"Here are three trades that might make sense for both teams:
1. Sixers send three 2016 first-round picks (Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat and Oklahoma City Thunder) to Knicks for No. 4 overall.
For the Knicks, this deal knocks them out of the first-round this year, but it does set the up to be major players next year. The Knicks, like the Sixers do now, would own potentially as many as four first-round picks in the 2016 NBA Draft, and would also have a ton of cap space to spend on free agents. Not getting a player this year would sting, but in the long run, this deal would set the Knicks up to re-build quickly.
2. Knicks send Jose Calderon (3 years, $7 million per) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000), and two future-first round draft picks
If the Knicks want to spend big on free agents this year, getting bad money off the books is key. Signing Calderon has proven to be a mistake, and his contract is the worst on the Knicks payroll (unless you want to count Carmelo Anthony's deal). The Sixers would essentially be buying the pick, as well as giving up two future assets.
3. Knicks send Andre Bargnani (1 year, $11 million) and No. 4 overall to Sixers for Henry Sims (1 year, $900,000) and two future first-round picks
This deal is similar to the previous one, only it opens up more cap space this year for the Knicks. There are a number of marque free agents expected to be available, including Cleveland Cavalier forward Kevin Love. The Knicks would free up $11 million in cap space and collect two future first-round picks. The Sixers would get to pick at No. 3 and No. 4, and would likely buyout Bargnani."
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"On October 27, 2014, Outlaw was traded, along with a 2019 second-round draft selection and the option exchange 2018 second-round draft selections, to the Philadelphia 76ers in exchange for Arnett Moultrie.[10] "
I was just told in an above post that people no longer give them away. How can it go both ways?
Like I said, the Knicks weren't turning chicken shit into chicken salad this last calendar year. Phil is officially on the clock as we speak. IF this team isn't showing progress by Christmas or at least flashing some serious young talent, then get on Phil. Until then it's premature.
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That's how Early was drafted.
I was just told in an above post that people no longer give them away. How can it go both ways?
Dan I was making a point. You can deflect all you want but you started this whole debate by shitting on Phil's statement that he did a great job shedding salary.
And no, team's don't just give picks away. Don't act stupid.
Like I said, the Knicks weren't turning chicken shit into chicken salad this last calendar year. Phil is officially on the clock as we speak. IF this team isn't showing progress by Christmas or at least flashing some serious young talent, then get on Phil. Until then it's premature.
Isn't Outlaw a FA now? How did this deal him the Knicks? Unless I'm reading his contract wrong we gave up a 2nd rounder to rid ourselves of a guy who was going to be a FA anyway, Mills claimed it was because we liked... Travis Wear. Very few on here are trashing Phil Jackson at this point but it's 100% fair to say he hasn't done much in the positive either.
Whatever...it's like watching a monkey fuck a football with this debate. ONe I seem to be having with myself. Carry on with your angst ridden speculation. It's certainly entertaining.
No I don't think he's been excellent but I don't think he's done anything wrong either. And I don't really give a crap if Phil answers a loaded question from the media by saying he did an excellent job. That's just lip service of course the guy is gonna say that. You took the guy to task for responding with a BS answer to a BS question. That's kind of weak.
I'll try and transcribe:
-Worked out last friday--no more workouts...kind of stressful but fun...(who cares)
-Rooted for the Rockets as a kid (who cares)
-likes to travel (who cares)
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i'm already bored...
-the entire process is crazy...working out for different teams...flying here and there...crazy process. Teams probe every way imaginable
-Winslow was never planning on going one and done..things obviously changed and it was time to declare
-feels his game is all about versatility - was asked to do a lot on the court despite playing with talented players
-doesn't know where he's gonna be drafted. No idea...
-no preference
it's still going but nothing major is being said...
Fair enough...let's just hope he gets these next 5 months right. I never liked the guy either...I do think he's patient enough to get the Knicks right...but time will tell..
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That's how Early was drafted.
I was just told in an above post that people no longer give them away. How can it go both ways?
I don't know how to answer your question, but they got two second round picks as part of what they got from trading Chandler and Felton. And haven't 2nd round picks been straight up bought with cash?
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I'm a current Georgetown student so this is pretty interesting to me. Just to give you an overview.
Strenghts:
-Massive massive body and frame
-Very solid post game with good footwork and touch. One of the more efficient players in college in this regard.
