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DanMetroMan : 6/27/2015 1:04 pm
- West still viewed as "very likely"

- Wade-2. The Knicks (Chance: 10 percent). You hear the Knicks name bandied about some because of their approximate $27 million in cap space and Wade's friendship with Carmelo Anthony. But, again, would a rebuilding team sink big money into an aging Wade? The Knicks would be more apt to go after Detroit free agent Greg Monroe, 25. But if they don't get him, Wade could be a short-term stop-gap and provide some sizzle in Madison Square Garden.


Raissman-Collins’ critique of Jackson was a spool of cotton candy compared to the tirade Adam Schein launched on SXM radio. This got personal. He called all Jackson’s soliloquies “cringe inducing,” adding that even one more day of Jax as Knicks prez will be disastrous for the franchise.

“Phil Jackson needs to resign,” Schein demanded on SXM’s Mad Dog Radio. “He has been an horrendous executive.”

Schein appeared to soften a tad when he described Jackson as “absolutely tone deaf,” “clueless” and “irresponsible.”

“Phil Jackson cashes a check from Jim Dolan,” Schein said. “Other than that, he does nothing.” On the contrary, being a condescending jerk takes enormous energy. It’s a lot more than doing “nothing.” Please, give Phil credit for something.

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DanMetroMan : 6/27/2015 1:07 pm : link
Here's a new wrinkle in the Sacramento Kings mess: While vice president Vlade Divac insisted their franchise player wasn't going anywhere before Thursday's NBA Draft, owner Vivek Ranadive gave DeMarcus Cousins' agent Dan Fegan approval to try to put together a trade with the Los Angeles Lakers before the draft, according to USA Today's Sam Amick:

When Fegan tried to orchestrate a trade that would send Cousins to the Los Angeles Lakers in the days leading up to the draft – one that Kings owner Vivek Ranadive gave him permission to pursue when he made it clear that Cousins wanted out – it wouldn't have shocked anyone if Divac decided to do the deal just to quiet this storm. Instead, he's trying to fix a fractured situation on his terms.
My  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2015 1:11 pm : link
brothers best friend tutored Hernangomez in English this year lol
Adam Schein is such a fucking loser.  
arcarsenal : 6/27/2015 1:50 pm : link
Does anyone seriously care about anything this guy thinks?
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 6/27/2015 1:59 pm : link
actually pretty pumped about the future of this team after draft night and recent news.

I think the next steps are to bring in West (2/14), Monroe (5/80), and a FA SG (Danny Green?) (5/40)

That should use up just about all of our cap space this year, but we'd have a pretty decent team:

Monroe
West
Melo
Green
Calderon

Zinger
Galloway
Grant

And then another 25 mil in cap space next season.
Isn't  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2015 2:03 pm : link
max to Monroe 4 for 60 unless it's sign and trade? What are they giving Detroit in a sign and trade? nothing to give them
RE: Isn't  
Jon in NYC : 6/27/2015 2:03 pm : link
In comment 12346077 DanMetroMan said:
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max to Monroe 4 for 60 unless it's sign and trade? What are they giving Detroit in a sign and trade? nothing to give them


I didn't know that. That's even better.
There are floral arrangements in living rooms  
mfsd : 6/27/2015 2:14 pm : link
all over the country that offer better sports insight than Adam schein
RE: I'm  
Lopes1984 : 6/27/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12346073 Jon in NYC said:
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actually pretty pumped about the future of this team after draft night and recent news.

I think the next steps are to bring in West (2/14), Monroe (5/80), and a FA SG (Danny Green?) (5/40)

That should use up just about all of our cap space this year, but we'd have a pretty decent team:

Monroe
West
Melo
Green
Calderon

Zinger
Galloway
Grant

And then another 25 mil in cap space next season.


That is definitely a good start, and I think if they add the right pieces to fill out the roster they should be able to compete for the 8th seed in the East. Hopefully Grant is able to overtake Calderon in the starting line up, because I think the combination of West, Melo, and Calderon is going to be a train wreck defensively.

What is the word on Thanasis Antetokoumpo?  
Lopes1984 : 6/27/2015 2:20 pm : link
Is he going to be on the roster this year? From some of the things I have read he has a lot of potential to be a plus defender which is something this team could definitely use.
I'd love that offseason, Jon.  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2015 2:21 pm : link
Not a huge Monroe fan - but it's not like his max deal is crippling. West and Calderon can be veteran placeholders for the rooks, and we'll see who we can get our hands on in 2016.
Would be thrilled with that offseason...  
Italianju : 6/27/2015 2:27 pm : link
but i dont think the money adds up unless you move calderon. If it did that would be a great start. Both Monroe and Green are very young and west would just be a vet stop gap who adds toughness and defense.

