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NFT: Knicks Chat: Melo calls Zinger a steal

DanMetroMan : 6/27/2015 1:04 pm
- West still viewed as "very likely"

- Wade-2. The Knicks (Chance: 10 percent). You hear the Knicks name bandied about some because of their approximate $27 million in cap space and Wade's friendship with Carmelo Anthony. But, again, would a rebuilding team sink big money into an aging Wade? The Knicks would be more apt to go after Detroit free agent Greg Monroe, 25. But if they don't get him, Wade could be a short-term stop-gap and provide some sizzle in Madison Square Garden.


Raissman-Collins’ critique of Jackson was a spool of cotton candy compared to the tirade Adam Schein launched on SXM radio. This got personal. He called all Jackson’s soliloquies “cringe inducing,” adding that even one more day of Jax as Knicks prez will be disastrous for the franchise.

“Phil Jackson needs to resign,” Schein demanded on SXM’s Mad Dog Radio. “He has been an horrendous executive.”

Schein appeared to soften a tad when he described Jackson as “absolutely tone deaf,” “clueless” and “irresponsible.”

“Phil Jackson cashes a check from Jim Dolan,” Schein said. “Other than that, he does nothing.” On the contrary, being a condescending jerk takes enormous energy. It’s a lot more than doing “nothing.” Please, give Phil credit for something.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/raissma-moves-change-image-phil-jackson-knicks-article-1.2272073
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Not a big fan of West  
giantsfan44ab : 6/28/2015 12:10 pm : link
but I can understand if they want his locker room presence. I wanna see some decent amount of young guys at the end of the bench. Knicks management has been able to pull out undrafted role players like Lin, Prigs, and Galloway out of their collective asses these last few years and I'm hoping we can get another one this year. I like Ndoue's game from his highlight tape. Skilled, athletic and a 7'6" wingspan.
I don't quite understand the resistance to Smith...  
manh george : 6/28/2015 1:20 pm : link
vs. Aldrich. Smith makes more sense in the triangle. Maybe they go after Adrich as well.

However, there are several articles around suggesting they want Smith and Shved back. Getting Shved would mean they are done at pg, and have a couple of guys, including Galloway, who can play some two--unless they get a taker for Calderon, which would ironically mean more need at the 2 with the swing guards needed at the 1.

They will still need to find a starter at the two, and more bigs including a near-term starter at the 4 or 5, assuming Monroe takes one of the starting big slots but the other is open. I still believe the rumors about West are just that, unless he takes a huge cut.
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I'm hoping  
Jon in NYC : 6/28/2015 1:24 pm : link
Zinger can get up to 250-260 sooner rather than later. Dirk right now is according to ESPN is 7' 245. If Zinger is already at 230, you would think and extra 20-30 lbs would be doable under the right workout routine.

Imagine a 7'2 250 lb beast with a 38' inch vertical and 3pt shooting ability.

Dude is Dirk mixed with Dwight Howard.
part of what makes him  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/28/2015 1:46 pm : link
so good is his agility though. It's why the Bargnani or Darko comps don't make sense right now, those two guys were sluggish. The last thing you want is for the Zinger to get so big that he becomes too slow to guard stretch 4s.
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nygiants16 : 6/28/2015 1:49 pm : link
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 16s17 seconds ago
Hearing that the Knicks -- besides presumed free agent targets such as L-Aldridge/G-Monroe/D-Carroll -- will get a meeting with David West

He doesnt make it seem like West is a lock but does confirm interest
RE: I'm hoping  
giantsfan44ab : 6/28/2015 2:20 pm : link
In comment 12346679 Jon in NYC said:
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Zinger can get up to 250-260 sooner rather than later. Dirk right now is according to ESPN is 7' 245. If Zinger is already at 230, you would think and extra 20-30 lbs would be doable under the right workout routine.

Imagine a 7'2 250 lb beast with a 38' inch vertical and 3pt shooting ability.

Dude is Dirk mixed with Dwight Howard.


Haha thats getting me pretty excited to see him. Given his enormous wingspan, I think he'd be able to put on 20-30 pounds in less than 2 years and I don't think thats a stretch. Heck, I went from 140 to 180 in a matter of 2 years with inconsistent workout routines and not ideal nutrition. I'm still relatively weak so I'm probably not the best example compared to professional athletes that have the greatest trainers in the country (lol).

And I get the "fit" thing wit Jason Smith but at some point, being a bad basketball player and negative on the floor should outweigh the whole "perfect for the triangle" mantra. Alrich isn't a fit but he can block shots and get rebounds. He's a plus defender which is something you'd want out of your 4th big. What does Jason Smith really provide that KP doesn't?
RE: RE: Don't understand why teams were scared of Cliff  
hitdog42 : 6/28/2015 4:19 pm : link
He's not the stud he was projected as from college... but he certainly warranted being drafted in the 2nd round- he has talent and length, and an NBA body. he has a motor, can get position, he looks to me like he can be a serviceable bench big... which would be a victory from a UDFA. His situation at Kansas was always odd- likely a lot his own doing.
RE: I'm hoping  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/28/2015 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12346679 Jon in NYC said:
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Dude is Dirk mixed with Dwight Howard.


