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NFT: Knicks Chat: 3 trades the Knicks should consider?

DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 8:13 am
"Here are three trades that might make sense for both teams:

1. Sixers send three 2016 first-round picks (Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder) to Knicks for No. 4 overall.

For the Knicks, this deal knocks them out of the first-round this year, but it does set the up to be major players next year. The Knicks, like the Sixers do now, would own potentially as many as four first-round picks in the 2016 NBA Draft, and would also have a ton of cap space to spend on free agents. Not getting a player this year would sting, but in the long run, this deal would set the Knicks up to re-build quickly.

2. Knicks send Jose Calderon (3 years, $7 million per) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000), and two future-first round draft picks

If the Knicks want to spend big on free agents this year, getting bad money off the books is key. Signing Calderon has proven to be a mistake, and his contract is the worst on the Knicks payroll (unless you want to count Carmelo Anthony's deal). The Sixers would essentially be buying the pick, as well as giving up two future assets.

3. Knicks send Andre Bargnani (1 year, $11 million) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000) and two future first-round picks

This deal is similar to the previous one, only it opens up more cap space this year for the Knicks. There are a number of marque free agents expected to be available, including Cleveland Cavalier forward Kevin Love. The Knicks would free up $11 million in cap space and collect two future first-round picks. The Sixers would get to pick at No. 3 and No. 4, and would likely buyout Bargnani."
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RE: It isn't clear, Mook...  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 11:12 am : link
In comment 12338700 manh george said:
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what you consider a swing for the fences plan.

Could you clarify?


Keep the pick and go BPA, no trading for overpriced vets and moving back and getting another role player...Knicks need a superstar at this pick...

Swing for the fences and take a chance dont take the easy way out and move down...

RE: RE: It isn't clear, Mook...  
MookGiants : 6/23/2015 11:14 am : link
In comment 12338705 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 12338700 manh george said:


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what you consider a swing for the fences plan.

Could you clarify?



Keep the pick and go BPA, no trading for overpriced vets and moving back and getting another role player...Knicks need a superstar at this pick...

Swing for the fences and take a chance dont take the easy way out and move down...


16 took the words right out of my mouth.
At first i was ok with trading down  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 11:16 am : link
and picking up a vet player but the more i think about it...why would you do that?

great you can get Bledsoe at 15 million a year and a devon Booker or sam dekker...yeah that doesnt excite me...
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 11:18 am : link
Justise Winslow isnt sure where hes going to be drafted on Thursday night. But if he ends up in New York, which has the fourth overall pick, Winslow believes hell be a great fit with the Knicks.

The team is built around Carmelo (Anthony), obviously, so I feel like Im somebody that can complement his skills and play with him in that offense, Winslow said in an interview with ESPN on Monday. I feel like on the offensive end, it would be a great fit next to him and the pieces that they already have -- and Im sure that theyre going to bring in someone else in free agency. This is an exciting time to be a part of the Knicks. If thats where I land, thats somewhere where I think I can excel.

Winslow worked out for the Knicks two weeks ago and had a subsequent dinner meeting with members of the club last week. During his workout, Winslow watched film of the triangle with team president Phil Jackson, coach Derek Fisher and other members of the organization and then implemented some of the triangle actions on the court.

I think the workout went very well," said Winslow. "They got to know me as a player and got to know me as a person and what I can bring to the organization. I think I put my best foot forward and showed them who Justise Winslow is.
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I agree  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2015 11:19 am : link
They need to use this pick to find an all star. You might fail, but you still need to take a chance.

You will get your role players along the way as you improve the team, because even if you strike gold and get the next Stephen Curry, there are going to be years of development before you can start dreaming of championships.

