was actually very good before the AS break, and then got hurt in March. For the season he was t2nd on the team in goals and 4th in points, even missing time. Im convinced that his knee never got better and that's why he stunk up the playoffs.
i dont think one freakin game against the Kings exposed anything. The Rangers came out the next night and throttled a hot Ottawa team 7-2 or something along those lines.
lol - "one freakin game" Actually, it was almost the entire Stanley Cup Finals and a left for dead Kings team which complete shut down the Rangers. If you think that "one freaken game" wasn't a blue print you must have missed the entire playoff yet focused one "freaken" 7-2 win against Ottawa.
I assumed your were talking about the March game against the Garden against LAK when they beat us like 4-1 i think it was.
You are going back to June 2014 Finals.... when the Rangers then changed a decent % of the roster... and finished top 3 in scoring the following season??
The point is someone else is going to play in Marty's spot. He had become a one dimensional player as a PP goal scorer(even that disappeared in the playoffs). I'm expecting a significant all ice contribution from his replacement. That represents a potential significant upgrade to the roster.
Sure, going forward but who? The point I'm making, the Rangers wore down teams by rotating four lines in the regular season. In playoffs with heightened awareness and stopping that breakout pass, the Rangers looked like 92 (sometime around then) with Turcotte type players who couldn't bury the biscuit. The couldn't score and often couldn't even get to the net.
He scored some goals primarily on the PP. He was losing puck battles consistently all season. He was useless on the boards.
As far as Semin you're showing how desperate you've become. Pass on that quitter. He's a spineless thief.
Not sure what you are referring to as "desperate" -- I'll assume we are having an adult conversation for now. I'm not in love with Semin either, but guys like that -- like Pouliot in 2014 -- can work well on this team as long as we only have a few of them.
The biggest reason our playoff scoring went down versus the prior postseason -- well aside from that fact that we faced so many back-ups in 2014 -- was that we got nothing from our 3rd and 4th lines this year. Injuries and inexperience, but also Tanner fucking Glass - played big parts in that. To win in the postseason we need to get back that scoring depth. Our 3rd line needs more punch to it.
I assumed your were talking about the March game against the Garden against LAK when they beat us like 4-1 i think it was.
You are going back to June 2014 Finals.... when the Rangers then changed a decent % of the roster... and finished top 3 in scoring the following season??
How the fuck does this make any sense?
I know you really don't understand hockey or the cap but maybe you try learning something rather than F'bombs and drooling in mass confusion
They didn't rotate four lines nearly as much as the year before
It was a real problem especially on defensive zone draws. The team was fatigued and as injuries shortened the bench in the playoffs we ran out of gas. The tank was empty in games 5 and 7 of the ECF.
I assumed your were talking about the March game against the Garden against LAK when they beat us like 4-1 i think it was.
You are going back to June 2014 Finals.... when the Rangers then changed a decent % of the roster... and finished top 3 in scoring the following season??
How the fuck does this make any sense?
Look at who you're talking to. Why engage a troll?
The Kings in June 2014 sent out a blueprint on how to stop us... and then the following year the Rangers set a franchise points record and won a Presidents Trophy.
as some guy who just got PPGs is nonsense. 5 of his 21 goals were on the PP. Brassard was 6 of 19 PPG and 12 PPA). Kreider 7 of 21.
Goal scorers tend to get PPGs. Nash didnt do it much (6 of 42), but Ovie had 25 PPG. Stamkos, JT, and Seguin all had 13. Pavelski had 19. Take away the PP and Claude Giroux doesnt score as much as Carl Hagelin over 3 seasons (in more game). But then you cant just take away the PP. And there's nothing particularly remarkable about MSL's % of PPGs; if anything it is on the low side.
No shocker you miss so much. The breakout pass was eclipsed by the Kings in both the finals and the regular season final meeting between the two teams. Your type and likely fat ass can't connect the dots that outside of the first min against the Pens the breakout was gone and it was the same blue print the Kings used.
you might be right about the knee... and it may still be hurt which is i guess why no one out there, even a desperate Detroit or a team like the Islanders that could probably use his experience... is interested.
But IIRC he stunk a good solid month even before that knee injury. Dont know if he was playing with something then or if the old adage of "when it goes, it goes fast" ... played a part here too
No shocker you miss so much. The breakout pass was eclipsed by the Kings in both the finals and the regular season final meeting between the two teams. Your type and likely fat ass can't connect the dots that outside of the first min against the Pens the breakout was gone and it was the same blue print the Kings used.
The Rangers, the following season after that 'blueprint', set a franchise record in points, finished 3rd in the league in scoring, and had best record in league... despite getting marginally worse in the offseason (Stralman, Pouliot, deterioration of 4th line, etc) which translated into weaker puck possession numbers.
