You don't like what the great Glen Sather has done, Ranger fans around here act like we won 3 fucking cups in a row, unfortunately they have no cups in the many many years this moron has been the GM.
before the Rangers, although I'm down here in Tampa and they talk here like the Bolts are the next Blackhawks so maybe I'll need to pay more attention to hockey.
before the Rangers, although I'm down here in Tampa and they talk here like the Bolts are the next Blackhawks so maybe I'll need to pay more attention to hockey.
Why? Better for the league if the rangers win. May you be wrong and not a hard C
Zacha has excellent size and speed which is much needed. He is raw and will probably now make the team for at least a year but a good pick for the Devils.
Sather in the past has taken bad contracts so perhaps he actually learned that taking a bad contract in order to attain an asset is not always the way to go.
You let him walk, the so called need to trade him was garbage. So they get St. Louis and give up 2 first rounders, real smart, now they are up against the cap, and still no cup.
They went to the Finals and would've gone this year if their blue line all didn't get hurt at the same time. I don't know how you blame that on Sather.
What makes you think Talbot is worth a first round pick. 28 years old only 53 starts. He had a good run on a good team.
Primarily visual observation of his performance.
I actually dont know what his value is because of the upcoming UFA. But he has been very, very good in his 53 starts. .931 save percentage over two seasons is no joke, and he really stepped up when he was forced to be the #1 goalie. We have an offer of multiple #2s according to several reports, and supposedly #31 plus a dman. The problem in getting a #1 seems to be that the teams that really want him are in the middle of the round and not in the mid/late 20s.
can always trade him after the draft or in season. And if not we have a great backup. Maybe we have an offer for a 2016 #1 (TSN did report we had an offer of a #1).
Im not going to cry in my soup over missed #2s.
It's possible we're focusing on a roster player rather than a pick.
but I have to think that (1) the Isles are in win now mode, and (2) they had to have been prepared to give him more time to develop given his profile. That makes me think they really soured on him.
If I were the Rangers I'd keep him unless he returns a 1st
but I have to think that (1) the Isles are in win now mode, and (2) they had to have been prepared to give him more time to develop given his profile. That makes me think they really soured on him.
It sounds that way from some "insider" rumors. There was a rumor he'd even requested a trade last year. This was pretty good value and the truth is they had him and 2 other high picks in the AHL last year and the other 2 just outplayed him.
How would moving a high draft pick who hadn't yielded the development the team had hoped (and we should all note that defensemen take longer to develop) in exchange for two picks that are at best still some time away equate to win-now mode? Dal Colle is still another season away and Ho-Sang is 2-3 seasons away.
That said, most reports have Pulock in the 5-6 D slot this season, Hickey will be resigned shortly, and Mayfield showed the toughness in his limited run (coupled with real development in his skills over the past 2 years) that the Isles expected of Reinhart. I really like the moves here by Garth, and I do hope that Reinhart has a good career. To recoup a first rounder (higher than our pick traded to BUF, #21) and a second rounder given the Isles' defensive prospect pipeling bearing fruit, Snow did well.
This center, Barzal, with the skill/playmaking capabilities the draft crew are talking about (let's slow down on Button's "Datsyuk-like" comment, but I'd be thrilled if it happened) is our future replacement for Nielsen if we move him sometime or if his time in NY eventually runs out. Also tells me that Ryan Strome, originally a C, will be kept at wing, where I couldn't be more thrilled should he ride shotgun with JT for a very long time.
How would moving a high draft pick who hadn't yielded the development the team had hoped (and we should all note that defensemen take longer to develop) in exchange for two picks that are at best still some time away equate to win-now mode? Dal Colle is still another season away and Ho-Sang is 2-3 seasons away.
Win-now as opposed to tear down rebuild. Win-now in the sense that they should have an expectation of competing for the division title again.
Isles are in a sweet spot where they have a ton of good underpriced talent (because of pre-UFA years and JT's very favorable contract). I'd normally think that a team in their position would be using a now-ready former top 5 pick to acquire a vet like Pat Sharp, rather than go back to the drawing board on that asset (with a mid #1 and a #2).
that's a head scratcher to me.Holtby is fine/good. Goalie prospects are hard to recover value on because they take a while to develop and usually teams want to see NHL reps before trading for one. So it's not just a matter of taking the best player and having an "asset".
he was underwhelming and seemed to have a chip on his shoulder. For whatever reason he did not look like he wanted to be here. The return was more than I expected.
Brian Strait here, we've got Brian Strait here... anyone? We'll take on his salary, you take the player. Brian Strait here! Brian Strait here...
How would moving a high draft pick who hadn't yielded the development the team had hoped (and we should all note that defensemen take longer to develop) in exchange for two picks that are at best still some time away equate to win-now mode? Dal Colle is still another season away and Ho-Sang is 2-3 seasons away.
Win-now as opposed to tear down rebuild. Win-now in the sense that they should have an expectation of competing for the division title again.
