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NFT: Knicks Chat: 3 trades the Knicks should consider?

DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 8:13 am
"Here are three trades that might make sense for both teams:

1. Sixers send three 2016 first-round picks (Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder) to Knicks for No. 4 overall.

For the Knicks, this deal knocks them out of the first-round this year, but it does set the up to be major players next year. The Knicks, like the Sixers do now, would own potentially as many as four first-round picks in the 2016 NBA Draft, and would also have a ton of cap space to spend on free agents. Not getting a player this year would sting, but in the long run, this deal would set the Knicks up to re-build quickly.

2. Knicks send Jose Calderon (3 years, $7 million per) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000), and two future-first round draft picks

If the Knicks want to spend big on free agents this year, getting bad money off the books is key. Signing Calderon has proven to be a mistake, and his contract is the worst on the Knicks payroll (unless you want to count Carmelo Anthony's deal). The Sixers would essentially be buying the pick, as well as giving up two future assets.

3. Knicks send Andre Bargnani (1 year, $11 million) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000) and two future first-round picks

This deal is similar to the previous one, only it opens up more cap space this year for the Knicks. There are a number of marque free agents expected to be available, including Cleveland Cavalier forward Kevin Love. The Knicks would free up $11 million in cap space and collect two future first-round picks. The Sixers would get to pick at No. 3 and No. 4, and would likely buyout Bargnani."
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 8:14 am : link
Amid reports that the Knicks are open to moving down from No. 4 to pick up a first-rounder in 2016 (when their pick goes to Denver or Toronto), there are rival executives who view that as a dangerous game for Jackson to play. One such executive, who has been in contact with the Knicks, told CBSSports.com Monday there is "internal debate" within the Knicks' front office about whether to use the fourth pick or trade it.

"The one way to not screw it up is just to take the next best player," the executive said. "But you start moving back, trying to gain a pick, you don't have control. … Don't get cute. At end of the day, eventually there'll be a gap between certain players. Wouldn't you rather control that rather than letting who everybody else takes dictate it for you?"
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can we please just try to start getting better now.  
RicFlair : 6/23/2015 8:15 am : link
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 8:16 am : link
Chad Ford of ESPN has Porzingis going No. 3 to the Sixers, and Russell No. 4 to the Knicks.

Knicks President Phil Jackson recently scouted Porzingis in Las Vegas, and has said all along his priority is a defensive-oriented big man. Short of landing Towns or Okafor, Porzingis might best fit that bill, although Jackson and the Knicks risk being ripped by fans for another potential Frederic Weis disaster.

“I don’t like being labeled soft,” Porzingis told Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports. “I’m very hungry. I love the game. I’ve got to prove to coaches and GMs that I’m not soft just because I’m from Europe. They need to see that I’m not just some skinny white guy, that I’m going to be there fighting. They’ll need to see that I’m a worker who’s going to play hard, and play tough.”
Since Patrick  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 8:18 am : link
Ewing the Knicks have had 6 lotto picks... 0 all-star appearances
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 8:19 am : link
If Russell is available at No. 4 the Knicks, according to a source, would likely select Russell. If Russell goes to the Sixers, the Knicks may consider trading the pick for a team interested in Porzingis, who will go no later than five to the Orlando

Magic. Knicks president Phil Jackson could trade down to select one of two Kentucky big men, Trey Lyles or Willie Cauley-Stein.

Of course, the Knicks’ interest in Porzingis could be sincere. They were impressed by his workout in Las Vegas two weeks ago and wanted another look at him on Monday.

Jackson has said in recent days that the Knicks need a big man. The 19-year-old Porzingis has played professionally in Spain. On ESPN’s Mike&Mike radio show, Jackson said the Knicks were “covered” at lead guard and small forward. That would suggest that Jackson may be less inclined to select Duke’s Justise Winslow, who will be available at No. 4.
Frédéric Weis? Cmon  
Greg from LI : 6/23/2015 8:28 am : link
This kid is not Frédéric Weis.
Their  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2015 8:29 am : link
interest in a "defensive oriented big man" made their interest in Okafor always puzzling. He's just about the exact opposite of that. Same with Greg Monroe.
#3 Isn't Bargnani a FA?  
TheMick7 : 6/23/2015 8:30 am : link
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I know Bargs in a FA  
Carl in CT : 6/23/2015 8:38 am : link
Maybe a sign and trade?
Vomit  
Deej : 6/23/2015 8:39 am : link
I'll vomit if the Knicks are dumb enough to trade the #4 pick to get out of expiring contracts. Total fucking cap mismanagement. You give an asset (future #1) to trade an expiring when you have a commitment from a UFA, not before. Knicks over-confidence in clearly cap room for UFAs who arent coming will just set us back further.

