely high-athleticism, superior jumping young players (e.g., 19) very often can't shoot, for the simple reason that when they played high school, AAU and street ball, they hardly ever played against anyone they couldn't beat to the basket. The very last thing they wanted to do, or were encouraged to do by their coaches, was take a high volume of outside shots, so that was also one of the last and least things they practiced. And, in Mudiay's case, from a young age he was being encouraged to learn outside-in pg skills, another reason not to take many jumpers. Finally, of course, when you play a lot of street ball on rims with no net, every jump shot is a low-percentage shot, so it makes more sense to take the ball to the hole--which you are better at, anyway.
Unless you have a godawful stroke, which no scout says that Mudiay has, shooting skills come, but they come later.
I really expect that if the first three picks go according to form, the Knicks are either trading down a fair amount for added value and a pick they believe is undervalued (unlikely) or taking Mudiay when their turn comes.
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the phone with Philly and see what it would take to move up to 3. I have a feeling that a lot of the talks linking Russell and Philly over the past few days have been meant to entice that exact move. It sucks to have to give up a guy or a pick to do it, but if Jackson feels that strongly about Russell compared to the other options that would be available then you just have to pull the trigger on a move up.
Agreed. If you feel like it's a special player to turn the team around then you have to do it. I'm sure they are still kicking themselves about Curry. I did have a dream 3 mos ago that we fell to 4 or 5 in the draft before we had the balls drop and both Oak and Towns both fell but that's not happening. Zenmaster needs to work the phone NOT mills. Go up and get the player you need and fanagle like a Gypsy!
I'm not worried about his strength assuming he has a work ethic (which he reportedly does), there aren't many (any?) jacked 19 year olds with 7'6" wingspans. He can only fill out going forward. I'm not worried about any of the stupid European stereotypes that everyone should be well past in the year 2015, they are as diverse as any other set of players. The only thing that gives me pause is just the shear unknown of having never seen him play beyond highlights. But it just seems to me that if we are to project both Porzingis and Mudiay to their ultimate ceiling, The payoff just seems way bigger with Porzingis on both ends of the floor
To be honest, I definitely have Euro-phobia when it comes to these lottery projects especially "stretch 4s" since there have been so many "Fake Dirks" over the years.
But Porzingis definitely has a unique feel to him because of how agile and athletic he is. His combination of length and agility and shooting really is something crazy.
I think he has the highest ceiling in this draft but I also think he has one of the higher bust-rates in the top 10. He's actually really impressed me from a mental point of view. I really want KP to become a star because this league really needs someone to replace Dirk.
Cousins is a beast, and on both ends of the floor. He's a way better pro than I expected him to be coming out, and he's probably the most underrated defensive player in the entire league. He is a legitimate anchor, but due to Sacramento being so far off the radar he is sadly defined on that end by a few vines that went viral showing effort lapses. He can be a hot head but he's the best Center in the league right now and there isn't a close 2nd.
I don't mean this in an insulting way, but it's a bit lazy to just look at Cousins and the Kings W/L record and write him off as an empty numbers guy. There are several useful and telling ways at our disposal today to accurately assess individual impact independent of team circumstances, and everything we have SCREAMS Cousins is a monster impact guy who performed a minor miracle in leading a dogshit Sacramento team to a positive point differential with him on the floor in a loaded West. With all the time he missed this season, we got a very healthy 2,000 minute sample of the Kings without him on the floor, and what we saw in his absence was the worst team in the NBA by leaps and bounds. Worse than Minnesota, worse than Philly, worse than the shell of a squad the Knicks were putting out there post Melo issue. Defensively they were one of the worst teams in history when Cousins wasn't on the floor. The whole situation is toxic there from the owner on down, and in the West that's a huge hill to overcome
The knock on his fg% is a bit misguided. First off fg% is a pretty crappy way to judge scoring efficiency in the first place, but even so 47% is fine for a volume scorer. Of course fg% doesn't account for how often he gets to the line, and the fact that he is an above average ft shooter when he gets there (elite for a big). His true shooting % (which accounts for his ft shooting) is a tick above league average, which is very respectable for a volume scorer, not sparkling but highly respectable, and can certainly be improved with superior shot selection that would likely come if he was immersed in a structure that wasn't a complete mess like Sacramento
He's a beast. If he is available you do everything in your power to get him. He would definitely be in my top 5 of players of build around for the next 8 years