Isles are in a sweet spot where they have a ton of good underpriced talent (because of pre-UFA years and JT's very favorable contract). I'd normally think that a team in their position would be using a now-ready former top 5 pick to acquire a vet like Pat Sharp, rather than go back to the drawing board on that asset (with a mid #1 and a #2).
Gotcha. Makes sense. I don't know that the Isles are done with moves yet (Grabner for one) and that they may try to see what shakes out next week with FA. I also feel pretty strongly that much of went on with the Okposo public availability discussion was a motivator to cement him as the top-6 forward some feel we needed. Of course, health will have a lot to say about it, but Kyle is a prideful man and I think he comes out guns blazing this year.
How would moving a high draft pick who hadn't yielded the development the team had hoped (and we should all note that defensemen take longer to develop) in exchange for two picks that are at best still some time away equate to win-now mode? Dal Colle is still another season away and Ho-Sang is 2-3 seasons away.
That said, most reports have Pulock in the 5-6 D slot this season, Hickey will be resigned shortly, and Mayfield showed the toughness in his limited run (coupled with real development in his skills over the past 2 years) that the Isles expected of Reinhart. I really like the moves here by Garth, and I do hope that Reinhart has a good career. To recoup a first rounder (higher than our pick traded to BUF, #21) and a second rounder given the Isles' defensive prospect pipeling bearing fruit, Snow did well.
This center, Barzal, with the skill/playmaking capabilities the draft crew are talking about (let's slow down on Button's "Datsyuk-like" comment, but I'd be thrilled if it happened) is our future replacement for Nielsen if we move him sometime or if his time in NY eventually runs out. Also tells me that Ryan Strome, originally a C, will be kept at wing, where I couldn't be more thrilled should he ride shotgun with JT for a very long time.
When we see the mega extension he's about to sign we'll understand it better. I suspect he's getting north of $6 million per year. I also suspect that the Flames threatened to offer sheet him (maybe thru the agent).
That's been making the rounds for a while. If that's as a replacement for Okposo, no thanks. A year older and with less career production. That's a step back, if looked at as a replacement.
When we see the mega extension he's about to sign we'll understand it better. I suspect he's getting north of $6 million per year. I also suspect that the Flames threatened to offer sheet him (maybe thru the agent).
I have to admit the Flames' D is gonna be pretty stacked.
Amazing trade! How many players in the nhl would fetch a mid 1st and early 2nd? Not many. Great steal Garth!
You're overrating the value these picks IMO. A few years ago #18 netted #20 and a mid 2. So I'd conservatively guess that the two picks EDM gave up couldnt have gotten them any higher that #12-13 in this draft. I'd guess hundreds of players/properties could get you that return. The Rangers have probably 7-8 forwards I wouldnt trade for #16 and a #2.
Love you cocksuckers stroking each other all week long over Talbot, glass and any other shit you could muster up. And nothing goes your way and total silence.
A young top-pairing D got 15, 45 and 52 for Boston. Reinhart, whose development has stagnated, got 16 and 33. I'd say Islanders did well. Not to mention they have Pulock, Mayfield and Pelech in AHL even after moving Griffin
It's possible a 1st rd pick was on the table and that Sather is instead trying to center the return around a roster player. Who knows. It's clear there were a few offers.. we just don't know exactly what or from whom.
You only did good if you take the position that Reinhart was not worth his draft position. In no league do you trade a #4 overall pick for a #16 and a 2nd rounder. Add in the fact that the Isles plowed in the development time on Reinhart whereas they have to wait all over again on these two new picks.
So if Reinhart is not a semi-bust, it's a terrible trade. I dont value guys based on draft position post-draft, so I wont say it's a bad trade. I have no idea whether this is good value for Reinhart circa June 2015.
Obviously we would love for these two picks to become
Datsyuk and Charbonneau. That is about player development and some luck. We will see how that plays out in the future.
But for the present, the Isles have picked 4 first rounders in the last two years. They are keeping a nice stable of young centers in their system so they can make a move for a player to help immediately.
I also believe think they will make a FA move as well.
#28 from Tampa was originally the rangers pick. And we select guy carboneau 2.0
1983
And since 1941 the Islanders have won 4x the cups as the Rangers despite the Rangers having years pre-expansion and the Islanders not arriving until 1972
But what I really can't wait for are some posts about how the isles are building something special! And the players know it! And they want to be here! And the balance of power in NY hockey has shifted!
that the islanders can essentially get two 1st round picks in a deep draft for a prospect that they were really down on. Glad that Snow has the humility to admit a mistake and maximize value.
But what I really can't wait for are some posts about how the isles are building something special! And the players know it! And they want to be here! And the balance of power in NY hockey has shifted!
Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
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Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
I think they should upgrade. Thinking a press conference where Rex Ryan and Prokhorov declare that the Islanders own NY.
like the Zacha pick and Palmieri pick up. That trade basically becomes Jagr for Palmieri. He should be a top 6 fwd for us.
Sadly top 6 forward is not a particularly high burden with us. But I like the Palmieri pick-up. Presumably Zacha stays in juniors this year unless he absolutely blows them away in camp.