On the 3 #1s trade, that isnt remotely enough value. Heat and OKC should be playoff teams, and the Lakers will be much improved -- they're either adding Randle and Russell/Okafor or Boogie. I'd think about it if they added Saric.
RE: Since Patrick  
Deej : 6/23/2015 8:41 am : link
In comment 12338384 DanMetroMan said:
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Ewing the Knicks have had 6 lotto picks... 0 all-star appearances


Because there is a big difference between top 3-4 picks and the 8-10 range where we got guys like Frye and Sweets.
We tanked for two years to clean up the CAP mess  
Carl in CT : 6/23/2015 8:42 am : link
It might be smart to move to next year (not sure if there will be great talent or not) but you can't expect Knick fans to keep suffering. It can be a 2 or 3 year process but we really need (and deserve) some progress this year. If we are going to do a complete rebuild like above then Melo needs to also go for picks as he will be past our prime before we are any good.
those trades are awful  
giants#1 : 6/23/2015 8:44 am : link
Were they created by a Philly fan? The Bargnani one is pointless since he expires after one more season anyway and the 1st one is trading a top 4 pick where you have a decent chance of getting a "star" for what's likely to be 3 mid-teens picks (at best). The Lakers would be the best chance for a top 2016 pick, but they are adding the #2 pick and Randle to Kobe + others so I wouldn't be shocked if they were at least battling for the playoffs. Heat should be a lock for the playoffs in the East and OKC is a top 4 team with Durant healthy.
that article and those trades suck...  
Italianju : 6/23/2015 8:46 am : link
and its impossible to take it seriously after it says how much we would save by trading Bargs.....which is nothing since he is a FA.
Also the trades are impossible  
Deej : 6/23/2015 8:51 am : link
Knicks need to have a #1 this year since we didnt have one last year, no?

In any event, we're somewhat in the mess we're in because of all the unprotected #1s we've traded. When we finally get a pick where we could take someone with a little star power, we're going to trade it for a dime and a couple of nickles? Take Mudiay or Zinga and call it a day. Someone who could make a fucking allstar game one day.
Bad post  
Earl the goat : 6/23/2015 8:52 am : link
Really bad
RE: Frédéric Weis? Cmon  
Audible : 6/23/2015 8:52 am : link
In comment 12338389 Greg from LI said:
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This kid is not Frédéric Weis.


The Weis comparisons are just lazy. NBA teams' scouting efforts overseas are way, way better than they were 15 years ago, and the level of play overseas is also drastically higher. Most of the teams that are considering Porzingis have seen plenty of him.

And as players, they're not even close to the same. If we're going to pick Euro comparisons, Porzingis profiles as much closer to, say, a really tall Kirilenko, and even that is not an ideal comparison. He's a unique player.
The only trade scenario that would be beneficial  
Earl the goat : 6/23/2015 8:56 am : link
If the Knicks got Willue Cauley Stein by swapping picks and either getting a Vet who can help or an extra draft pick
Jerian Grant. PG out of Notre Dane is a real sleeper and could be best PG in draft
Knicks can trade the pick during the draft....  
Italianju : 6/23/2015 8:57 am : link
they just cant officially trade it before. That rule was put in so that a team couldnt make a trade that included there next 4 first round picks, but if on draft night a team wants to trade their pick there is nothing stopping them.
As I posted yesterday,  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2015 8:57 am : link
I'm really warming to WCS. He will be an elite defensive player from day 1, and I think has more offensive potential than what he was able to show in college.
RE: As I posted yesterday,  
Earl the goat : 6/23/2015 8:59 am : link
In comment 12338433 Jon in NYC said:
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I'm really warming to WCS. He will be an elite defensive player from day 1, and I think has more offensive potential than what he was able to show in college.


Couldn't agree more Jon
Any time you mention a european draftee, someone has to bring up  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2015 9:00 am : link
Frederic Weis.

Gallinari was gonna be Frederic Weis.
RE: The only trade scenario that would be beneficial  
Audible : 6/23/2015 9:03 am : link
In comment 12338429 Earl the goat said:
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If the Knicks got Willue Cauley Stein by swapping picks and either getting a Vet who can help or an extra draft pick
Jerian Grant. PG out of Notre Dane is a real sleeper and could be best PG in draft


Please God no. The Knicks need a core piece to build around. Their top priority should be to ensure that the piece they get in this draft is the best player they can possibly get.