So.... i dont think you're a dumb guy, just for whatever reason, 20% of the time you talk completely out of your ass.
Did the Rangers not score 20 goals in the Tampa series? And before that Kings series, how many goals did we score against Montreal's backup goalie?
This team has struggled to score playoff games for a decade now. It's not some new phenominon the Kings exposed genius.
Man, 2012 really brings something special to these threads.
I think way too much is made of the impact how much hockey these guys have played has. Sure, if they were all series' like the NYI/WAS series, maybe. But they have three and a half months off before training camp and didn't have many physical games this year. Might impact guys like Hayes who are looking to put on 10 pounds of muscle, but I have a hard time believing it has an impact when they are in great shape and have tons of resources at their disposal to maximize their health.
agree, but its the inevitable excuse many will use when the Rangers S% and thus W/L record inevitably reverts towards the mean a bit next year.
Plus as noted CBJ is a lot better, Pittsburgh is better, the Islanders will be more seasoned and thus a bit better, and Washington probably a bit better.
Man must be nice to be MTL & TBL this year... basically can rest up for their 2nd round rematch again next May. Atlantic division will suck.
The point on MSL is if he isn't scoring he's useless.
You think he's retired by accident? He's become completely one dimensional. We're better without him. Period. It became an addition by subtraction situation.
I fully expect a worse regular season. However, there have been six back-to-back President Trophy winners (this includes the Red Wings who won it before and after the lockout) in its 29 year history. A few teams have won it twice in three years, including the 92 and 94 Rangers. So, it's rare for these teams to fall of the face of the earth.
I expect there to be fewer repeats in the Cap world, though, just as I expect fewer President Trophy winners to win the Cup.
Guys, seriously... just ignore him. We have the same issue on the Met threads. When you don't respond to him he just flails in the wind desperately trying to engage anyone he can. When no one responds, he'll resort to quoting other posts and "+1" -ing them in hopes they'll respond. Eventually he just starts talking to himself and burns himself out.
Every single day it's the same thing.
RE: The point on MSL is if he isn't scoring he's useless.
You think he's retired by accident? He's become completely one dimensional. We're better without him. Period. It became an addition by subtraction situation.
He's always been somewhat one-dimensional. He never really pushed puck possession or was great defensively. But he became such a fucking anchor on any line he was on.
RE: The point on MSL is if he isn't scoring he's useless.
You think he's retired by accident? He's become completely one dimensional. We're better without him. Period. It became an addition by subtraction situation.
I agree if he isnt scoring he's useless. Not sure why he retired (was he unwanted, or did he ask for too much $$ or only some teams). I doubt we'll be better off without him if he plays like first half of the season MSL; we will be better off w/o him if he plays like 2015 playoffs MSL. And we were in a terrible cap crunch.
Im not at all upset that he's gone. It's the right move. I just dont want to unnecessarily drag him down in a manner inconsistent with what I saw.
and a black hole in our bottom 6....Glass. One of those problems is gone. I'm still hopeful the other will be gone as well. We can bring a better roster to the ice this season.
Either way I don't want to win the President's Trophy. Key guys like Giradi and Staal should get fewer minutes even if it means fewer points for the club. The same goes for Nash. Home or away means little in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
RE: I really felt like the Rangers controlled the play in the first two
Rounds. Both teams collapsed to limit scoring chances, but I thought the Rangers outplayed both teams the majority of the series despite the scores. I did not think they played to their full potential.
I'm with MAB on trading a guy before Stepan comes due. My first thought on the Klein stuff from Friedman was that the Rangers are playing the media to not look like forced sellers.
And this is a big reason why I think the cap as currently implemented is flawed.
Stephan given O'Reilly definitely deserves that pay day, but is he really worth just 2 mill less than a Malkin? Hell no, he's not even an all star...and that is the problem with this cap....an accomplished player is going to get paid remarkably similar to a super star...which means any team with experienced good but not super players is going to be up against the cap putting them at a disadvantage.
In football, you have a franchise QB, he hogs the cap...if you have a so so QB you do have a lot more cap space and this is the issue.
I am really surprised there has not been hardly any national hockey media attention to this problem.
its not ... that .. bad. But yes, it is harder to keep a deep team together that lacks true superstars, than it is to be in Pittsburgh's shoes. also, Crosby signed a below market deal for reasons i dont completely understand. Kudos to Lepew i guess - probably whined his way into getting that deal done.
This team has struggled to score playoff games for a decade now. It's not some new phenominon the Kings exposed genius.
Ok, you don't see it. The Rangers breakout pass just suddenly disappeared for some unknown reason and that's linked to being unable to score for a decade in the playoffs now. That's MAB and strays.
