Those skills are so overrated. Miller and Kreider are guys who can hit. It's much more important to be strong on the forecheck than 'finish a check'. I don't know Stahlberg's game that well, but he's a couple inches bigger than Glass.
it's not idiotic. Physical play is part of the game and Glass did disrupt the opponents offense. Glass going out and hitting turned the tide of emotion on multiple occasions.
Granted, I'd prefer physical play with skill which Glass doesn't have yet the physical play of Washington clearly beat up many Rangers wheels going forward and disassembled the Isles.
A few hitters go a long way. It's not figure skating.
I posted this before but Matt Martin became my favorite non-Hab, non American player very quickly in that series.
that dude is like a heat seeking missile. If he had better hands he'd be a better Lucic, but he doesn't. He's the epitome of a checking forward. you could see the Cap D with their heads on a swivel as they went into the corner.
So, in part I'm disagreeing with Brett, you need that role on the team, but yeah ideally some portion of your top 6 wingers posses that skill set and you don't need a one-dimensional player on the roster when that's all he can do.
I'd love Martin on my team. Physicality sets the tone.
Hockey has changed. Icing guys who provide nothing but physicality is a waste of a slot and it is being phased out. You don't need an "enforcer" anymore. Size is good, hitting is good. But if the player is an anchor who can't provide a lick of offense and is constantly puck chasing in our zone, there's barely anything to gain.
Replacing Glass with a skilled hockey player makes the Rangers a better team.
It's idiotic to sacrifice skill for physicality (sitting Miller over Glass, etc.). Guys like Miller, Tom Wilson, and a couple of the Islander bottom six guys are what teams should be seeking - physical forecheckers who can capitalize on the forecheck and help drive possession. There should be zero place on a roster for Tanner Glass's - physical guys devoid of skill.
2012, I never recall Glass disrupting anyone's offense. He was given offensive zone starts to shield his shitty play and the puck would inevitably wind up in our zone because he is such a shitty player. He completely drags down any line he's on. Moore's possession numbers drop from 49.6% apart from Glass to 44.7% with him. Glass apart from Moore was 39.8% (all CF%). He is just a fucking brutal player.
Doesn't have the skill to really put up points, but isn't a sled possession-wise. I like those guys on the fourth line a lot.
My wording was harsh, because I agree with everything you wrote (except fuck the Islanders, obviously).
Glass just has no place.
Agree, Glass has nowhere near the spark of Martin, and he wouldn't see the ice on my team.
I'd rather have Dale Wiese taking a regular shift (and I know you are aware of his limitations), and Wiese is a punching bag, with a goofy face, but he's not afraid to mix it up and has developed a knack for the big goal.
came from the Ranger system, and I thought the plan was to build the fourth line around him. He had big goals for the Wolfpack, too. I think he had some injuries and they gave up on him.
But remember, when you're hitting someone, your team doesn't have the puck. A player who can control the puck >>> a big hitter.
Of course, it's excellent if you can have players who can do both.
the point isn't just the hit, the physical hit takes a toll throughout a game throughout a series, throughout a season. plus when dished out as violently as Martin dishes them out (or Lucic or guys like that) it absolutely 100% has an impact on the D and causes them to rush (even forwards - I love violent forecheck hits).
like I said there is little place for a one dimensional player who can only hit, but if you have a guy who hits and does other things close to adequately he's got a spot on my team.
(1) It's idiotic to sacrifice skill for physicality (sitting Miller over Glass, etc.). Guys like Miller, Tom Wilson, and a couple of the Islander bottom six guys are what teams should be seeking - physical forecheckers who can capitalize on the forecheck and help drive possession.
(2) 2012, I never recall Glass disrupting anyone's offense. He was given offensive zone starts to shield his shitty play and the puck would inevitably wind up in our zone because he is such a shitty player. He completely drags down any line he's on. Moore's possession numbers drop from 49.6% apart from Glass to 44.7% with him. Glass apart from Moore was 39.8% (all CF%). He is just a fucking brutal player.