Jumping up to "first-round exit" level by overspending on free agents means years of 14-19 draft picks, and then you'll never even have a chance to find a star.
The only trade down  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 11:19 am : link
that I would consider is that wild Denver scenario where they'd get picks #6 and #7 (through a Lawson deal) and trade them both to the Knicks to move up to #4. Can't fathom that being even remotely accurate, but it'd be tough to turn down. Otherwise I agree, stay put. We suffered for that top four pick.
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giants#1 : 6/23/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12338687 DanMetroMan said:
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Defensively, Monroe is big enough to get in the way of opposing scorers but blocks shots at the same rate as Mike Dunleavy. A rim protector he is not; Monroe has neither the feel for coverage nor the vertical lift to really challenge opponents at the basket, making it all the more important that he be flanked by a player who can. At the same time, Monroe's minutes at power forward have illustrated his troubles in recovering out to perimeter threats. The further an opponent strays from the paint the more pressure it puts on Monroe's lumbering recovery. He does his part to chase out to the three-point line when necessary, though rarely does so quickly enough or with enough balance to help steady his team's defense. Monroe is stuck between, in a sense: Not quick enough to hang with most opponents stationed outside and not imposing enough to help anchor a top defense inside.

Given those limitations, how would one go about building a roster to best take advantage of what Monroe's talents? His post work would go most smoothly alongside a stretchy big capable of spreading the floor. His defensive issues, though, need be addressed by a more conventional rim-protecting counterpart. In the frontcourt alone that means Monroe's team would be aiming for a defensive pillar with shooting range -- an intersection of remarkable rarity. Barring an unexpected union with Anthony Davis, Monroe might be faced with a career of somewhat clumsy fits. He's already seen the lot of them in Detroit, where in four seasons the Pistons only managed three positive lineups with Monroe among the 17 that played 100 minutes or more, per NBA.com. Some of that is the mark of a consistently bad, mismanaged team. Another part, though, speaks to the difficulty of finding and acquiring the right kinds of pieces needed to build around a sub-superstar so particular.







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I read that as he's not a defensive anchor, not that he's a poor defender. The 2nd part also sounds like WCS would be a perfect fit (if reports of his jumper being better than expected are true).
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12338716 DanMetroMan said:
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Justise Winslow isnt sure where hes going to be drafted on Thursday night. But if he ends up in New York, which has the fourth overall pick, Winslow believes hell be a great fit with the Knicks.

The team is built around Carmelo (Anthony), obviously, so I feel like Im somebody that can complement his skills and play with him in that offense, Winslow said in an interview with ESPN on Monday. I feel like on the offensive end, it would be a great fit next to him and the pieces that they already have -- and Im sure that theyre going to bring in someone else in free agency. This is an exciting time to be a part of the Knicks. If thats where I land, thats somewhere where I think I can excel.

Winslow worked out for the Knicks two weeks ago and had a subsequent dinner meeting with members of the club last week. During his workout, Winslow watched film of the triangle with team president Phil Jackson, coach Derek Fisher and other members of the organization and then implemented some of the triangle actions on the court.

I think the workout went very well," said Winslow. "They got to know me as a player and got to know me as a person and what I can bring to the organization. I think I put my best foot forward and showed them who Justise Winslow is. Link - ( New Window )


This tells me winslow is not the pick...He is talking to much about the Knicks and their workout..
Randle and #2 might be...  
Italianju : 6/23/2015 11:23 am : link
the best SAC can do. Still not a great trade for them, but if you believe in Randle (im not sure i do) then its a descent trade if you are determined to move cousins.
I was entertaining the WCS scenarios as he intrigues me  
Torrag : 6/23/2015 11:25 am : link
The concerns over his foot which has a surgically inserted pin ended that for me. Draft healthy players with premium picks. The same philosophy applies for the Giants in football.
RE: Randle and #2 might be...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2015 11:26 am : link
In comment 12338734 Italianju said:
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the best SAC can do. Still not a great trade for them, but if you believe in Randle (im not sure i do) then its a descent trade if you are determined to move cousins.


Would you? I wouldn't. Cousins might be something of a risk for behavior, but I thought he was without incident this year and maybe even improving that about himself.
Who would the Kings take at #2?  
Carl in CT : 6/23/2015 11:29 am : link
I hope Porz!
I would think  
Carl in CT : 6/23/2015 11:30 am : link
Russell
...  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 11:32 am : link
As it currently stands, the Hawks dont really have a roster spot for a player they would pick in the second round. They could select an international player who will remain overseas to develop. They could also pick a player who would play internationally to develop as was the case with last years second-rounders Edy Tavares and Lamar Patterson. Tavares spend the season in Spains ACB League and Patterson played in Turkey.

We spend a lot of time on the international market and studying the international players, Wilcox said. We believe in the value of international guys.