Deandre Jordan  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2015 8:58 pm : link
says he will meet with Clippers, Mavs, Lakers and Knicks...

Wants a decision by july 3rd or 4th
I know odds are slim but I really, really hope we can land DJ.  
arcarsenal : 6/28/2015 9:01 pm : link
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Lmao.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2015 9:18 pm : link
Now there a rumor the Knicks will pursue Lin.Alex Kennedy reporting.
The only  
Jon in NYC : 6/28/2015 9:25 pm : link
issue I have with Jordan, is that the triangle needs someone who can operate out of the low post. He 100% cannot do that.
apparently Okafor isn't very happy about being in Philly  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2015 9:42 pm : link
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Sometimes you just get a gut feeling on a player from little things  
Torrag : 6/28/2015 10:26 pm : link
Call it a hunch, an inkling, intuition, whatever. I think Okafor is going to under achieve and possibly be a big pain in the ass for his franchise.
I imagine  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/28/2015 10:39 pm : link
after Okafor realized that he wasn't going to be the #1 pick that everyone had anointed him for his entire high school senior year and 75% of last season, that he then talked himself into the idea that he was going to be the next great franchise center for the Lakers.

I'm sure the idea that he went 3, to the 76ers, who are in the situation they are in, must have been such a drop off, which would explain any "disappointment."

Again, I think this is just rumor and story to make a story.
RE: Sometimes you just get a gut feeling on a player from little things  
giantsfan44ab : 6/28/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12347207 Torrag said:
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Call it a hunch, an inkling, intuition, whatever. I think Okafor is going to under achieve and possibly be a big pain in the ass for his franchise.


Someone was going to get salty about not being in LA. There were questions about Okafor's passion to be great and being in Philly doesn't help those going away. He's probably the worst guy out of the top 3 to end up in Philly.
Yeah  
manh george : 6/28/2015 10:42 pm : link
Okafor is a spoiled 19 year old kid. Whether he will be a spoiled 22 year old kid, after he sees the adulation he can get if he does bust is ass to improve, is anyone's guess.
RE: I imagine  
Jon in NYC : 6/28/2015 10:44 pm : link
In comment 12347218 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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after Okafor realized that he wasn't going to be the #1 pick that everyone had anointed him for his entire high school senior year and 75% of last season, that he then talked himself into the idea that he was going to be the next great franchise center for the Lakers.

I'm sure the idea that he went 3, to the 76ers, who are in the situation they are in, must have been such a drop off, which would explain any "disappointment."

Again, I think this is just rumor and story to make a story.


Sounds very plausible. The Sixers have to trade either he or Embiid sooner rather than later. They just have to.
How much  
TommyWiseau : 6/29/2015 12:28 am : link
Cap space do we actually have? I read 27 mil but I am not sure how true that number is. Is it realistic for us to sign a trio of say Greg Monroe, Koufos and Danny Green? Greg Monroe's max is what 16 mil?
Meanwhile...  
manh george : 6/29/2015 1:39 am : link
there is now word that Monroe wants to go to a team already on the upswing (link).

Jackson may have created a game theory problem for himself: in order to get to a position of having enough cap room, he needed to blow the team up. And in blowing the team up and then going with a down-the-road player like Porzingis in the draft, he may have made the team unattractive as a landing spot for a high-level talent for the coming year.

I'm not saying Porzingis was the wrong choice, just that with the team not having a pick next year, Jackson needs to play this perfectly AND get lucky in order to end up with a decently high-level team after two years of cap space this summer and next.

We will see. Maybe he needs to go with short contracts and hope to get lucky later on.
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Monroe said that...  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 6:52 am : link
but he also has the knicks on his short list. I think that is the advantage of having a Melo on your team is that these guys think they can team up with a guy like him an be a contender.

He also said that he wants to sign a 2 year deal with an opt out after one. I have no issues with these guys maxing out their value, but this would not be good for the knicks. Assuming he is solid this year he will def opt out and we will be stuck paying him more money, if he doesnt opt out that means he played pretty poorly. Im sure there would be a team willing to offer him the full max on the 1 year deal, but id much rather get him for say 12 mill if he wants this opt out after the first year.
RE: How much  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 7:18 am : link
In comment 12347273 TommyWiseau said:
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Cap space do we actually have? I read 27 mil but I am not sure how true that number is. Is it realistic for us to sign a trio of say Greg Monroe, Koufos and Danny Green? Greg Monroe's max is what 16 mil?


No, if we don't get Calderon we can only get 2 out of the 3.
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