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NFT: Knicks Chat: 3 trades the Knicks should consider?

DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 8:13 am
"Here are three trades that might make sense for both teams:

1. Sixers send three 2016 first-round picks (Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder) to Knicks for No. 4 overall.

For the Knicks, this deal knocks them out of the first-round this year, but it does set the up to be major players next year. The Knicks, like the Sixers do now, would own potentially as many as four first-round picks in the 2016 NBA Draft, and would also have a ton of cap space to spend on free agents. Not getting a player this year would sting, but in the long run, this deal would set the Knicks up to re-build quickly.

2. Knicks send Jose Calderon (3 years, $7 million per) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000), and two future-first round draft picks

If the Knicks want to spend big on free agents this year, getting bad money off the books is key. Signing Calderon has proven to be a mistake, and his contract is the worst on the Knicks payroll (unless you want to count Carmelo Anthony's deal). The Sixers would essentially be buying the pick, as well as giving up two future assets.

3. Knicks send Andre Bargnani (1 year, $11 million) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000) and two future first-round picks

This deal is similar to the previous one, only it opens up more cap space this year for the Knicks. There are a number of marque free agents expected to be available, including Cleveland Cavalier forward Kevin Love. The Knicks would free up $11 million in cap space and collect two future first-round picks. The Sixers would get to pick at No. 3 and No. 4, and would likely buyout Bargnani."
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:15 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago
FWIW, #Knicks Phil Jackson says there is a small percentage that he will trade the pick.

Jonah Ballow ‏@jonahballow 2m2 minutes ago
.@PhilJackson11 on a potential trade in Sacramento w/ Cousins available: We are aware of the situation.

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson doesn't want to discuss Demarcus Cousins situation but suggests NY doesn't have the assets to be involved.

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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:15 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 52s52 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson says he has no idea what Philadelphia will do. In that sense, he's just like the rest of us.
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:16 pm : link
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 13s14 seconds ago
Phil says it's hard to tell how much of the pre-draft info that comes out is actually relevant to draft. Cites Embiid and Cousins news.

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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:18 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 35s35 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson says the team is looking to purchase a 2nd round pick.
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:19 pm : link
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 33s33 seconds ago
Phil said the team's workout yesterday -- reportedly Porzingis -- had to be canceled due to a cramp.

So frank Isola ripped Phil Jackson for doing a radio interview saying he was doing an interview rather than watching Porzingis workout and Porzingis wa snot even working out?
So was it cancelled or he didnt finish?  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:20 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 37s38 seconds ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson hinted that Kristaps Porzingis was dealing with an injury and didn't make it through his full workout yesterday.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12338877 nygiants16 said:
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Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 33s33 seconds ago
Phil said the team's workout yesterday -- reportedly Porzingis -- had to be canceled due to a cramp.

So frank Isola ripped Phil Jackson for doing a radio interview saying he was doing an interview rather than watching Porzingis workout and Porzingis wa snot even working out?


Par for the course for Frank. Next he'll use this opportunity to rip the knicks for not announcing that the workout was cancelled.
nah, that's not a Scott Layden trade  
Greg from LI : 6/23/2015 12:21 pm : link
Scott Layden would be offering Noel and #3 for Smart, #16, and #27, not the other way around.
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:22 pm : link
NBA New York Knicks ‏@nyknicks 42s43 seconds ago
.@PhilJackson11 says its a positive for a prospect to spend several years in college if the team wants them to move right into the lineup.
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:23 pm : link
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 21s22 seconds ago
Phil, on whether he'd prefer to play Carmelo at the 3 or the 4: "It depends upon the big."
Several  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 12:24 pm : link
years? So silly. That would rule out everyone in the lottery outside of WCS and Kaminsky
RE: Several  
BeerFridge : 6/23/2015 12:25 pm : link
In comment 12338896 DanMetroMan said:
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years? So silly. That would rule out everyone in the lottery outside of WCS and Kaminsky