The hockey fans know. That Kings/Rangers game was like a playoff game. The Kings showed everybody how to shut it down just as they shut the Rangers version the previous playoff year.
Stepan will be making more than Tavares when he signs his deal.
Either way I don't want to win the President's Trophy. Key guys like Giradi and Staal should get fewer minutes even if it means fewer points for the club. The same goes for Nash. Home or away means little in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
+1 - a lot of Rangers have played a lot of hockey the past two years. Asking for three straight long seasons is a lot to ask IMO.
I just hope they aren't dragging like the Kings next season and find themselves fighting for a long while just to get into the playoffs.
Guys, seriously... just ignore him. We have the same issue on the Met threads. When you don't respond to him he just flails in the wind desperately trying to engage anyone he can. When no one responds, he'll resort to quoting other posts and "+1" -ing them in hopes they'll respond. Eventually he just starts talking to himself and burns himself out.
Every single day it's the same thing.
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Either way I don't want to win the President's Trophy. Key guys like Giradi and Staal should get fewer minutes even if it means fewer points for the club. The same goes for Nash. Home or away means little in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
but would have been over the cap the past 2 seasons which may have meant no deep playoff runs. Granted we'd be in much better shape going forward but....
#itsjustmath
Buffalo is looking for D- help. They'll probably snag Oduya but i'd like to see us pawn off trade Girardi to them please
Girardi or Staal for Tyler Ennis... prove to us you belong here, Gorton
Or it forces them to pick Stralman over Girardi/Staal
And not give Tanner Glass a deal. Stralman is a million less than Girardi (and reportedly only wanted $4M to sign), Lindberg over Glass last year saves $825K. I made the team better and saved you $200K.
I go to games in Hartford and catch some on TV here. He was a work in progress that started to click some down the stretch. His game really elevated in the post season. That's not to say a cheaper and better alternative to Glass couldn't be had. It could almost by default seeing how bad he was and the overpay on his deal both in $$$ and length.
I could have contributed as much as Glass this season.
My point, one that many others have hammered away at, is that Sather's short-term nature again harms the team. By that time we had three season's of data that this 23 (at the time) year old was a good player that would likely get even better. The $1.7M of cap space was do-able and would not have significantly hurt the team. Stepan wasn't a one year wonder, or even an inconsistent one. He was coming off a near PPG season. These bridge deals are dumb for guys like him.
lol - "one freakin game" Actually, it was almost the entire Stanley Cup Finals and a left for dead Kings team which complete shut down the Rangers. If you think that "one freaken game" wasn't a blue print you must have missed the entire playoff yet focused one "freaken" 7-2 win against Ottawa.
As far as Semin you're showing how desperate you've become. Pass on that quitter. He's a spineless thief.
You are going back to June 2014 Finals.... when the Rangers then changed a decent % of the roster... and finished top 3 in scoring the following season??
How the fuck does this make any sense?
Sure, going forward but who? The point I'm making, the Rangers wore down teams by rotating four lines in the regular season. In playoffs with heightened awareness and stopping that breakout pass, the Rangers looked like 92 (sometime around then) with Turcotte type players who couldn't bury the biscuit. The couldn't score and often couldn't even get to the net.
As far as Semin you're showing how desperate you've become. Pass on that quitter. He's a spineless thief.
Not sure what you are referring to as "desperate" -- I'll assume we are having an adult conversation for now. I'm not in love with Semin either, but guys like that -- like Pouliot in 2014 -- can work well on this team as long as we only have a few of them.
The biggest reason our playoff scoring went down versus the prior postseason -- well aside from that fact that we faced so many back-ups in 2014 -- was that we got nothing from our 3rd and 4th lines this year. Injuries and inexperience, but also Tanner fucking Glass - played big parts in that. To win in the postseason we need to get back that scoring depth. Our 3rd line needs more punch to it.
You are going back to June 2014 Finals.... when the Rangers then changed a decent % of the roster... and finished top 3 in scoring the following season??
How the fuck does this make any sense?
I know you really don't understand hockey or the cap but maybe you try learning something rather than F'bombs and drooling in mass confusion
You are going back to June 2014 Finals.... when the Rangers then changed a decent % of the roster... and finished top 3 in scoring the following season??
How the fuck does this make any sense?
Look at who you're talking to. Why engage a troll?
+1
He struggled all season.
Look at who you're talking to. Why engage a troll?
Hey, fu Greg and your fat ass
The Kings in June 2014 sent out a blueprint on how to stop us... and then the following year the Rangers set a franchise points record and won a Presidents Trophy.
You can't make this stuff up.