This team really just needs to add a couple good starters in FA and it will be easy to feel a lot better about next offseason. Assuming melo is healthy and it seems like he will be he is still one of the better players in this league, i feel like people forget that sometimes.
Lots of rumors floating  
Torrag : 6/27/2015 2:32 pm : link
Saw a report Deandre Jordan is meeting with four teams. Clipper/Lakers/Mavs/Bucks. Kind of disappointing we aren't on that list. I know it would be a lonshot but the Bucks get to pitch him and we don't?
I think Danny Green will command  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 3:00 pm : link
$10 mil a year easily, especially if Wes Matthewss is asking for max. He's 3 years young, a better defender and and not coming off an injury.
RE: Lots of rumors floating  
DpeeFor2 : 6/27/2015 3:02 pm : link
In comment 12346100 Torrag said:
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Saw a report Deandre Jordan is meeting with four teams. Clipper/Lakers/Mavs/Bucks. Kind of disappointing we aren't on that list. I know it would be a lonshot but the Bucks get to pitch him and we don't?
There's a report that already said he's meeting with the Knicks first
Would prefer DeAndre Jordan  
Ash_3 : 6/27/2015 3:05 pm : link
the biggest improvement this team could make outside of getting a quality PG (which hopefully Grant becomes) is to get some quality rim protection. Jordan's an anchor.
DJ has been on my wishlist all offseason.  
arcarsenal : 6/27/2015 3:20 pm : link
Porzi may be able to protect the rim in a couple years but he'll have to develop that. We desperately need a guy who can do it now and DJ would be perfect. Fish has already said that they view it as a major need. I hope they find a way to get it done
Knicks signing West tells me  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 3:54 pm : link
1 they knew they were going to draft Porzingis and wanted West as a mentor/stop gap....

2. they have an idea who they are getting in free agency, Monroe or Jordan, both would be good fits next to west and Porzingis...

3. West feels Knicks will be a playoff team next year, why give up money at 35 to go to a team that is rebuilding?

4. If i am the Knicks i target Jordan and Green...both young and both good fits next to Melo and Porzingis...
plus when Melo is done you have good young core pieces to build around...

Calderon/Grant
Green/Galloway
Melo/Early
West/Porzingis
Jordan
The media vitriol towards Phil makes no sense  
Deej : 6/27/2015 4:14 pm : link
Im not in love with the job he's doing, but my criticism is mostly on the medium importance stuff. Essentially, I think the JR Smith and Chandler trades were for sending away guys at their rock bottom value and were to free cap space that wasnt essential. For example, trade Shump for something (late #1?). Keep JR for this year or if we really need his money, trade him at that point.

But the Daily News piece is nuts. It's just a personal attack. Knicks are thinking smarter and longer term than at any time in like 20 years. Even more so than the prep for the summer of LeBron (that was a one time short term opportunity to bid on tons of great UFAs; and we gave away ZBO for nothing).
I really do not get the Phil hate at all.  
robbieballs2003 : 6/27/2015 4:23 pm : link
People assume we just dumped players like Chandler. Does anybody remember how he was playing prior to being traded? He was fucking awful. People want to criticize him for signing Melo? He is an asset. We need assets. With the jump up in the salary cap his deal will look decent and he will have trade value if we choose to go that route. Sometimes the hardest thing to do is change the culture of an organization morsel than dealing with the cap. I wish people would just shut the fuck up and let him do his job. Give him three years and see where we are at. I couldn't believe the hate he got for us losing all year long saying we owed it to the season ticket holders to put a better team on the court. Those same people criticized them for winning a couple of games at the end of the year and potentially costing us a better draft pick. Which is it? The world we live in is all about news NOW. Everybody needs something to talk about and there is no accountability. We really don't know what a winning team looks like anymore. He does. Give him a chance.

This isn't toward any poster here. This is just the media in general.
Chris Sheridan hates Phil jackson  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 4:23 pm : link
basically saying the Knicks are doomed with Phil jackson and they will never make the playoffs as long as he is in charge and he has failed Miserably...

Funny since the off season just began and everyone thought he had a great draft....
The vitriol/hate towards Phil Jackson is solely because  
PhiPsi125 : 6/27/2015 4:42 pm : link
he is in NY. This is really just more hate for NY from the media. NY is just the whipping boy for the media.

