"Here are three trades that might make sense for both teams:
1. Sixers send three 2016 first-round picks (Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder) to Knicks for No. 4 overall.
For the Knicks, this deal knocks them out of the first-round this year, but it does set the up to be major players next year. The Knicks, like the Sixers do now, would own potentially as many as four first-round picks in the 2016 NBA Draft, and would also have a ton of cap space to spend on free agents. Not getting a player this year would sting, but in the long run, this deal would set the Knicks up to re-build quickly.
2. Knicks send Jose Calderon (3 years, $7 million per) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000), and two future-first round draft picks
If the Knicks want to spend big on free agents this year, getting bad money off the books is key. Signing Calderon has proven to be a mistake, and his contract is the worst on the Knicks payroll (unless you want to count Carmelo Anthony's deal). The Sixers would essentially be buying the pick, as well as giving up two future assets.
3. Knicks send Andre Bargnani (1 year, $11 million) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000) and two future first-round picks
This deal is similar to the previous one, only it opens up more cap space this year for the Knicks. There are a number of marque free agents expected to be available, including Cleveland Cavalier forward Kevin Love. The Knicks would free up $11 million in cap space and collect two future first-round picks. The Sixers would get to pick at No. 3 and No. 4, and would likely buyout Bargnani."
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Ideally they would be able to get DeAndre Jordan and play him next to Melo and you're actually in decent shape up front defensively. It gives them so much more flexibility when figuring out the rest of the roster because you are off to a much better start defensively. Good luck attracting Jordan here though.
Well if they want KP that badly and the Knicks are sold on Mudiay, then I'd trade back just for an extra 2nd round pick. Anything more than that is gravy.
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Yea would be a great move if this could happen. Anyone have any past trade history on moving up one pick at the top of an NBA draft?
One recent one I remember was in 2008:
Timberwolves receive: Kevin Love (so pick 5), Mike Miller (he was coming off a 16 ppg, 50, 40 season and in his prime), Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins
Grizzlies receive: OJ Mayo (so pick 3), Antoine Walker, Marko Jaric, and Greg Buckner
So essentially the Wolves received a very solid veteran to move back 2 spots. Hopefully they can trade 1 of their solid young players + the pick to move a spot.
Sources say 76ers and Blazers have discussed a deal that would give Philly #23 pick in exchange for #35 and #37 picks (and possibly more).
League sources say Pacers and Hawks had exploratory talks about swapping #11 pick and #15 pick. I'm not sure what else would be included.
I've heard Celtics, Blazers, Bucks, Hawks are considering moving up. Pelicans may try to buy first-rounder. Clippers want to acquire a pick.
Thunder may try to move up for someone specific, or they may move down if the guys they want are off the board by #14. Depends what happens.
Ideally they would be able to get DeAndre Jordan and play him next to Melo and you're actually in decent shape up front defensively. It gives them so much more flexibility when figuring out the rest of the roster because you are off to a much better start defensively. Good luck attracting Jordan here though.
Playing Melo primarily at the 4 is asking to shorten his shelf life. Lebron is at his best playing the 4 but there are very big reasons why he does not play there all of the time. He's going to wear down against the bigger PFs. The Knicks had a defense with Melo at the 3 before. Granted, they had Tyson Chandler, but if the backcourt was Mudiay and Galloway, its safe to say the perimeter defense would be stronger than it was 3 years ago.
Plus, I don't think Monroe is as bad as STAT on defense.
Thunder may try to move up for someone specific, or they may move down if the guys they want are off the board by #14. Depends what happens.
How is this newsworthy?
So explain to me what Phil could have done differently if they couldn't get anything else for Chandler? Please...I am all ears. The Knicks had literally NO way of acquiring any legit talent this last year. None. They had no money. No picks and no real tradeable assets outside of Chandler.