He just said it's A positive.
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 12:25 pm : link
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 27s28 seconds ago
@WexlerRules The workout part was cancelled. He went through medical tests with docs here.
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arcarsenal : 6/23/2015 12:25 pm : link
Citing it as a positive doesn't mean he's ruling the other guys out.
I do agree that the one and done is bad for the NBA and NCAA  
Anakim : 6/23/2015 12:25 pm : link
It should be a two and done, at the very least
Jackson  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 12:27 pm : link
is delusional now.
Ridiculous comment  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 12:27 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 3m3 minutes ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson: "I did a great job last year."
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 12:28 pm : link
Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 5m5 minutes ago
Phil says ideally, team could find a good enough rim-protecting center -- in draft or FA -- that allows enough flexibility to play Melo at 4

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 3m3 minutes ago
Phil just said that he did a "great job" last season in terms of shedding salary and putting team in position to get high pick.

RE: I don't get that Celtics offer at all  
Ira : 6/23/2015 12:29 pm : link
In comment 12338845 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Noel > Smart
#3 pick > #16 + #28 pick

How dumb do they think the Sixers are?


Remember, Ainge is their gm.
If the fourth pick pans out  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 12:29 pm : link
and he spends his money wisely, then he did do a great job last year. We'll find out soon enough.
If he finds a way to move Calderon, I'll agree that Phil did ok  
BeerFridge : 6/23/2015 12:33 pm : link
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RE: Ridiculous comment  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2015 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12338912 DanMetroMan said:
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Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 3m3 minutes ago
#Knicks Phil Jackson: "I did a great job last year."


As somebody who pays attention to Sandy Alderson press conferences, you should know how to recognize tongue-in-cheek comments.
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 12:43 pm : link
Calderon vs. dumping Smith was a net negative so far in "cap room" and let's see how this high pick turns out. If Frank Kaminsky and a "veteran asset" are what we have to show..... Phil rips todays offense in favor of the triangle is comical as well.
I've made my feelings on WCS known  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/23/2015 12:45 pm : link
I won't litter the thread with my thoughts on WCS.

But based on some of Phil's comments, it really does seem like he's describing WCS moreso than any other prospect in that range.
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CromartiesKid21 : 6/23/2015 12:46 pm : link
In comment 12338914 nygiants16 said:
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Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 5m5 minutes ago
Phil says ideally, team could find a good enough rim-protecting center -- in draft or FA -- that allows enough flexibility to play Melo at 4

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 3m3 minutes ago
Phil just said that he did a "great job" last season in terms of shedding salary and putting team in position to get high pick.


Too bad Phil forgot to send the memo about getting a high pick to Fisher and THJ who thought they were supposed to combine to be like Steve Kerr and Steph Curry for the last week of the season.
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 12:54 pm : link
they keep the pick and you go by his comments then WCS and Kaminsky would be the obvious names. Who knows how much of what he says is accurate/true though.
The pre draft process  
elisha2014 : 6/23/2015 1:01 pm : link
is all misinformation and misleading peoples thoughts. Phil is the zen master - he thrives on mental games. If you read his book all he did was play mental games with MJ/Kobe to get what he wanted. It's just his way. don't read into anything. all smoke and mirrors.
That's  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 1:03 pm : link
all well and good but we've yet to see Phil's talent judging acumen and his obsession with the triangle (Charley Rosen made pretty clear the media isn't hyping up Phil's triangle obsession at all). I'm not giving Phil Jackson the benefit of the doubt here. He's proven the triangle works with 1st ballot HOFers (multiple) on a roster.
I doubt he picks at WCS  
Ash_3 : 6/23/2015 1:05 pm : link
at 4. I think Phil knows that he needs a guard who can penetrate and create and no such guard is forthcoming from FA or via a trade, given our complete lack of assets.
All this angst  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 1:09 pm : link
and it's probably gonna go Towns-Okafor-Russell-Mudiay, as we all assumed months ago.
This shit sucks  
nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 1:11 pm : link
I wish it was 8pm thursday all this speculation and not knowing is just making each day drag and drag...