Phil Jackson wouldn't be getting nearly as much attention if he was the GM of Portland or Orlando or Milwaukee...or even LA (at least negative attention).

Phil gets an insane amount of illogical hate because he's the GM of NY. Plain and simple.
I  
GatorNation : 6/27/2015 4:46 pm : link
Think the jury is very much out on Jackson and to claim otherwise is ridiculous. The only real issue I have with him right now is how hands off he has appeared. Not showing up for the lottery or traveling with the team for road games are a couple examples. I woukd have liked to get a better return for Chandler but he, JR. and Schump were likely the guys he referred to as not buying into the system so they had to go and we gained cap space. The THR trade for Grant was a good one to me and who knows on the Zinger but it wasn't like he was a reach or anything. What he does in FA the next 2 years will tell if he was good or bad IMO
How is he hands off?  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 4:58 pm : link
Can you name the other GMs that travel with their team?

Guy moved to New York....he was at every prospect workout, he went to vegas for Poringis workout, he went to Kentucky, Duke, and Ohio state games to recruit....He went to Chicago for combine...

What more do you want from the guy?
There's some serious scouting he  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 5:25 pm : link
missed out on the draft lottery. Did you see the bucks and Kings owners daughters?
RE: How is he hands off?  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/27/2015 5:29 pm : link
In comment 12346201 nygiants16 said:
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Can you name the other GMs that travel with their team?

Guy moved to New York....he was at every prospect workout, he went to vegas for Poringis workout, he went to Kentucky, Duke, and Ohio state games to recruit....He went to Chicago for combine...

What more do you want from the guy?

That's an insane amount  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2015 5:43 pm : link
of championship rings.
I'm really sold on Kyle O'Quinn  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 6:24 pm : link
he was often paired with Vucevic to mask his defensive deficiencies.

Career per 36 minute numbers: 13 ppg, 10.5 RPG, 2.6 apg, 2.1 bpg and 1.1 spg

Shooting wise he is a career 48% shooter from 10-16 feet and 40% from 16 feet to the 3 point line (which isn't efficient but it's great range for a defensive big. He shot 46% from that range as a rookie).

The O'quinn/Vucevic experiment didn't quite pan out because they both like shooting from around the top of the key, so offensively it didn't work out. I think he's a perfect match with Monroe because Monroe operates from the low post and O'Quinn operated from the high post. Defensively, it allows Monroe to guard centers because O'quinn can guard either position. And not to mention he is from NY too for what it's worth. 24 years old, can make a living as a decent starter for 6-7 more years at the least.

I don't think he'd be as costly as Robin Lopez or Omer Asik. He is restricted but Orlando has a large stable of bigs. With the Hezonja pick, Aaron Gordon is slotted to play more PF. They also have Vucevic, Dedmon, Frye and Nicholson who all play PF or Center as well. Even Harkless can play the PF slot. And that's not even factoring in if they choose to match Tobias Harris for a max deal. I think we'd have more than enough money to offer him after a Monroe max.
Also  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 6:27 pm : link
he shot 27% from 3 after not hitting a 3 before this season. If this is a sign of something he is improving now, a stretch big that can pass, defend and rebound is something you wanna get it on.
Danny Green is the guy I most want for the Knicks.  
Ira : 6/27/2015 6:35 pm : link
I'd also like to see us come up with a center who will protect the rim and get rebounds.
I don't get it ether....  
Svengali : 6/27/2015 9:10 pm : link
I've been a Knicks fan for a long time and watch the games even when they suck and this is the first time they actually have a plan in place. Not just a quick fix solution.
I couldn't agree with some of you guys more. I am one fan that is excited for the future. Let's play some good basketball first. That would be a good start wouldn't it?
RE: That's an insane amount  
BeerFridge : 6/27/2015 9:39 pm : link
In comment 12346239 bceagle05 said:
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of championship rings.


He also coached the Albany Patroons to a CBA championship. does that count?
The more games on watch of Porzingis  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 9:40 pm : link
the more i am impressed...The kid has infinite range, he can put the ball down and drive...he comes off screens like a guard...

Defensively he gets lost sometimes but because of his length he recovers well, rebounding instincts are not there yet and he gets bodied sometimes when he is in position but his long arms help...

He ha ssome post up moves but he was usually guarded by someone smaller than him because he played on the perimeter a lot, In the NBA he is going to give big guys trouble because they are not going to want to come out on him...