If Donnie Walsh did a great job before that summer of Stat, and EVERYONE in the media said he did, then JAckson did an even better job because he only traded away one valuable player and he got actual assets in return. Walsh dumped Zach and Crawford for nothing and then drafted a slob and signed a broken down Stat for 100 million. Jackson hasn't had a real chance to make his mark here...not in the least... but he has set the team up for success. That cannot be denied.
WTF was Phil supposed to do the last year? Tell his team to lose every game the last week and hope for more lottery luck?
If you wanted to play devil's advocate looking back on the past, you could say he could've held on to Tyson until mid-season and trade with a team that was looking for a rim protector, like the Cavs did with Mozgov.
Even then is stretching it. Chandler was an expiring at tons of money and I don't see how much more we could've gotten. Its a stretch to say the Cavs would've given up a future 1st for him.
And the Calderon trade isn't really hurting us this year. We have enough money to sign Monroe and any of the defensive bigs in free agency. There aren't really any SGs that will be receiving offers at fair value. Afflalo, Mathews, etc. will all be vastly overpaid. You could argue that Galloway had a better season than Afflalo did, and he will be making 1/10 as much as Afflalo and is 7 years younger.
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So I hated using assets to pair with "bad" contracts (I also thought we were trading guys at their lowest value). Instead of using Shump to move JR, use Shump to get a shitty #1 pick. Dont do the Chandler trade which actually added 2015 salary (I believe). Just eat the shit contracts.
The Knicks did nothing but set themselves up for the future these last 12 months. They tanked as well as any of us could have hoped. They didn't waste Melo at all and shut him down. They got young talent for Chandler and they got rid of JR at the cost of dumping Shump with him. Both players fucking suck.
So please...explain to me this grand master plan that Phil could have conjured up that would have had the Knicks in better shape right now.
IMO Tyson Chandler could have returned a ton at the deadline.
Sending Calderon over for Nicholson, who got like 12 minutes a game, is not unreasonable in my opinion. Especially since the difference between KP and Mudiay looks to be a huge difference given Orlando's current players. Plus, they could use a backup PG at this point, so calderon is not a terrible fit.
Shump is garbage. He's a decent on the ball defensive player that can't finish, can't play away from the ball, doesn't see the court and at best is an erratic shooter.
If Calderon hurts this team's chances at signing big player then we will revisit that trade. I doubt it does.
New York Knicks: Kristaps Porzingis, C, Latvia, 7-2, 1995
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Porzingis' window seems to be second-fifth and his stock seems to be especially hot right now thanks to recent work outs and he could go as high as #2 to the Lakers. The Latvian is a versatile, athletic big man and the Knicks need all sorts of help in their frontcourt which is why he gets the nod over Emmanuel Mudiay.
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Still hearing that moving back is possibility for Knicks. Source says they haven't fallen in love with anyone at 4 and are weighing options.
Kinda sucks, if he was under contract I think it would've been ideal to ask for him in a trade back. If I had to put a # on him to safely take him away from Orlando, it would be upwards of $8 million a year. If we were to offer it Day 1 of free agency I think we would have a good shot because they can't tie up there money in O'quinn when a team might come and offer a max to Tobias Harris.
team may move up, but may move down, but may stay put... they have a target... they may take them... blah blah
ICYMI: @ryenarussillo just mentioned that his sources say #Sixers are asking around bout Mudiay
Knicks among teams on DeMarcus Cousins' wish list, per @KBergCBS:
I would go after a guy like Jae Crowder as a 3 and D specialist or maybe get another backup center like Biyombo or Koufos. If we came away with three 25 year-old starting caliber players I would give Phil an A+ this offseason.
Im in it for the long haul. Not having that 2016 #1 hurts like hell, but I'd still go into full rebuild. Trade Melo if you can get a young player and a pick (work especially hard to involve DEN and get back our pick). Sign a bunch of UFAs this year without regard to fit -- just get younger guys on favorable deals. Trade them when the cap goes up or keep them around while we rebuild; doesnt matter. Use the next 2 drafts to bring in some talent, and bide time for bigger and better free agent scores. Basically, use the Rockets as a model except with a top 4 pick to boot.