plus i am nervous my information is going to be wrong...
the triangle hype is likely legit  
giants#1 : 6/23/2015 1:12 pm : link
but it's also not as unique as people make it out to be (as Horry claimed recently). And I highly doubt Phil is giving up hints about his pick. Far more likely he's generating smoke.
RE: All this angst  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 1:13 pm : link
In comment 12339000 bceagle05 said:
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and it's probably gonna go Towns-Okafor-Russell-Mudiay, as we all assumed months ago.


Yup. This is how the NFL works too. Mel Kiper and Todd Mckshay have their draft boards, then proceed to change it every damn week only to revert to their original ones. All pertinent information was known by execs as soon as the NCAA and international seasons ended.
Hope  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 1:14 pm : link
so. Mudiay fills a need, has upside, intelligence, athleticism to be a difference maker on defense. He doesn't need to be a superstar, an above average PG is a game changer for us.
RE: All this angst  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2015 1:17 pm : link
In comment 12339000 bceagle05 said:
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and it's probably gonna go Towns-Okafor-Russell-Mudiay, as we all assumed months ago.


I'm okay with that if it falls that way. I can have my pick between Mudiay and Zinger? Sure, why not.
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giants#1 : 6/23/2015 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12339013 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 12339000 bceagle05 said:


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and it's probably gonna go Towns-Okafor-Russell-Mudiay, as we all assumed months ago.



Yup. This is how the NFL works too. Mel Kiper and Todd Mckshay have their draft boards, then proceed to change it every damn week only to revert to their original ones. All pertinent information was known by execs as soon as the NCAA and international seasons ended.


Combine and pro-days have some impact since it's usually the first "live" look the GM/coach get at the players. Though probably doesn't affect the top 3-5 players much.

For the NBA, the workouts likely have some impact, especially when grading guys at similar positions (e.g. Russell vs Mudiay or Towns vs Okafor). If Okafor showed more range than thought it might've closed the gap some.
Getting back to Monroe for a second,  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2015 1:20 pm : link
in no way does he match Phil's description of an ideal big man for this team. Makes me wonder if he's the stone cold lock everyone assumes.
For  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 1:20 pm : link
a kid whom basically spurned him (and maybe a shot at a big season) Larry Brown has been effusive in his praise of Mudiay including his potential fit with us.
RE: Getting back to Monroe for a second,  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 1:23 pm : link
In comment 12339024 bceagle05 said:
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in no way does he match Phil's description of an ideal big man for this team. Makes me wonder if he's the stone cold lock everyone assumes.


Note that there are two big men slots that need to be filled. It would be counterproductive for both of them to fit the same exact description.
Monroe  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 1:26 pm : link
next to a Robin Lopez type + Mudiay would suddenly have the Knicks looking in decent shape.
RE: Getting back to Monroe for a second,  
kash94 : 6/23/2015 1:28 pm : link
In comment 12339024 bceagle05 said:
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in no way does he match Phil's description of an ideal big man for this team. Makes me wonder if he's the stone cold lock everyone assumes.


Was thinking about that too actually. If you can get a defensive and shotblocking player with some range (like ability to hit occasional jumper) it could work.

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In terms of a deal, the most the Knicks can offer is 4 years 60 right? Since he would be coming off his rookie deal and signing with another team?
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DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 1:28 pm : link
In comment 12339040 kash94 said:
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In comment 12339024 bceagle05 said:


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in no way does he match Phil's description of an ideal big man for this team. Makes me wonder if he's the stone cold lock everyone assumes.



Was thinking about that too actually. If you can get a defensive and shotblocking player with some range (like ability to hit occasional jumper) it could work.

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In terms of a deal, the most the Knicks can offer is 4 years 60 right? Since he would be coming off his rookie deal and signing with another team?