-Pretty decent passer for a guy of his size. Won't make flashy passes but is definitely above average. Georgetown big men are often designed plays which require them to pass.
-Was a 5 star recruit coming out of HS. At this point doesn't make a difference really but worth throwing that in there.
-Played against good competition in the big east.
-His production numbers per minute were excellent. Almost 20 ppg on over 60% shooting.
Weaknesses:
-Conditioning a major issue. Lost like 20 lbs before his senior year but Georgetown had to pull him out of games because he couldn't run up and down the court a lot
-Poor defender
-Poor shotblocker
-Not a great rebounder. Had a few games where he'd literally have 2-3 rebounders which is not great considering his size and position
-No outside shot at all
In terms of player comparisons I would think of Eddy Curry in the sense that he's a very talented player offensively but has little else to offer.
For a team with 0 bigs he'd be a good camp invite. I can see why Phil may be interested in him as he's a big who can post up and pass but he's not more then a bench player; certainly won't go drafted.
Not sure how big a deal this is but worth mentioning I think.
Heh, what contract would you give that guy?
Teams LOVE the top of the second round, because you get players that may end up as good as the back of the first round, but with no guaranteed cash involved. People have been
talking for years about the Knicks buying second round picks, but we virtually never have been able to get one at the top of the second for cash, only as part of a trade. And it wasn't a matter of being cheap--we paid pretty well for low second round picks, several times.
For the record I agree with you but wasn't this what everyone was going crazy over Lebron in the finals?
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quite a few teams have inquired into Royce White, one would think in a perfect would he'd be absolutely PERFECT in the triangle.
Heh, what contract would you give that guy?
Non-guarantee deal with a promise of a chance to get minutes if he keeps his head on straight.
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worked out Joshua Smith. He's not projected to be drafted but MASSIVE body, upside. Why not?
I'm a current Georgetown student so this is pretty interesting to me. Just to give you an overview.
Strenghts:
-Massive massive body and frame
-Very solid post game with good footwork and touch. One of the more efficient players in college in this regard.
-Pretty decent passer for a guy of his size. Won't make flashy passes but is definitely above average. Georgetown big men are often designed plays which require them to pass.
-Was a 5 star recruit coming out of HS. At this point doesn't make a difference really but worth throwing that in there.
-Played against good competition in the big east.
-His production numbers per minute were excellent. Almost 20 ppg on over 60% shooting.
Weaknesses:
-Conditioning a major issue. Lost like 20 lbs before his senior year but Georgetown had to pull him out of games because he couldn't run up and down the court a lot
-Poor defender
-Poor shotblocker
-Not a great rebounder. Had a few games where he'd literally have 2-3 rebounders which is not great considering his size and position
-No outside shot at all
In terms of player comparisons I would think of Eddy Curry in the sense that he's a very talented player offensively but has little else to offer.
For a team with 0 bigs he'd be a good camp invite. I can see why Phil may be interested in him as he's a big who can post up and pass but he's not more then a bench player; certainly won't go drafted.
Sounds worthy of a summer league invite based on size/some offensive ablity alone. I've read his post game is above average,
Well considering a "few" teams are talking to him one has to assume there is some remedy no?
Drafted 16th overall in 2012 by the Houston Rockets, the 24-year-old has played in just three regular-season tilts to date. He's spent the last three years bouncing around, going from Houston to the Philadelphia 76ers to the Sacramento Kings.
As USA Today's Sam Amick noted back in February 2014, he "struggled to adjust to the NBA lifestyle," in large part because he suffers from an anxiety disorder. But White isn't thinking about that now. He's ready to return.
"I don't even believe in that, in case it doesn't work out," he said of his return, per KSTP.com. "It's gonna work out, it's gonna work out."
It's unlikely that White lands a prominent role anywhere. But teams will always make room for a versatile forward with first-round upside. The best fits will be squads that can capitalize on his skill set and surround him with the right leadership.
Rumors will play a factor in determining White's best potential destinations. Past ties to coaches and play styles will count heavily as well.
Potential playing time matters, but it's not everything. White needs to be on a good team that can be patient and bring him along slowly as he tries to make up for three seasons' worth of lost time.
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Bulls, Pelicans emerging as suitors for Royce White's NBA comeback in July, sources tell RealGM. Former 16th pick is deciding among several.