A trade involving one or more second-rounders is a real possibility. The Hawks have assets. They could package the picks to move up from No. 15 in the first round if a player they like falls. The Hawks wont give up what it would take to move into the top four spots. However, they could move up anywhere from Nos. 5-14.

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RE: Who would the Kings take at #2?  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 11:32 am : link
In comment 12338747 Carl in CT said:
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I hope Porz!


Probably Russell...karl wants to run
If it's a three-teamer with the Magic  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 11:32 am : link
then perhaps the Magic get the #2 and take Porz, otherwise the Knicks are shit outta luck.
and if they trade  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 11:33 am : link
Cousins for 2 and Randle they are fucking morons
Rumor above states  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 11:34 am : link
that the Kings are clearing some space for Rondo, so who knows? Sounds like a mess.
The Kings must be worried about Cousins off the court...  
Torrag : 6/23/2015 11:37 am : link
...or in the locker room to be seriously considering the rumored deals. They are getting bent over on paper.
Kaminsky  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 11:37 am : link
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Lopes1984 : 6/23/2015 11:39 am : link
In comment 12338766 bceagle05 said:
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that the Kings are clearing some space for Rondo, so who knows? Sounds like a mess.


If that's true then you'd have to assume they are looking to take Okafor, but Okafor and Randle would be terrible defensively. Their spacing would be piss poor as well because both of those guys operate best in the post Gay isn't exactly a good outside shooter, Rondo can't make a layup let alone an outside shot...basically the only guys they'd run out on the floor that can shoot at all are McLemore and Stauskas. Awful
Mudiay  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 11:39 am : link
vs. Russell
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RE: The Kings must be worried about Cousins off the court...  
CromartiesKid21 : 6/23/2015 11:40 am : link
In comment 12338773 Torrag said:
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...or in the locker room to be seriously considering the rumored deals. They are getting bent over on paper.

Cousins isnt the type of player that will get you far. Poor leader known to be selfish and a lack of self control evident by the piling technicals each year. His body language when things arent going his way is awful to watch if your a fan teammate or coach. Incredibly talented yes but reminds me of the Chris Webber type who will put up gaudy stats but his team will perennially struggle.
I wouldnt do it...  
Italianju : 6/23/2015 11:42 am : link
i was just saying if SAC is determined to move him then thats not a horrible deal. THere are very few deals id consider for him, he is a young superstar.
what deal would you prefer?  
giants#1 : 6/23/2015 11:42 am : link
Cousins for Randle/#2
Love for Wiggins + spare parts

Kings are all over the place.  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 11:44 am : link
Supposedly Karl's in on Lawson, too. Sounds like whatever they do, they're gonna be a lot worse five days from now than they are today. Why not just build around Cousins, Gay and the #6 pick?
'Cousins isnt the type of player that will get you far. '  
Torrag : 6/23/2015 11:45 am : link
He's a 24 year old stud entering his prime who just posted a season at 24.1ppg/12.7rpg/1.7bpg. You can't win with him? I couldn't disagree more.
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Anakim : 6/23/2015 11:48 am : link
CBS Sports NBA ‏@CBSSportsNBA 2m2 minutes ago
Report: Thunder shopping Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Steve Novak
I thought about this scenario  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 11:48 am : link
and this is the one that makes sense for all parties involved.

Lakers get: Collison, Gay, and Cousins

Sacramento gets: Vucevic, Randle, Aaron Gordon and Clarkson

Magic get: #2 and #27

Seems fair-ish as can be. Can give the #27 to the Kings, or give the Kings the #2 and the Magic the #5 if thats more fair. Can distribute Harkless and Nicholson as needed.
Maybe they end up with something like this:  
Lopes1984 : 6/23/2015 11:48 am : link
WCS
Randle
Gay
McLemore/Stauskas
Russell

Plus cap room from moving Cousins...does that roster have any potential to be good?
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BeerFridge : 6/23/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12338797 Anakim said:
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CBS Sports NBA ‏@CBSSportsNBA 2m2 minutes ago
Report: Thunder shopping Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Steve Novak


Bring back discount double check? Kidding.
*Give the Magic the #6.  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 11:50 am : link
not #5.
Lopes  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 11:51 am : link
Doesn't leave with a franchise type player like Cousins is, unless they are that high on Russell. Thats not terrible.