1. Agreed. You don't need Stu Grimmson. You do need some physical presence though. Washington was huge and couldn't really score but their size closed down the lanes in which some Rangers smurfs found themselves skating around the ice but nowhere near the net.
Speed does kill and you have to do something to slow it down. Injured or not, the Rangers tried countering the Lightning speed by slowing their game down to a crawl. The fast Rangers were slow against the Lightning. A few players who could take the body like Glass causes turnovers and maybe the Rangers transition game wouldn't have been so obsolete.
2. Glass helped against the Caps. He was one of few who hit back and kept the Caps a little honest. A close look at this Rangers team it looked like AV's Canucks vs the Bruins. The Rangers won the series but it was pretty evident there wasn't much left for Tampa.
On several occasions you mentioned Lucic and McIlrath. I mentioned them too. Neither are really fast skaters but we know what they bring and we know what the Rangers need. Granted, Lucic can score and we're hoping Dylan can skate well enough for opponents to skate with their heads up.
Back to Tampa, the triplets glided into the Rangers end with potential obstruction their only concern (which is fearless). That's a problem.
But remember, when you're hitting someone, your team doesn't have the puck. A player who can control the puck >>> a big hitter.
Of course, it's excellent if you can have players who can do both.
Hitting causes turnovers though. The Bruins were outclassed by the Canucks for the first two games of their Stanley Cup final. When the Bruins took the game to the boards and hit, the Canucks had no answers. The hitting neutralized the speed that was killing them.
2012, we just disagree on Glass's contribution to the team - I do think he was better during the post-season (the possession numbers disagree, but I thought he looked a lot better).
My big concern about McIlrath is his discipline. He was in the box for nine minutes in a game when the Rangers were missing three or four dman. You can rotate forwards and not miss too much if a guy is in the box for fighting - harder to do with only 5 defenseman. But I'm really intrigued about his potential presence and hope other fans ignore the price we paid to get him and focus on his play.
I hope Hayes improves his skating. He stands up way too tall (which helps control the puck), but he doesn't get low enough in transition.
On a side not Brett may appreciate (or not) I was ejected from my game last night half way through the first period.
guy two handed me in the ankle right near where I broke my foot (pissed off he missed a goal) and then I went to go after him slashed my stick out of my hand. I lost it. I went after him and Bertuzzi'd him and wouldn't stop pummeling him until the refs and both teams pulled me off.
I got a 5-game suspension, but more importantly scared the hell out of myself. I need anger management counseling. I can't explain how mad I was.
His whole season was awful. He was a bit less awful in the playoffs. The contract he received is even worse than his game. For that money the organization should and could have acquired a player that can do more. The regression of our 4th line(Dom the exception) was a major factor in the attrition of our other lines over the course of the season and playofss. It manifested with devastating effect at the critical junctures in games 5 and 7 of the ECF. The tank was empty.
Derek Stepan can’t use Ryan O’Reilly’s contract as an arbitration comparable, because it takes effect when the Sabre becomes unrestricted. UFA deals cannot be used in those hearings for RFAs. But the Rangers know it is absolutely a factor in any long-term negotiation. I’ve heard they’ve been asked about Kevin Klein, but don’t want to go that route. He’s signed for three more years at a very reasonable $2.9 million — not easy to replace at that cost. In a perfect world, they’d want to take one more run with this group, but Stepan’s number probably determines that. I don’t think they want to move Keith Yandle, but what if they’re really stuck?
Assuming it's true, there are a few possibilities: Gorton doesn't like Yandle and hated the trade, Gorton wants to recoup significant assets by trading Yandle - likely take a small hit this year or to provide optionality further out, the Rangers are full of shit and trying to drive up the market value for Klein, or they're trying to dump another defenseman (Girardi).
I hate to see Yandle go. I think he can make a huge difference.
If expansion money was part of Hockey Related Revenue, teams would be spending like your newly-divorced uncle going through his mid-life crisis. But it isn’t, so the upcoming windfall won’t raise the ceiling.
Klein is a solid second-pair guy. I always maintained that. Â
unless they can move Girardi or Staal. Anaheim could really use a guy like Girardi, but it concerns me that he was not part of the Hagelin deal so they just may not be interested.