The only way I'm OK with the Knicks trading down is if they're on the clock and they know for a fact (or as close to a fact as they can get) that the best available player on their draft board will still be there a few picks later. If the Knicks know they can trade down, get an asset, and pick the same player they would pick at #4, then that's a no-brainer - they're essentially getting an extra asset for free. Otherwise? Nail this pick and go from there.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12338440 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Frederic Weis.

Gallinari was gonna be Frederic Weis.


And Sam Dekker has to be Kyle Singler, Gordon Hayward, or Mike Dunleavy. Can't forget the white American player to white American player comparisons
If the Knicks added WCS  
blueblood : 6/23/2015 9:09 am : link
and were able to nab Monroe.. IMO that makes a pretty good frontcourt with some size..

No one the Knicks draft is going to be someone to build the franchise around. But they should be a core component for years going forward..

I have no issue with anyone they pick within the consensus top six in all honesty..
RE: As I posted yesterday,  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:09 am : link
In comment 12338433 Jon in NYC said:
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I'm really warming to WCS. He will be an elite defensive player from day 1, and I think has more offensive potential than what he was able to show in college.


Count me in on WCS too if we want to trade down a few.
RE: #3 Isn't Bargnani a FA?  
Enzo : 6/23/2015 9:14 am : link
In comment 12338391 TheMick7 said:
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he is. Most of the people on this thread know more than this lousy writer, whoever he is. That's just embarrassing.
RE: RE: Frédéric Weis? Cmon  
giants#1 : 6/23/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12338426 Audible said:
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In comment 12338389 Greg from LI said:


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This kid is not Frédéric Weis.



The Weis comparisons are just lazy. NBA teams' scouting efforts overseas are way, way better than they were 15 years ago, and the level of play overseas is also drastically higher. Most of the teams that are considering Porzingis have seen plenty of him.

And as players, they're not even close to the same. If we're going to pick Euro comparisons, Porzingis profiles as much closer to, say, a really tall Kirilenko, and even that is not an ideal comparison. He's a unique player.


Their NCAA scouting should be better too, but Anthony Bennett was still drafted #1 overall...
RE: The only trade scenario that would be beneficial  
#10* : 6/23/2015 9:17 am : link
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Audible : 9:03 am : link : reply
In comment 12338429 Earl the goat said:
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If the Knicks got Willue Cauley Stein by swapping picks and either getting a Vet who can help or an extra draft pick
Jerian Grant. PG out of Notre Dane is a real sleeper and could be best PG in draft


Please God no. The Knicks need a core piece to build around. Their top priority should be to ensure that the piece they get in this draft is the best player they can possibly get.

The only way I'm OK with the Knicks trading down is if they're on the clock and they know for a fact (or as close to a fact as they can get) that the best available player on their draft board will still be there a few picks later. If the Knicks know they can trade down, get an asset, and pick the same player they would pick at #4, then that's a no-brainer - they're essentially getting an extra asset for free. Otherwise? Nail this pick and go from there.


+1
To be fair  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:19 am : link
only the Cavs wanted to take Bennett at 1. They only drafted Irving because he was outright better than anyone in the draft, and even then they were on the verge of taking Derrick Williams. They've missed on every other pick since Lebron left.
RE: To be fair  
giants#1 : 6/23/2015 9:21 am : link
In comment 12338482 giantsfan44ab said:
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only the Cavs wanted to take Bennett at 1. They only drafted Irving because he was outright better than anyone in the draft, and even then they were on the verge of taking Derrick Williams. They've missed on every other pick since Lebron left.


They nailed the Wiggins pick!
Did they nail  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:22 am : link
what they did what the Wiggins pick?
Grantland's Kristaps video  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:23 am : link
Second video in the series
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I like WCS...  
Italianju : 6/23/2015 9:25 am : link
i just dont like him at 4. If he is who you really want you drop back a few picks. He just doesnt seem like a #4 pick.
RE: Did they nail  
giants#1 : 6/23/2015 9:27 am : link
In comment 12338484 giantsfan44ab said:
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what they did what the Wiggins pick?