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Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
I think they should upgrade. Thinking a press conference where Rex Ryan and Prokhorov declare that the Islanders own NY.
Well, they are coming to Brooklyn after all. Perhaps a billboard is in order?
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Love you cocksuckers stroking each other all week long over Talbot, glass and any other shit you could muster up. And nothing goes your way and total silence.
Do you even contribute on, you know, GIANTS threads? I didn't really understand the whole "suck it, Fish" sentiment before, but I do now. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm sure whatever issues have led to a personality that would prefer to taunt than contribute could not have been good. It's ok Fish. Things get better. Not for the Islanders, per se, but otherwise, yes.
Boston f'ed up big time, 3 straight picks and no Barzal or Connor? Jesus, it's a pretty big consensus among most hardcore hockey fans that boston lost this draft big time, despite the 3 straight picks in the mid 1st.
Isles - Jesus great day 1 of the draft, I can't think of any possibility of how they did any wrong.
Devils - Zacha is a great pick, his first year stats in the CHL isnt' great but he was injured/suspended a couple times, as well as going to the WJC. Kid has size, speed and a great shot and while next year he won't be in NJ(passed maybe the first 5-9 games) kid should be a gamer, is also super happy to be drafted by the Devils. In an AWWW momenet kid has a picture of him and elias with the stanley cup from 03 and he wants elias to sign it now.
Hurricanes - Lucked out with Hanifin dropping to #5, kid is going to be amazing, a do it all at a high level defenseman.
Overall have to say Buffalo and Isles are the winners of day 1. The overhaul by Buffalo is great, Eichel, ROR and Lehner that might be one quick turnaround. Isles getting Barzal that late is a solid pickup, kid is small but he's a Gomez type playmaker with slightly better scoring touch when he focuses less on making his teammates better. The first round has a chance to compete with '03 for a tremendous first round (granted it'll be hard as hell to compete with the skill that came out of that draft)
RE: RE: Good to have some of the fire back on these threads
But what I really can't wait for are some posts about how the isles are building something special! And the players know it! And they want to be here! And the balance of power in NY hockey has shifted!
Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
You know last I checked Arc 0 for your last two at the cup. I have big shoulders, I admitted when I was wrong but you know what the Islanders have won the same amount of cups as the Rangers in the last 20 years. I still believe hockey in the tri state is going to be very enjoyable the next 5 yrs. hopefully there will be a few Islander Ranger playoff series during that time. I will look forward to watching BBI implode when it happens.
Oh and just when you think about going into next year all I will say is TANNER GLASS!!!! Looking forward to next year.
I actually bring nothing to hockey threads but grit.
And have had many Giants discussions over our Giants. But don't you worry about our hockey wars here. We have it under control. Thanks.
After the worst off season a GM could have(until Boston this year) Snow has followed it up with two great drafts and I'm excited to see what he's do next. I think the whole Talbot for a 1st was wishful thinking but a 2nd or a player(jumbo Joe) would be a great haul for a backup goalie. If that's what Eddie Lack returned you'd think Talbot would get more of a return. It's so rare to see the Devils pick this high and considering they only had 1 RW signed the Palmieri trade makes sense.
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OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired the 41st pick and Etem from ANA for the rights to Hagelin, 59th pick and the 179th pick. NYR on the clock
Brett, your GM had your hands tied with the moves he's made in the recent past. At least he's provided the ability to get some potential talent back into your depleted pipeline. Doesn't help in the win-now category - the horses you have better produce - but it helps given what Slats had mortgaged in chasing the shiny.
I thought they could have gotten more for Hagelin or signed him to a shorter term deal and dumped him next off-season. He has a lot of value. Maybe Etem is better than I'm giving credit for, though.
I think Snow has done a great job the past year, OTOH.
Yeah it is pretty amazing to see Snow's turnaround. Not long ago he was considered a joke now he has had a great year and has added some good talent to an already talented team.
He was a mediocre NHL goalie with no pedigree of success as a player, and also being part of the NYI organization that was shaky at best in the initial Wang years, so it was easy to ridicule him.
Contrast that with golden boy Stevie Y who brought championship and leadership qualities as a player to the TB front office, whose competency as a GM wasn't scrutinized, yet inherited a roster already stocked with Stamkos and Hedman, Snow has not only done well in that comparison, but overall in general.
You know I'm biased, but I agree with you that Snow has done a good job...not just drafting, but making trades as well.
I think Snow was absolutely brutal his first few years.
But Leddy, Boychuk, etc. were all good moves. And even though I don't follow prospects closely, the risk/reward with Ho-Sang last year was the type of move I like a lot.
I think Yzerman has done really well in Tampa (MSL trade, Stralman signing), but I think you're right. Snow did a lot more to improve his team last year than Yzerman did, imo,
Garth Snow has done a good job the last couple seasons
fishing trip since Friday 4am, just got back and get caught up.
WTF were the Bruins doing?
I get the Lucic trade, he's just not a first line player. And his toughness value is just not enough to outweigh the lack of skill.
but Hamilton, was a budding superstar. Great two-way defenseman with sneaky offensive ability. Not going to be surprised to see him win a Norris trophy in the next few years.