I was simply saying Cousins is too in love with the jump shot for never being able to hit it consistently when he has good face up, post, and passing skills. Doesn't have any business shooting it that much, unlike Lebron, who had no teammates.
Cousins just doesn't translate to winning too many games on his own. I think if they were to get a solid defensive presence like WCS he could thrive. I just do not see Cousins as the type of player to carry a team to the playoffs let alone win. He could be very successful in a great team dynamic, but the jury is still out on what that dynamic specifically is. I'm sure George Karl can figure something out if he chooses to keep him, but I'm not sure he wants to. But what I am saying is I do not want the Knicks to be the laboratory to figure out how Cousins can fit into a winning culture, because as history indicates, those experiments tend to fail in NY.
I'd totally trade the #4 for Boogie in a freakin' heart beat.
I'd totally trade the #4 for Boogie in a freakin' heart beat.
If it was just this years 1st rounder I would do it. But if they aren't accepting the Lakers #2 and Randle that clearly wouldn't cut it. I wouldn't trade the 2017 first, Galloway, THJR, Early, etc, etc. in order to get him.
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You hope and pray that Mudiay or Porzingis would be as good as Boogie Cousins - there's a good chance they won't and a slim chance they'd be better. And he's so damn entertaining. Melo would be by far the best player he's every played with and in the East he would be a true force.
I'd totally trade the #4 for Boogie in a freakin' heart beat.
If it was just this years 1st rounder I would do it. But if they aren't accepting the Lakers #2 and Randle that clearly wouldn't cut it. I wouldn't trade the 2017 first, Galloway, THJR, Early, etc, etc. in order to get him.
I would. Galloway, THJR, Early are spare parts and with Cousins and Melo (in the East), it's unlikely the 2017 first is worth much.
From your lips to Phil's basketball god's ears.
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worked out Joshua Smith. He's not projected to be drafted but MASSIVE body, upside. Why not?
I'm a current Georgetown student so this is pretty interesting to me. Just to give you an overview.
Strenghts:
-Massive massive body and frame
-Very solid post game with good footwork and touch. One of the more efficient players in college in this regard.
-Pretty decent passer for a guy of his size. Won't make flashy passes but is definitely above average. Georgetown big men are often designed plays which require them to pass.
-Was a 5 star recruit coming out of HS. At this point doesn't make a difference really but worth throwing that in there.
-Played against good competition in the big east.
-His production numbers per minute were excellent. Almost 20 ppg on over 60% shooting.
Weaknesses:
-Conditioning a major issue. Lost like 20 lbs before his senior year but Georgetown had to pull him out of games because he couldn't run up and down the court a lot
-Poor defender
-Poor shotblocker
-Not a great rebounder. Had a few games where he'd literally have 2-3 rebounders which is not great considering his size and position
-No outside shot at all
In terms of player comparisons I would think of Eddy Curry in the sense that he's a very talented player offensively but has little else to offer.
For a team with 0 bigs he'd be a good camp invite. I can see why Phil may be interested in him as he's a big who can post up and pass but he's not more then a bench player; certainly won't go drafted.
Sounds worthy of a summer league invite based on size/some offensive ablity alone. I've read his post game is above average,
Post game is tremendous. He's not just strong - he has actual skills. It's the rest of the game that is lacking.
The owner is a straight wacko. One of the worst moves he made was not one of his terrible basketball decisions, but to sign Sim Bhullar as the first Indian player to make a statement. The dude doesn't deserve to play in the D-League despite being 7'6". It was a pathetic and embarrassing move.
Vivek is definitely a very annoying owner so far though. I feel for the Kings fans after dealing with the idiot Maloofs forever.
I mean... the court is the same length in the NBDL in the NBA, and Bhullar's team played at an insanely fast pace (they scored 130 points per game). I don't doubt that his conditioning wasn't NBA-caliber, but if his conditioning was really -that- bad he wouldn't be able to survive in the D-League playing at the Bighorns' pace.
I don't think Bhullar failed because he's out of shape, I think he failed because he's not a good enough basketball player. The D-League isn't a great league - the salaries aren't competitive with what fringe guys can get playing overseas - but D-League backcourts are on the whole much better and deeper than D-League frontcourts.
He said it is a red flag since no one is talking about Mudiay...
Says he would take Winslow at 4 because he is the safest pick after Russell..
Says if Knicks do not get Russell it is like them missing on Curry