They got the pick right, what GM Lebron did with Wiggins afterwards is another story.
"vet who can help"  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 9:37 am : link
and a pick high enough to still land WCS likely means that vet is a role player. Who is giving up a good NBA starter AND a top 8-10 pick for #4 pick? and the future #1 pick stuff can really come back to haunt you. Even if you deal with a "bad" team suddenly that bad team has a solid year and you are taking a #17 overall pick in 2016 as your consolation for passing on a potential stud this year.
someone devise a 3 team trade  
giants#1 : 6/23/2015 9:39 am : link
that nets the Knicks Bledsoe and WCS, while dumping #4, THJR, and Calderon.
what I would like them to  
TommyWiseau : 6/23/2015 9:45 am : link
Do is take Porzingis at 4 unless Russell falls to 4. Backup plan is Mudiay or WCS in a little trade down situation where we can gain a future first or another starter. I like everything Porzingis is saying, he wants to shed that "soft" label that every euro has. One thing you are gonna get with this kid is an hard worker. If he puts as much time in the weight room as he does on his game, watch out. In 3-4 years he can add 25+ pounds of muscle and be a force. I am 100% in on this pick
Stop proposing trades  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 9:51 am : link
to get rid of Calderon using the 4th pick please stop...no more using picks to get rid of bad contracts...

Secondly the person who said Jackson's comments about have a lead guard and sf means their drafting Winslow is really not paying attention...

Mudiay or Russell would not play the "lead guard" position in this offense, they would play the 2 guard, the penetrator and creator...

Calderon and Gallo would play the other guard which is the shooter, like Kerr or Paxson was next to Jordan...

RE: someone devise a 3 team trade  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12338502 giants#1 said:
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that nets the Knicks Bledsoe and WCS, while dumping #4, THJR, and Calderon.


No chance WCS is there at #13.
WCS  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 9:54 am : link
would only be there at 13 if the foot stuff is a major concern at which point we wouldn't even want him at 13. He's an absolute lock in the top 10 and most likely top 8.
If we can't get rid of Calderon  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:54 am : link
I dont want to see him play. Give me fucking Shved over Calderon. He's at least long enough to not look like an absolute joke on defense.
RE: If we can't get rid of Calderon  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12338532 giantsfan44ab said:
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I dont want to see him play. Give me fucking Shved over Calderon. He's at least long enough to not look like an absolute joke on defense.


Calderon next to an athletic 2 that can create and get into the lane is a lot better than a calderon that has to run the offense and create for others...

He played well when he played next to Ellis because Ellis had the ball in his hands and Calderon became a spot up shooter, which he is good at..
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giants#1 : 6/23/2015 9:57 am : link
In comment 12338520 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 12338502 giants#1 said:


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that nets the Knicks Bledsoe and WCS, while dumping #4, THJR, and Calderon.



No chance WCS is there at #13.


Hence the "3 team trade". Knicks get #8-10 pick and Bledsoe. Suns get #4. 3rd team gets #13 + THJR
wouldnt we save like half of Calderon's contract..  
Italianju : 6/23/2015 9:58 am : link
if we used the stretch provision. It would nock it down from like 7.5 to like 4 right? id rather do that then give up anymore assets just to save a few mill. Only way im giving up assets to dump calderon's contract is if we have a deal with like Gasol and Monroe already done and we need to save the money. Im not saying i think there is any chance that happens, im just saying thats the only time id be willing to give up any asset to dump calderon.
Why  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 9:58 am : link
does everyone talk about Calderon without taking into account the guy is a below average run jump athlete that is soon to be 34? Players decline with age. Most are NOT Jason Kidd. He's been in decline mode for 2 seasons now, not just one. Could he be better this year? It would be hard not to be. But move on if we can. He's 34!
That athletic 2 being...?  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 9:59 am : link
I don't mind if he gets 10-15 minutes a game, but theres no winning combination with him as a starter. Not at 34.
RE: That athletic 2 being...?  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12338542 giantsfan44ab said:
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I don't mind if he gets 10-15 minutes a game, but theres no winning combination with him as a starter. Not at 34.


Mudiay
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giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 10:02 am : link
In comment 12338536 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12338520 giantsfan44ab said:


Hence the "3 team trade". Knicks get #8-10 pick and Bledsoe. Suns get #4. 3rd team gets #13 + THJR


At that point it would be too complicated to occur. Theres no scenario anything like that happens.
I'd rather  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 10:04 am : link
sign Mo Williams or Aaron Brooks with whatever leftover money we have after we nab Monroe and a center than trot out Calderon as a starter.
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