Yes. And 4 for 60 (flaws and all) is a steal for a 25 year old big with his skills.
RE: Monroe  
kash94 : 6/23/2015 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12339036 DanMetroMan said:
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next to a Robin Lopez type + Mudiay would suddenly have the Knicks looking in decent shape.


PG: Mudiay, Calderon, some PG
SG: Galloway, THJ, Thannis
SF: Melo, some 3-5 million player, Early
PF: Monroe, Acy
C: Lopez, vet min guy

Not a great team by any stretch but at least there's some base there. Team would be able to add a 15 million player type the following year or a max slot if they can move Calderon I think.
RE: RE: RE: Getting back to Monroe for a second,  
kash94 : 6/23/2015 1:30 pm : link
In comment 12339042 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12339040 kash94 said:


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In comment 12339024 bceagle05 said:


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in no way does he match Phil's description of an ideal big man for this team. Makes me wonder if he's the stone cold lock everyone assumes.



Was thinking about that too actually. If you can get a defensive and shotblocking player with some range (like ability to hit occasional jumper) it could work.

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In terms of a deal, the most the Knicks can offer is 4 years 60 right? Since he would be coming off his rookie deal and signing with another team?



Yes. And 4 for 60 (flaws and all) is a steal for a 25 year old big with his skills.


I tend to agree despite all these flaws. In a few years 15 million a year for a guy putting up 15-18, 10-12 and a decent passer is not bad. He's only 25 also as you said
Theres a few guys available next season  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2015 1:32 pm : link
that can fit alongside Mudiay. George Hill, OJ Mayo, Wilson Chandler, Nic Batum, Eric Gordon, and even Lance Stephenson, Deron Williams or Brandon Jennings if they have a comeback year.

A George Hill/Mudiay backcourt can be pretty good.
Of course Monroe fits Jackson's ideal of a big man.  
manh george : 6/23/2015 1:42 pm : link
1) He is available
2) He might want to play for us.
3) He is big.
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nygiants16 : 6/23/2015 1:50 pm : link
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 56s57 seconds ago
Don't be surprised if there are a number of draft-day deals. I keep hearing that many teams are seriously considering moving up or down.
little late to the thread  
djm : 6/23/2015 1:55 pm : link
but why are so many obsessed with shedding salary? We are in GREAT financial shape and next off-season should be great as well. Big deal we have Calderon on the books for 7 per...that's nothing.

IF we are trading down it's gonna be for TALENT. It's gonna be a 2 for 1 type deal. It won't be done primarily to shed salary. Calderon's contract won't prevent the Knicks from signing big names the next 2 years.

Lazy articles written by people that have nothing else to write about so they conjure up the same crap written last week. Oh I have to write about the Knicks? Let me summon up some negativity and focus on money because everyone can relate to that. It's horse shit.
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Anakim : 6/23/2015 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12339085 nygiants16 said:
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Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 56s57 seconds ago
Don't be surprised if there are a number of draft-day deals. I keep hearing that many teams are seriously considering moving up or down.


Jon in NYC's favorite writer. Haha
RE: little late to the thread  
DanMetroMan : 6/23/2015 1:57 pm : link
In comment 12339098 djm said:
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but why are so many obsessed with shedding salary? We are in GREAT financial shape and next off-season should be great as well. Big deal we have Calderon on the books for 7 per...that's nothing.

IF we are trading down it's gonna be for TALENT. It's gonna be a 2 for 1 type deal. It won't be done primarily to shed salary. Calderon's contract won't prevent the Knicks from signing big names the next 2 years.

Lazy articles written by people that have nothing else to write about so they conjure up the same crap written last week. Oh I have to write about the Knicks? Let me summon up some negativity and focus on money because everyone can relate to that. It's horse shit.


Phil brought up his ability to shed salary as doing a "great job". Wasn't a media swipe.
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