Once his defense get better a 4-5 with Melo would be deadly...can not do that yet because Knicks would get killed defensively...

a guy like Jordan would be the absolutely perfect fit next to him and Melo and it would be nothing like Melo Stat Chandler....
Phil went to go watch Russell play at Ohio State  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2015 9:49 pm : link
He's hands off because he didn't want to go to Jersey for the Lottery?
I'm just waiting on "someone close to Melo" to complain about not  
Mason : 6/27/2015 9:51 pm : link
going after guys like a Mozgov or a Wilson Chandler to help him so I can just say the circle is now complete in my Vader voice. And you just know Melo is already on this line of thinking.
It's so easy for media members  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 10:00 pm : link
to compare him to a white euro guy like Dirk, Bargs or Pau, but As an athlete he is completely different from all of those guys. Frankly, he reminds me more of Giannis in terms of an athlete And frame. Giannis obviously can get away with a lack of strength but he makes a living off of posting up shooter guys despite his weight concerns. And he has certainly added a good amount of muscle tone since he's been drafted (he came in at 205).

Ny16, do you think he can guard SFs in certain matchups early in his career? Like obviously not against the Lebron's and KDs of the nba, but there are certain SFs that aren't really a threat off the dribble and I don't think he'd be the absolute worst defender in terms of lateral quickness amongst SFs. Like I think you can roll him out at the 3 if his matchup is like PJ Tucker, MKG, mike dunleavy, Caroll, Shump etc.

He can be a real threat against spot up shooters that can't take advantage of big man guarding them off the dribble.
RE: It's so easy for media members  
Ash_3 : 6/27/2015 10:06 pm : link
In comment 12346375 giantsfan44ab said:
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to compare him to a white euro guy like Dirk, Bargs or Pau, but As an athlete he is completely different from all of those guys. Frankly, he reminds me more of Giannis in terms of an athlete And frame. Giannis obviously can get away with a lack of strength but he makes a living off of posting up shooter guys despite his weight concerns. And he has certainly added a good amount of muscle tone since he's been drafted (he came in at 205).

Ny16, do you think he can guard SFs in certain matchups early in his career? Like obviously not against the Lebron's and KDs of the nba, but there are certain SFs that aren't really a threat off the dribble and I don't think he'd be the absolute worst defender in terms of lateral quickness amongst SFs. Like I think you can roll him out at the 3 if his matchup is like PJ Tucker, MKG, mike dunleavy, Caroll, Shump etc.

He can be a real threat against spot up shooters that can't take advantage of big man guarding them off the dribble.


I think Giannis is a better run and jump athlete and it's unlikely Porz ends up as good a rebounder.

Really do think the Dirk comparison works if Porz can put on strength. Dirk could run screens and hit threes off curls and Porz seems to have similar skills. Hope they do.
RE: It's so easy for media members  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12346375 giantsfan44ab said:
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Ny16, do you think he can guard SFs in certain matchups early in his career? Like obviously not against the Lebron's and KDs of the nba, but there are certain SFs that aren't really a threat off the dribble and I don't think he'd be the absolute worst defender in terms of lateral quickness amongst SFs. Like I think you can roll him out at the 3 if his matchup is like PJ Tucker, MKG, mike dunleavy, Caroll, Shump etc.

He can be a real threat against spot up shooters that can't take advantage of big man guarding them off the dribble.


I dont think it would really be an advantage for the Knicks because he is not going to go into the paint just yet and post up...I think his advantage these first couple of years is going to be play the 4 and pulling bigs out...he is going to spread the floor so much for Melo and if they do sign Jordan the pick and roll, he is going to get a lot of his points off of kick outs early in his career...

Once he gets bigger if he is at the 5 it is going to give team fits because they are going to want to go small and he will be able to post them up and if they go big he can pull them outside...

So him getting bigger will be great for his game...right now he is going to be a shooter and spread the floor...

Guarding 3's from what i saw so far is going to be tough, in the game i am watching now, Mardy Collins yes that Mardy Collins slow as shit guard drove by him, he used his length to block the shot BUT he got blown by...a couple of times that happened to him and used his length to help him recover...
True  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 10:15 pm : link
but Giannis was criticized for not being very explosive, and if you watch him closely he doesn't really explode unless he's getting a running start in the open floor. A lot of his finishes look sort of lazy to an extent that he relies more on his touch and his wingspan than his athleticism to get the ball in the hoop.