And Sweeney can simply blame it on the "mess" Chiarelli left but I'm glad they did this and I don't think it had to happen this way.
was a real strange move. Trading Rask now might be wise as they have a very talented goalie Subban in the minors who could he their franchise goaltender.
Very recently it looked like the Bruins would compete for years
what they should have done was dealt Chara to the Islanders, not Boychuck. No idea if the Islanders would have agreed to it, possibly, but Chara had been showing obvious signs of regression since the second half of 2014
Yes Subban isn't ready yet but Jones could hold down the fort for a year or two until he is. Boston isn't a playoff team now after all these moves so they should just deal Rask while they could get a huge payday for him or wait until next offseason when teams need a #1 goalie since most spots have been filled already.
I have debated on whether or not the Devils should try to move Schneider. They could get a big package in return for him after coming off a fantastic season and being locked up long term. IMO it isn't worth it as I think they will be able to compete in the 2016-17 season especially if Zacha is ready.
The Devils really don't have many goaltending prospects with potential to be a legitimate #1. Scott Wedgewood has potential but he is still pretty raw and is at least a year away from playing in the NHL. They did just draft arguably the drafts top goaltender in 18 year old Mackenzie Blackwood with the 42 overall pick. He obviously will take several years to develop but he has a big upside and is 6' 4"
but he's the type of guy a good organization is smart to replace rather than tie up decent money in when they are in a cap crunch. 3rd liner even with what he brings should be something we can replace. I kind of like that trade
I read the Rangers wanted Etem when there were talks of Girardi to the Ducks.
Apparently Etem was a top three prospect for awhile but hasn't put it all together. He scored three goals in twelve games this post season. Maybe not as bad of a deal as it seems at first blush, the Rangers have done well with guys who had disappointing draft statuses (Brassard, Pouliot, for example).
Habs was a great third liner, though. Like I've said before, easy to criticize because his flaws are so obvious (unlike shitty positional players, who often escape criticism despite harming the team more), but he was a very good player.
Nothing wrong with that though. I've been really regretting that Girardi deal. I didn't like it then. I like it a lot less now and it keeps getting worse.
Girardi is one of those guys who gets overrated because he blocks shots, etc. He doesn't suppress shots. He is responsible in his own zone, but is often a huge reason why the team is stuck in its own zone.
New York Rangers get: Emerson Etem, 2015 second-round pick (No. 41 Ryan Gropp)
Anaheim Ducks get: Carl Hagelin, 2015 second-round pick (No. 59), and pick No. 179 in 2015 draft
Anaheim Ducks: B+
Anaheim moved some money out in the trade that sent James Wisniewski to the Hurricanes and that gives them flexibility to sign Hagelin, who is a restricted free agent. Hes going to get a nice raise from the $2.4 million he earned last year, one of the reasons he became expendable in New York although according to an NHL source, talks between the Rangers camp and Hagelin were very minimal before this deal.
This trade is speed for speed, as both players are great skaters.
I think Hagelin is flat out quick from stop to go, said Ducks coach Bruce Boudreau when we chatted after the trade. Emerson is more of a powerful skater.
Hagelin can absolutely fly and is a more consistent player than Etem who had trouble staying in the Anaheim lineup. Hagelin is coming off his second consecutive 17-goal season, although the goal-scoring dried up during the postseason when he had just two goals.
Despite their success the Rangers werent necessarily a great possession team, but Hagelin was on the right side more often than not, with the Rangers controlling 50.4 percent of the even strength shot attempts when he was on the ice.
New York Rangers: B
This trade helped the Rangers move up higher and grab Gropp, who has size and is a good skater, with a pretty complete two-way game.
The wildcard will be if the Rangers can get more consistency out of Etem than the Ducks were able to because he has the skill to be a better pro than weve seen so far in the NHL. He struggled to earn the regular trust of Bruce Boudreau.
Hes got great upside, Boudreau said. Hes still a young guy. Hes got to be consistent. Consistency is the magic word.
Etem has had his moments. There were times during the first-round of the 2013 playoffs against Detroit where his play jumped off the ice. He had three goals in that seven-game series and five points. He followed it up with a seven-goal regular season.
Hes never quite had that breakout year that he shows flashes of having, although his possession numbers are promising (53.1 percent Corsi For last season).
Etem's skating is truly elite and at the top of his game he can be a very dangerous skilled forward, said ESPN Insider prospect analyst Corey Pronman. He's struggled in the pro game with pace and playing off the puck in terms of his positioning and physical game. The former first-round pick has a lot of potential but his development has been up and down over the last few years.
Reinhart to EDM -
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The trade
Edmonton Oilers get: Griffin Reinhart
New York Islanders get: No. 16 overall pick (Mathew Barzal) and No. 33 pick in 2015 NHL draft
New York Islanders: A
Its hard to give the same group that picked Reinhart perhaps too high with the No. 4 overall pick in 2012 too much credit for trading him later for a mid-first-round pick and a second-round pick, but landing Barzal in that spot makes this a great trade for general manager Garth Snow. Barzal slipped past the Bruins' trio of first-rounders and immediately becomes a better prospect than Reinhart.