Knicks receive Bledsoe and 8th pick
Suns receive 4th pick
Pistons receive 13, THJ, cash, and a Suns 2nd rounder
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That's probably way too much for the Suns to give but if this works out the Knicks could maybe draft WCS at 8. If they sign Monroe you could have a lineup of.
PG: Bledsoe, Calderon, some 3rd string PG
SG: Galloway, Thannis
SF: Melo, Early
PF: Monroe Acy
C: WCS
Bench would be absolutely horrendous but I think the starters would complement one another pretty well.
Knicks receive Bledsoe and 8th pick
Suns receive 4th pick
Pistons receive 13, THJ, cash, and a Suns 2nd rounder
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That's probably way too much for the Suns to give but if this works out the Knicks could maybe draft WCS at 8. If they sign Monroe you could have a lineup of.
PG: Bledsoe, Calderon, some 3rd string PG
SG: Galloway, Thannis
SF: Melo, Early
PF: Monroe Acy
C: WCS
Bench would be absolutely horrendous but I think the starters would complement one another pretty well.
Sorry mean't to say that's not enough for the Pistons to move back to 13 not that it's too much for the Suns to give up.
Knicks among teams on DeMarcus Cousins' wish list, per @KBergCBS:
i would love to believe it but knicks do not have anything close to acquire cousins
So explain to me what Phil could have done differently if they couldn't get anything else for Chandler? Please...I am all ears. The Knicks had literally NO way of acquiring any legit talent this last year. None. They had no money. No picks and no real tradeable assets outside of Chandler.
If Donnie Walsh did a great job before that summer of Stat, and EVERYONE in the media said he did, then JAckson did an even better job because he only traded away one valuable player and he got actual assets in return. Walsh dumped Zach and Crawford for nothing and then drafted a slob and signed a broken down Stat for 100 million. Jackson hasn't had a real chance to make his mark here...not in the least... but he has set the team up for success. That cannot be denied.
WTF was Phil supposed to do the last year? Tell his team to lose every game the last week and hope for more lottery luck?
2 2nd rounders, Calderon AND Larkin (18th pick in the 1st round)... so Phil got a decent return for a turd and overrated player in Chandler.
And Calderon, lol.
If we land Cousins that means we are trying to win-now with Melo. So that means we will make signings to build a contending team in the 2-3 window Cousins and Melo share together and not make moves to create a young core. By the time Melo is 34-35, Cousins will be entering his 30s and we will be doing the same fucking thing with Cousins.
Just take the damn pick, don't trade any more future picks, sign young, smart players like Monroe, and move the fuck on.
Knicks can't trade the 4th pick this year since they dont have one in 2016
So explain to me what Phil could have done differently if they couldn't get anything else for Chandler? Please...I am all ears. The Knicks had literally NO way of acquiring any legit talent this last year. None. They had no money. No picks and no real tradeable assets outside of Chandler.
If Donnie Walsh did a great job before that summer of Stat, and EVERYONE in the media said he did, then JAckson did an even better job because he only traded away one valuable player and he got actual assets in return. Walsh dumped Zach and Crawford for nothing and then drafted a slob and signed a broken down Stat for 100 million. Jackson hasn't had a real chance to make his mark here...not in the least... but he has set the team up for success. That cannot be denied.
WTF was Phil supposed to do the last year? Tell his team to lose every game the last week and hope for more lottery luck?
You mean like the 2nd rounder Phil gave up in the Travis Outlaw trade?
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is close with Melo but we just don't have the ammo (or close to it). What's the best we can offer? #4, 2017 1st round pick, THjr and Galloway?
Knicks can't trade the 4th pick this year since they dont have one in 2016
Well they could draft a player and trade them later.