Goal scorers tend to get PPGs. Nash didnt do it much (6 of 42), but Ovie had 25 PPG. Stamkos, JT, and Seguin all had 13. Pavelski had 19. Take away the PP and Claude Giroux doesnt score as much as Carl Hagelin over 3 seasons (in more game). But then you cant just take away the PP. And there's nothing particularly remarkable about MSL's % of PPGs; if anything it is on the low side.
But IIRC he stunk a good solid month even before that knee injury. Dont know if he was playing with something then or if the old adage of "when it goes, it goes fast" ... played a part here too
The Rangers, the following season after that 'blueprint', set a franchise record in points, finished 3rd in the league in scoring, and had best record in league... despite getting marginally worse in the offseason (Stralman, Pouliot, deterioration of 4th line, etc) which translated into weaker puck possession numbers.
So.... i dont think you're a dumb guy, just for whatever reason, 20% of the time you talk completely out of your ass.
Did the Rangers not score 20 goals in the Tampa series? And before that Kings series, how many goals did we score against Montreal's backup goalie?
This team has struggled to score playoff games for a decade now. It's not some new phenominon the Kings exposed genius.
Fucking brutal.
Plus as noted CBJ is a lot better, Pittsburgh is better, the Islanders will be more seasoned and thus a bit better, and Washington probably a bit better.
Man must be nice to be MTL & TBL this year... basically can rest up for their 2nd round rematch again next May. Atlantic division will suck.
I expect there to be fewer repeats in the Cap world, though, just as I expect fewer President Trophy winners to win the Cup.
Every single day it's the same thing.
He's always been somewhat one-dimensional. He never really pushed puck possession or was great defensively. But he became such a fucking anchor on any line he was on.
I agree if he isnt scoring he's useless. Not sure why he retired (was he unwanted, or did he ask for too much $$ or only some teams). I doubt we'll be better off without him if he plays like first half of the season MSL; we will be better off w/o him if he plays like 2015 playoffs MSL. And we were in a terrible cap crunch.
Im not at all upset that he's gone. It's the right move. I just dont want to unnecessarily drag him down in a manner inconsistent with what I saw.
Either way I don't want to win the President's Trophy. Key guys like Giradi and Staal should get fewer minutes even if it means fewer points for the club. The same goes for Nash. Home or away means little in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
I'm with MAB on trading a guy before Stepan comes due. My first thought on the Klein stuff from Friedman was that the Rangers are playing the media to not look like forced sellers.
And this is a big reason why I think the cap as currently implemented is flawed.
Stephan given O'Reilly definitely deserves that pay day, but is he really worth just 2 mill less than a Malkin? Hell no, he's not even an all star...and that is the problem with this cap....an accomplished player is going to get paid remarkably similar to a super star...which means any team with experienced good but not super players is going to be up against the cap putting them at a disadvantage.
In football, you have a franchise QB, he hogs the cap...if you have a so so QB you do have a lot more cap space and this is the issue.
I am really surprised there has not been hardly any national hockey media attention to this problem.
How you stop indirectly responding to practically every one of my posts Crosby? Don't let the Flying puck hit you mouth.
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This team has struggled to score playoff games for a decade now. It's not some new phenominon the Kings exposed genius.
Ok, you don't see it. The Rangers breakout pass just suddenly disappeared for some unknown reason and that's linked to being unable to score for a decade in the playoffs now. That's MAB and strays.
The hockey fans know. That Kings/Rangers game was like a playoff game. The Kings showed everybody how to shut it down just as they shut the Rangers version the previous playoff year.
That contract is such a steal.
Either way I don't want to win the President's Trophy. Key guys like Giradi and Staal should get fewer minutes even if it means fewer points for the club. The same goes for Nash. Home or away means little in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
+1 - a lot of Rangers have played a lot of hockey the past two years. Asking for three straight long seasons is a lot to ask IMO.
I just hope they aren't dragging like the Kings next season and find themselves fighting for a long while just to get into the playoffs.
Every single day it's the same thing.
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Either way I don't want to win the President's Trophy. Key guys like Giradi and Staal should get fewer minutes even if it means fewer points for the club. The same goes for Nash. Home or away means little in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
+1
+1
feel like piling on here.
Sather sucks.
#itsjustmath
Buffalo is looking for D- help. They'll probably snag Oduya but i'd like to see us pawn off trade Girardi to them please
Girardi or Staal for Tyler Ennis... prove to us you belong here, Gorton
Dynasty in the making. Franchise doubles its Cup count by the end of the decade.
Instead, window shut and Lundqvist is Cup-less.
we both know Glen and AV would have made room for #15 no matter what. You cant put a price on Mr Intangibles (6 minutes TOI in game 7, -1 anyway)
Thanks for the insight on Lindberg, Torrag.
And if you combine their cap hit, it's still not as much as Glass'
#Sather'd
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