Snow gets high marks for starting this draft without a single first-round pick and leaving with a pair of them thanks to Snows aggressive work. This is a draft scouts loved, and Snow managed to get back into the mix.
Barzal, selected with the No. 16 pick, was the No. 11 overall ranked skater by NHL Central Scouting.
Edmonton Oilers: B
The Oilers entered this season needing help on defense and get a player in Reinhart who is in the same age range as their young core but a little more developed than a defenseman they would have landed in this draft.
Griffin is a known commodity to the Oilers staff, playing there and coming up through the Oil Kings, said Oilers coach Todd McLellan when we chatted after the trade. He was a proven winner at that point. Size, puck-moving ability and still fairly inexperienced. The ceiling for his maturity is quite high. Were anxious to have him come in and develop. He fits our teams age as we develop and grow. Were excited to have him.
Edmonton paid a steep price considering the Calgary Flames landed a proven top pair defenseman in Dougie Hamilton for a package that wasnt all that far off than the price for Reinhart. That said, GM Peter Chiarelli made a push for Hamilton and it wasnt from a lack of trying. The Bruins certainly werent going to do him any favors.
Reinhart might not have the ceiling we thought when he went No. 4 overall, but ESPN Insider prospect analyst Corey Pronman still likes him as a future NHL regular: Griffin Reinhart should not have been a fourth overall pick, but he is a great prospect who looked very good in the AHL this season. He's a big D who moves well for a player his size, has elite hockey IQ and can move a puck. He's just not a top-end offensive talent and never has been. He remains a top-30 to -45 prospect outside the NHL though and is a huge boost to the Oilers system.
Yeah it's a little disappointing after all the rumors of the potential 1st rders, Yakupov, Hertl, etc.. but at some point we needed to do a little restocking. Looks like they identified that this was an opportunity to compile picks and infuse some more young talent. Never exciting as a fan but it's necessary.
sniping guys in the later rounds that were predicted to go very early to mid second round.
4th rdr Wortherspoon was ranked to go in the low 40's, 3rd rdr Van de Sompel was ranked low 30's.
I can only imagine that we fell in love with the kid we got at #41. Unfathomable that they traded him just to move up in the 2nd round.
I'm generally happy with what we've done taking our shot at a cup recently, and I get our cap crunch. But really, wait until FA starts and then move Hags to a team that struck out.
for a 6th? I know he would have been an RFA, but that's a great deal for CO, wish the Habs could have pulled that off.
He's a top 6 forward,worst case top 9 IMO and can play both specials.
Also think the Avs extended him to a very fair deal. And he hasn't lived up to the hype, but still think he's worthy of that contract, and should have gotten a better return in a trade.
So do you dry your tears with the panties you're wearing, or do you get a fresh pair?
Some pretty wild trades so far.
Why? Better for the league if the rangers win. May you be wrong and not a hard C
Oh, I let your mom wear whatever she wants
Lucic the prick....and he is 27 going on 40
Fits in perfect with the Kings. Strong, big player with a hard accurate shot.
Crazy sequence. Never heard of it.
NHL lol
Outside of wide ranging rumors, what solid offer do we know about?
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So where's the first rounder? Sather may have overplayed his hand
Outside of wide ranging rumors, what solid offer do we know about?
Darren Dreger reported it. It doesn't get much more reliable than Dreger.
Never seen a team go for 60 to 0 so fast in the NHL.
I was less in favor of the Yandle trade but whatever. What's done is done.
Well, Lehner was with a much shittier track record. He's younger but that's it.
Primarily visual observation of his performance.
I actually dont know what his value is because of the upcoming UFA. But he has been very, very good in his 53 starts. .931 save percentage over two seasons is no joke, and he really stepped up when he was forced to be the #1 goalie. We have an offer of multiple #2s according to several reports, and supposedly #31 plus a dman. The problem in getting a #1 seems to be that the teams that really want him are in the middle of the round and not in the mid/late 20s.
#Oilers may move 16th pick.
Keep him and trade him mid season
Im not going to cry in my soup over missed #2s.
Please be true
It sounds that way from some "insider" rumors. There was a rumor he'd even requested a trade last year. This was pretty good value and the truth is they had him and 2 other high picks in the AHL last year and the other 2 just outplayed him.
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What makes you think Talbot is worth a first round pick. 28 years old only 53 starts. He had a good run on a good team.
Well, Lehner was with a much shittier track record. He's younger but that's it.
And he had a concussion
That said, most reports have Pulock in the 5-6 D slot this season, Hickey will be resigned shortly, and Mayfield showed the toughness in his limited run (coupled with real development in his skills over the past 2 years) that the Isles expected of Reinhart. I really like the moves here by Garth, and I do hope that Reinhart has a good career. To recoup a first rounder (higher than our pick traded to BUF, #21) and a second rounder given the Isles' defensive prospect pipeling bearing fruit, Snow did well.