The longer this waits the more concerned i get that McIlraith will be let go for peanuts. But why sign Diaz if you planned to keep all 6 defenders?
I'd say try to trade D Boyle (if he'd waive his NMC), but that wouldnt solve the Yandle problem for next offseason.
Annoys me that ROR is going to impact Stepan - its one bad, overpay contract... there have been multiples of this more reasonable deals recently signed.. i know he's not a C, but including Saad at $6mm/yr
at least not while 7 mil is 9-10% of your cap. Just can't take over a game to be worth that.
He's worth $6mm/year IMO. 6.5mm would be painful, a tough call.... if he demands 7mm hopefully they explore trade options for that 'bigger, tougher' C that can crash the net, etc.
ROR's deal will be inadmissible to Step's negotiations so it doesn't really matter so much what he got. Different circumstances.
It would pain me to have to go all the way up to 7 per on Stepan but I think you still have to do it if that's what it comes to. I think he's underrated because he's not a flashy skater or an elite skill guy. We would be a much worse team without him.
Who is a 'legitimate' #1 center (in those fans eyes) more than a cap move. The theory is that he's worth the extra couple hundred thousand but Stepan isn't (which I don't agree with - I do think it makes the team better). I doubt Boston would go for it.
Granted, I'd prefer physical play with skill which Glass doesn't have yet the physical play of Washington clearly beat up many Rangers wheels going forward and disassembled the Isles.
A few hitters go a long way. It's not figure skating.
both rosters were finishing checks.
I posted this before but Matt Martin became my favorite non-Hab, non American player very quickly in that series.
that dude is like a heat seeking missile. If he had better hands he'd be a better Lucic, but he doesn't. He's the epitome of a checking forward. you could see the Cap D with their heads on a swivel as they went into the corner.
So, in part I'm disagreeing with Brett, you need that role on the team, but yeah ideally some portion of your top 6 wingers posses that skill set and you don't need a one-dimensional player on the roster when that's all he can do.
I'd love Martin on my team. Physicality sets the tone.
Replacing Glass with a skilled hockey player makes the Rangers a better team.
2012, I never recall Glass disrupting anyone's offense. He was given offensive zone starts to shield his shitty play and the puck would inevitably wind up in our zone because he is such a shitty player. He completely drags down any line he's on. Moore's possession numbers drop from 49.6% apart from Glass to 44.7% with him. Glass apart from Moore was 39.8% (all CF%). He is just a fucking brutal player.
My wording was harsh, because I agree with everything you wrote (except fuck the Islanders, obviously).
Glass just has no place.
My wording was harsh, because I agree with everything you wrote (except fuck the Islanders, obviously).
Glass just has no place.
Agree, Glass has nowhere near the spark of Martin, and he wouldn't see the ice on my team.
I'd rather have Dale Wiese taking a regular shift (and I know you are aware of his limitations), and Wiese is a punching bag, with a goofy face, but he's not afraid to mix it up and has developed a knack for the big goal.
Of course, it's excellent if you can have players who can do both.
Of course, it's excellent if you can have players who can do both.
the point isn't just the hit, the physical hit takes a toll throughout a game throughout a series, throughout a season. plus when dished out as violently as Martin dishes them out (or Lucic or guys like that) it absolutely 100% has an impact on the D and causes them to rush (even forwards - I love violent forecheck hits).
like I said there is little place for a one dimensional player who can only hit, but if you have a guy who hits and does other things close to adequately he's got a spot on my team.
(1) It's idiotic to sacrifice skill for physicality (sitting Miller over Glass, etc.). Guys like Miller, Tom Wilson, and a couple of the Islander bottom six guys are what teams should be seeking - physical forecheckers who can capitalize on the forecheck and help drive possession.
(2) 2012, I never recall Glass disrupting anyone's offense. He was given offensive zone starts to shield his shitty play and the puck would inevitably wind up in our zone because he is such a shitty player. He completely drags down any line he's on. Moore's possession numbers drop from 49.6% apart from Glass to 44.7% with him. Glass apart from Moore was 39.8% (all CF%). He is just a fucking brutal player.