He certainly is a better rebounder than KP. It's kind of strange that KP is a big that plays like a guard in that his greatest skills is shooting, coming off screens, turnaround, etc. and Giannis is more of a post up player that has a good baby hook around the rim.
Mardy Collins  
Ash_3 : 6/27/2015 10:15 pm : link
former Knick!
Where can you get these games of him?  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 10:17 pm : link
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In every interview I have seen so far with Porzingis says everything  
steve in ky : 6/27/2015 10:27 pm : link
any fan could possibly want to hear. My first impression is that I really like this kid. His attitude is refreshing in this day and age of athletes.

I was disappointed how they booed him when drafted. I hope the NY fans embrace him.

Quote:
Q: What do you want Knicks fans to say about you when they watch you play?
A: That this guy belongs here. … He loves the organization, he loves the team, so we accept him and we’re gonna cheer for him from now on.

Steve Serby Q&A with Kris Porzingis - ( New Window )
RE: Where can you get these games of him?  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 10:27 pm : link
In comment 12346384 giantsfan44ab said:
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They are on youtube just search Baloncesto Sevilla
Thats A Big Zinger  
Reeses Pieces : 6/27/2015 10:35 pm : link
towers over Towns, Stein and Co.

RE: It's so easy for media members  
AnotherGiantsFan : 6/27/2015 10:37 pm : link
In comment 12346375 giantsfan44ab said:
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to compare him to a white euro guy like Dirk, Bargs or Pau, but As an athlete he is completely different from all of those guys. Frankly, he reminds me more of Giannis in terms of an athlete And frame. Giannis obviously can get away with a lack of strength but he makes a living off of posting up shooter guys despite his weight concerns. And he has certainly added a good amount of muscle tone since he's been drafted (he came in at 205).

Ny16, do you think he can guard SFs in certain matchups early in his career? Like obviously not against the Lebron's and KDs of the nba, but there are certain SFs that aren't really a threat off the dribble and I don't think he'd be the absolute worst defender in terms of lateral quickness amongst SFs. Like I think you can roll him out at the 3 if his matchup is like PJ Tucker, MKG, mike dunleavy, Caroll, Shump etc.

He can be a real threat against spot up shooters that can't take advantage of big man guarding them off the dribble.


Must be easy for Phil Jackson too because he said out right that he sees a lot of Pau Gasol in him.

I don't see any of Giannis in the extremely limited viewing I've had on Zinger.

Sometimes the white on white comparisons work. No need to kill your brain trying to think of a black player to compare him to.
LOL mardy Collins  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2015 10:38 pm : link
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Giannis is a freak athlete. I don't think the comp fits  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2015 10:41 pm : link
And even though KP was putting it on the floor and attacking in Spain, I'm not sold on that being possible in the NBA. He's a nice athlete for his size, but I'm not sure I would call him explosive or anything.
RE: LOL mardy Collins  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 10:47 pm : link
In comment 12346392 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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and he is still absolutely awful..

One thing i notice about these games when porzingis gets hot they do not keep feeding him..game i am watching now 3rd quarter has it 2 3's and a couple of layups and then next couple of possessions they ignore him...just interesting
also Clarence gaines basically laughing  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2015 10:48 pm : link
at the media thinking they have sources within the Knicks

Clarence Gaines ‏@ClarenceGaines2 9m9 minutes ago
I can't tell you how many times I've laughed over the last month regarding media sources & draft coverage. SMH! The madness continues.
RE: Giannis is a freak athlete. I don't think the comp fits  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12346396 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And even though KP was putting it on the floor and attacking in Spain, I'm not sold on that being possible in the NBA. He's a nice athlete for his size, but I'm not sure I would call him explosive or anything.


Well I'd hope to an extent he'd be able to put it on the floor, because otherwise he is just going to be a spot up shooter. He doesn't have creative handles but I think he will be certainly capable one day of scoring on slow footed bigs on line drives on mismatches.

Yeah, I wouldn't call him explosive, but he does elevate off the ground quickly on cuts to the rim, even though it may not be that high, which I think to be a really underrated factor. I'm not sure if anyone else noticed during the Finals, but Tristan Thompson is the complete opposite of this. When he goes up to score, he takes a really long time gathering with the ball in his hands. Idk if its simply the difference of being a 2 foot versus 1 foot jumper, but I seriously think TT is severely limited as an offensive threat because he gets fouled easily because of how long it takes for him to gather for a dunk. its made him passive and defers the ball many times because of it
Wow I'm sorry if that last comment  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2015 11:10 pm : link
is a hard read. Have a headache and just re-read it. Please bare with the poor grammar choice.
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