This center, Barzal, with the skill/playmaking capabilities the draft crew are talking about (let's slow down on Button's "Datsyuk-like" comment, but I'd be thrilled if it happened) is our future replacement for Nielsen if we move him sometime or if his time in NY eventually runs out. Also tells me that Ryan Strome, originally a C, will be kept at wing, where I couldn't be more thrilled should he ride shotgun with JT for a very long time.
Win-now as opposed to tear down rebuild. Win-now in the sense that they should have an expectation of competing for the division title again.
Isles are in a sweet spot where they have a ton of good underpriced talent (because of pre-UFA years and JT's very favorable contract). I'd normally think that a team in their position would be using a now-ready former top 5 pick to acquire a vet like Pat Sharp, rather than go back to the drawing board on that asset (with a mid #1 and a #2).
Because Lehner was worth a first rounder...
Brian Strait here, we've got Brian Strait here... anyone? We'll take on his salary, you take the player. Brian Strait here! Brian Strait here...
And Barzal is better than any of the three Boston drafted.
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How would moving a high draft pick who hadn't yielded the development the team had hoped (and we should all note that defensemen take longer to develop) in exchange for two picks that are at best still some time away equate to win-now mode? Dal Colle is still another season away and Ho-Sang is 2-3 seasons away.
Win-now as opposed to tear down rebuild. Win-now in the sense that they should have an expectation of competing for the division title again.
Isles are in a sweet spot where they have a ton of good underpriced talent (because of pre-UFA years and JT's very favorable contract). I'd normally think that a team in their position would be using a now-ready former top 5 pick to acquire a vet like Pat Sharp, rather than go back to the drawing board on that asset (with a mid #1 and a #2).
That said, most reports have Pulock in the 5-6 D slot this season, Hickey will be resigned shortly, and Mayfield showed the toughness in his limited run (coupled with real development in his skills over the past 2 years) that the Isles expected of Reinhart. I really like the moves here by Garth, and I do hope that Reinhart has a good career. To recoup a first rounder (higher than our pick traded to BUF, #21) and a second rounder given the Isles' defensive prospect pipeling bearing fruit, Snow did well.
This center, Barzal, with the skill/playmaking capabilities the draft crew are talking about (let's slow down on Button's "Datsyuk-like" comment, but I'd be thrilled if it happened) is our future replacement for Nielsen if we move him sometime or if his time in NY eventually runs out. Also tells me that Ryan Strome, originally a C, will be kept at wing, where I couldn't be more thrilled should he ride shotgun with JT for a very long time.
Great post.
#lolsathered
You're overrating the value these picks IMO. A few years ago #18 netted #20 and a mid 2. So I'd conservatively guess that the two picks EDM gave up couldnt have gotten them any higher that #12-13 in this draft. I'd guess hundreds of players/properties could get you that return. The Rangers have probably 7-8 forwards I wouldnt trade for #16 and a #2.
Kyle Palmieri to the Devils for #41 and a future pick
So if Reinhart is not a semi-bust, it's a terrible trade. I dont value guys based on draft position post-draft, so I wont say it's a bad trade. I have no idea whether this is good value for Reinhart circa June 2015.
But for the present, the Isles have picked 4 first rounders in the last two years. They are keeping a nice stable of young centers in their system so they can make a move for a player to help immediately.
I also believe think they will make a FA move as well.
And by juices...You mean getting rain in the mouth so you can get fire hosed in the throat.
Just keep suckin it Feeeesh.
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#28 from Tampa was originally the rangers pick. And we select guy carboneau 2.0
1983
And since 1941 the Islanders have won 4x the cups as the Rangers despite the Rangers having years pre-expansion and the Islanders not arriving until 1972
Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
I think they should upgrade. Thinking a press conference where Rex Ryan and Prokhorov declare that the Islanders own NY.
Sadly top 6 forward is not a particularly high burden with us. But I like the Palmieri pick-up. Presumably Zacha stays in juniors this year unless he absolutely blows them away in camp.
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Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
I think they should upgrade. Thinking a press conference where Rex Ryan and Prokhorov declare that the Islanders own NY.
Well, they are coming to Brooklyn after all. Perhaps a billboard is in order?
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Well, they are coming to Brooklyn after all. Perhaps a billboard is in order?
Only if they allow the players on that billboard to go all steampunk. I hear the hipsters go for that big time.
LOL.. I still don't know what the hell "steampunk" even is. Probably better off.
Oh, if only that were true.
Do you even contribute on, you know, GIANTS threads? I didn't really understand the whole "suck it, Fish" sentiment before, but I do now. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm sure whatever issues have led to a personality that would prefer to taunt than contribute could not have been good. It's ok Fish. Things get better. Not for the Islanders, per se, but otherwise, yes.
Isles - Jesus great day 1 of the draft, I can't think of any possibility of how they did any wrong.
Devils - Zacha is a great pick, his first year stats in the CHL isnt' great but he was injured/suspended a couple times, as well as going to the WJC. Kid has size, speed and a great shot and while next year he won't be in NJ(passed maybe the first 5-9 games) kid should be a gamer, is also super happy to be drafted by the Devils. In an AWWW momenet kid has a picture of him and elias with the stanley cup from 03 and he wants elias to sign it now.