1. Agreed. You don't need Stu Grimmson. You do need some physical presence though. Washington was huge and couldn't really score but their size closed down the lanes in which some Rangers smurfs found themselves skating around the ice but nowhere near the net.
Speed does kill and you have to do something to slow it down. Injured or not, the Rangers tried countering the Lightning speed by slowing their game down to a crawl. The fast Rangers were slow against the Lightning. A few players who could take the body like Glass causes turnovers and maybe the Rangers transition game wouldn't have been so obsolete.
2. Glass helped against the Caps. He was one of few who hit back and kept the Caps a little honest. A close look at this Rangers team it looked like AV's Canucks vs the Bruins. The Rangers won the series but it was pretty evident there wasn't much left for Tampa.
On several occasions you mentioned Lucic and McIlrath. I mentioned them too. Neither are really fast skaters but we know what they bring and we know what the Rangers need. Granted, Lucic can score and we're hoping Dylan can skate well enough for opponents to skate with their heads up.
Back to Tampa, the triplets glided into the Rangers end with potential obstruction their only concern (which is fearless). That's a problem.
Of course, it's excellent if you can have players who can do both.
Hitting causes turnovers though. The Bruins were outclassed by the Canucks for the first two games of their Stanley Cup final. When the Bruins took the game to the boards and hit, the Canucks had no answers. The hitting neutralized the speed that was killing them.
My big concern about McIlrath is his discipline. He was in the box for nine minutes in a game when the Rangers were missing three or four dman. You can rotate forwards and not miss too much if a guy is in the box for fighting - harder to do with only 5 defenseman. But I'm really intrigued about his potential presence and hope other fans ignore the price we paid to get him and focus on his play.
He seems like a more skillful Brian Boyle. His frame helps him on reach and shielding the puck, but he's not a proper power forward.
On a side not Brett may appreciate (or not) I was ejected from my game last night half way through the first period.
guy two handed me in the ankle right near where I broke my foot (pissed off he missed a goal) and then I went to go after him slashed my stick out of my hand. I lost it. I went after him and Bertuzzi'd him and wouldn't stop pummeling him until the refs and both teams pulled me off.
I got a 5-game suspension, but more importantly scared the hell out of myself. I need anger management counseling. I can't explain how mad I was.
No reason to two-hand guys in a men's league games. I don't mind the hooking/stick-grabbing, but can't stand the slew-foots or slashes.
Elliotte Friedman says that Klein’s remaining contract, three-years at $2.9 million per season, would not be easy to replace for the Rangers. (CBC)
Assuming it's true, there are a few possibilities: Gorton doesn't like Yandle and hated the trade, Gorton wants to recoup significant assets by trading Yandle - likely take a small hit this year or to provide optionality further out, the Rangers are full of shit and trying to drive up the market value for Klein, or they're trying to dump another defenseman (Girardi).
I hate to see Yandle go. I think he can make a huge difference.
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The longer this waits the more concerned i get that McIlraith will be let go for peanuts. But why sign Diaz if you planned to keep all 6 defenders?
I'd say try to trade D Boyle (if he'd waive his NMC), but that wouldnt solve the Yandle problem for next offseason.
Annoys me that ROR is going to impact Stepan - its one bad, overpay contract... there have been multiples of this more reasonable deals recently signed.. i know he's not a C, but including Saad at $6mm/yr
He's worth $6mm/year IMO. 6.5mm would be painful, a tough call.... if he demands 7mm hopefully they explore trade options for that 'bigger, tougher' C that can crash the net, etc.
It would pain me to have to go all the way up to 7 per on Stepan but I think you still have to do it if that's what it comes to. I think he's underrated because he's not a flashy skater or an elite skill guy. We would be a much worse team without him.
I think Stepan is worth $7M. He's a legitimate #1 center. I unfortunately just don't think the Rangers can afford to pay him that.
Girardi's contract really sucks. I don't see how the Rangers re-sign Yandle.
He's also 5 years older than Stepan. Makes little sense.
I think Stepan for Backes, which Brooks suggested, would be dumb, though.