I would go all in if I were them. Get rid of Gay as well and acquire Clarkson, Vucevic and Aaron Gordon as well.
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Anakim : 6/23/2015 11:59 am : link
NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 42s42 seconds ago
The Celtics offered Marcus Smart, picks 16 and 28 to the 76ers for Nerlens Noel and the 3rd overall pick. Philly declined. (LA Times)
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giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 11:59 am : link
In comment 12338797 Anakim said:
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CBS Sports NBA ‏@CBSSportsNBA 2m2 minutes ago
Report: Thunder shopping Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Steve Novak


Ship them all to Denver for Chandler. He is their last missing piece. Can't believe they want to keep Waiters around still.
Celtics starting to realize  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 12:00 pm : link
that they don't have the players to build a legit contender?

Hopefully pushes Stevens to go back to NCAA and coach the Hoosiers.
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12338818 Anakim said:
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NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 42s42 seconds ago
The Celtics offered Marcus Smart, picks 16 and 28 to the 76ers for Nerlens Noel and the 3rd overall pick. Philly declined. (LA Times)




Celtics can not be serious
Ill transcribe best i can  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:03 pm : link
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 38s39 seconds ago
Phil Jackson chatting with reporters ahead of the draft: "I'm here to speak about things I can't speak about."

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 27s27 seconds ago
Phil, on potentially trading the pick: "We're listening. Not soliciting so much, but we're listening."

..  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:05 pm : link
NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 37s37 seconds ago
.@PhilJackson11: Were looking for mature kids with reasonable understanding of their skills. #KnicksDraft15
I don't get that Celtics offer at all  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/23/2015 12:07 pm : link
Noel > Smart
#3 pick > #16 + #28 pick

How dumb do they think the Sixers are?
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Anakim : 6/23/2015 12:07 pm : link
In comment 12338843 nygiants16 said:
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NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 37s37 seconds ago
.@PhilJackson11: Were looking for mature kids with reasonable understanding of their skills. #KnicksDraft15


So no to the project Porzingis?
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:08 pm : link
Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 49s50 seconds ago
Phil sounds like he wants a mature player who can help now from this draft.

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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12338846 Anakim said:
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In comment 12338843 nygiants16 said:


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NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 37s37 seconds ago
.@PhilJackson11: Were looking for mature kids with reasonable understanding of their skills. #KnicksDraft15



So no to the project Porzingis?


Pretty sure he's talking mentally, not their actual age. Porzingis comes off as very mature to me.
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:09 pm : link
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 20s21 seconds ago
Phil says Melo was on the court shooting yesterday. Says Melo also sat on sidelines and watched some draftees work out here yesterday

an Begley ‏@IanBegley 40s40 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson says Carmelo Anthony "looks great" while shooting on the court and is "happy with where he's at" in his rehab.
Fuck the Celtics.  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 12:11 pm : link
Just shows you what media perception can do for you. They are in no man's land with a team of JAGs and a bunch of mid-round picks that will keep them there unless someone bails them out with a lopsided trade, and people act like Stevens and Ainge have discovered some rebuilding secret. I'm guessing teams won't be handing them Hall of Famers on a silver platter like last time. I wouldn't move down two spots in the draft for any asset the Celtics have to offer.
agreed  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:11 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 40s40 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson says the NBA should hold free agency before the draft, as the NFL does.

RE: agreed  
Anakim : 6/23/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12338854 nygiants16 said:
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Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 40s40 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson says the NBA should hold free agency before the draft, as the NFL does.


I agree also
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Aspano! : 6/23/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12338818 Anakim said:
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NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 42s42 seconds ago
The Celtics offered Marcus Smart, picks 16 and 28 to the 76ers for Nerlens Noel and the 3rd overall pick. Philly declined. (LA Times)


Since when did Scott Layden join the Celtics?
:(  
Anakim : 6/23/2015 12:14 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 3s4 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson doesn't want to discuss Demarcus Cousins situation but suggests NY doesn't have the assets to be involved
RE: agreed  
Aspano! : 6/23/2015 12:14 pm : link
In comment 12338854 nygiants16 said:
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Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 40s40 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson says the NBA should hold free agency before the draft, as the NFL does.


What's the advantage of FA prior to the draft?
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