Hurricanes - Lucked out with Hanifin dropping to #5, kid is going to be amazing, a do it all at a high level defenseman.
Overall have to say Buffalo and Isles are the winners of day 1. The overhaul by Buffalo is great, Eichel, ROR and Lehner that might be one quick turnaround. Isles getting Barzal that late is a solid pickup, kid is small but he's a Gomez type playmaker with slightly better scoring touch when he focuses less on making his teammates better. The first round has a chance to compete with '03 for a tremendous first round (granted it'll be hard as hell to compete with the skill that came out of that draft)
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But what I really can't wait for are some posts about how the isles are building something special! And the players know it! And they want to be here! And the balance of power in NY hockey has shifted!
Don't worry, we're only about 3 1/2 months away from the annual 12th Man proclamation about the changing of the guard that will be wrong for like the 10th year in a row.
You know last I checked Arc 0 for your last two at the cup. I have big shoulders, I admitted when I was wrong but you know what the Islanders have won the same amount of cups as the Rangers in the last 20 years. I still believe hockey in the tri state is going to be very enjoyable the next 5 yrs. hopefully there will be a few Islander Ranger playoff series during that time. I will look forward to watching BBI implode when it happens.
Oh and just when you think about going into next year all I will say is TANNER GLASS!!!! Looking forward to next year.
And have had many Giants discussions over our Giants. But don't you worry about our hockey wars here. We have it under control. Thanks.
After the worst off season a GM could have(until Boston this year) Snow has followed it up with two great drafts and I'm excited to see what he's do next. I think the whole Talbot for a 1st was wishful thinking but a 2nd or a player(jumbo Joe) would be a great haul for a backup goalie. If that's what Eddie Lack returned you'd think Talbot would get more of a return. It's so rare to see the Devils pick this high and considering they only had 1 RW signed the Palmieri trade makes sense.
Some people have such thin skin. This is hockey.
Thanks yat solid return for the Devils for moving down 6 spots.
OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired the 41st pick and Etem from ANA for the rights to Hagelin, 59th pick and the 179th pick. NYR on the clock
SJ sends Niemi to DAL for pick 193. Since Niemi is a UFA, no guarantee he signs there although DAL is reportedly already working on a contract.
Khudobin from CAR to ANA for D Wisniewski. ANA unloads salary. Interesting to see what happens with Andersen and Gibson.
Rangers send Cam Talbot and pick 209 to Edmonton for 57, 79 and 184
Should have taken the 2 2nds...hindsight is a bitch.
OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired the 62nd and 113th picks from Washington in exchange for the 57th pick
The team is worse today than it was Thursday.
Yeah it is pretty amazing to see Snow's turnaround. Not long ago he was considered a joke now he has had a great year and has added some good talent to an already talented team.
Contrast that with golden boy Stevie Y who brought championship and leadership qualities as a player to the TB front office, whose competency as a GM wasn't scrutinized, yet inherited a roster already stocked with Stamkos and Hedman, Snow has not only done well in that comparison, but overall in general.
You know I'm biased, but I agree with you that Snow has done a good job...not just drafting, but making trades as well.
I think Yzerman has done really well in Tampa (MSL trade, Stralman signing), but I think you're right. Snow did a lot more to improve his team last year than Yzerman did, imo,
WTF were the Bruins doing?
I get the Lucic trade, he's just not a first line player. And his toughness value is just not enough to outweigh the lack of skill.
but Hamilton, was a budding superstar. Great two-way defenseman with sneaky offensive ability. Not going to be surprised to see him win a Norris trophy in the next few years.
And Sweeney can simply blame it on the "mess" Chiarelli left but I'm glad they did this and I don't think it had to happen this way.
And apparently Rask was on the table at some point.
I think that is exactly what they are doing.
Subban isn't ready.
He came up last year, I thought as a showcase, and I'm sure some of it was nerves, but he was brutal.
I think they could have won a cup with Rask, but agree, at this point, might as well deal him if they have his replacement in either Jones or Subban.
what they should have done was dealt Chara to the Islanders, not Boychuck. No idea if the Islanders would have agreed to it, possibly, but Chara had been showing obvious signs of regression since the second half of 2014
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I have debated on whether or not the Devils should try to move Schneider. They could get a big package in return for him after coming off a fantastic season and being locked up long term. IMO it isn't worth it as I think they will be able to compete in the 2016-17 season especially if Zacha is ready.
Yes.
Apparently Etem was a top three prospect for awhile but hasn't put it all together. He scored three goals in twelve games this post season. Maybe not as bad of a deal as it seems at first blush, the Rangers have done well with guys who had disappointing draft statuses (Brassard, Pouliot, for example).
Habs was a great third liner, though. Like I've said before, easy to criticize because his flaws are so obvious (unlike shitty positional players, who often escape criticism despite harming the team more), but he was a very good player.
Hated that deal from day one,
Kreider and Hayes need contracts in 2017.
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Hagelin to Anaheim -
New York Rangers get: Emerson Etem, 2015 second-round pick (No. 41 Ryan Gropp)
Anaheim Ducks get: Carl Hagelin, 2015 second-round pick (No. 59), and pick No. 179 in 2015 draft
Anaheim Ducks: B+
Anaheim moved some money out in the trade that sent James Wisniewski to the Hurricanes and that gives them flexibility to sign Hagelin, who is a restricted free agent. Hes going to get a nice raise from the $2.4 million he earned last year, one of the reasons he became expendable in New York although according to an NHL source, talks between the Rangers camp and Hagelin were very minimal before this deal.
This trade is speed for speed, as both players are great skaters.
I think Hagelin is flat out quick from stop to go, said Ducks coach Bruce Boudreau when we chatted after the trade. Emerson is more of a powerful skater.
Hagelin can absolutely fly and is a more consistent player than Etem who had trouble staying in the Anaheim lineup. Hagelin is coming off his second consecutive 17-goal season, although the goal-scoring dried up during the postseason when he had just two goals.
Despite their success the Rangers werent necessarily a great possession team, but Hagelin was on the right side more often than not, with the Rangers controlling 50.4 percent of the even strength shot attempts when he was on the ice.
New York Rangers: B
This trade helped the Rangers move up higher and grab Gropp, who has size and is a good skater, with a pretty complete two-way game.
The wildcard will be if the Rangers can get more consistency out of Etem than the Ducks were able to because he has the skill to be a better pro than weve seen so far in the NHL. He struggled to earn the regular trust of Bruce Boudreau.
Hes got great upside, Boudreau said. Hes still a young guy. Hes got to be consistent. Consistency is the magic word.
Etem has had his moments. There were times during the first-round of the 2013 playoffs against Detroit where his play jumped off the ice. He had three goals in that seven-game series and five points. He followed it up with a seven-goal regular season.
Hes never quite had that breakout year that he shows flashes of having, although his possession numbers are promising (53.1 percent Corsi For last season).
Etem's skating is truly elite and at the top of his game he can be a very dangerous skilled forward, said ESPN Insider prospect analyst Corey Pronman. He's struggled in the pro game with pace and playing off the puck in terms of his positioning and physical game. The former first-round pick has a lot of potential but his development has been up and down over the last few years.
Reinhart to EDM -
Edmonton Oilers get: Griffin Reinhart
New York Islanders get: No. 16 overall pick (Mathew Barzal) and No. 33 pick in 2015 NHL draft
New York Islanders: A
Its hard to give the same group that picked Reinhart perhaps too high with the No. 4 overall pick in 2012 too much credit for trading him later for a mid-first-round pick and a second-round pick, but landing Barzal in that spot makes this a great trade for general manager Garth Snow. Barzal slipped past the Bruins' trio of first-rounders and immediately becomes a better prospect than Reinhart.
Snow gets high marks for starting this draft without a single first-round pick and leaving with a pair of them thanks to Snows aggressive work. This is a draft scouts loved, and Snow managed to get back into the mix.
Barzal, selected with the No. 16 pick, was the No. 11 overall ranked skater by NHL Central Scouting.
Edmonton Oilers: B
The Oilers entered this season needing help on defense and get a player in Reinhart who is in the same age range as their young core but a little more developed than a defenseman they would have landed in this draft.
Griffin is a known commodity to the Oilers staff, playing there and coming up through the Oil Kings, said Oilers coach Todd McLellan when we chatted after the trade. He was a proven winner at that point. Size, puck-moving ability and still fairly inexperienced. The ceiling for his maturity is quite high. Were anxious to have him come in and develop. He fits our teams age as we develop and grow. Were excited to have him.
Edmonton paid a steep price considering the Calgary Flames landed a proven top pair defenseman in Dougie Hamilton for a package that wasnt all that far off than the price for Reinhart. That said, GM Peter Chiarelli made a push for Hamilton and it wasnt from a lack of trying. The Bruins certainly werent going to do him any favors.
Reinhart might not have the ceiling we thought when he went No. 4 overall, but ESPN Insider prospect analyst Corey Pronman still likes him as a future NHL regular: Griffin Reinhart should not have been a fourth overall pick, but he is a great prospect who looked very good in the AHL this season. He's a big D who moves well for a player his size, has elite hockey IQ and can move a puck. He's just not a top-end offensive talent and never has been. He remains a top-30 to -45 prospect outside the NHL though and is a huge boost to the Oilers system.
4th rdr Wortherspoon was ranked to go in the low 40's, 3rd rdr Van de Sompel was ranked low 30's.
I wish they got Eberele though.
I'm generally happy with what we've done taking our shot at a cup recently, and I get our cap crunch. But really, wait until FA starts and then move Hags to a team that struck out.
He's a top 6 forward,worst case top 9 IMO and can play both specials.
Also think the Avs extended him to a very fair deal. And he hasn't lived up to the hype, but still think he's worthy of that contract, and should have gotten a better return in a trade.