“The quarterbacks always get done,” Condon said. “And the Giants are not a skittish team. So it’s not one of those things where they get nervous or they jump around or anything like that. You know you’re going to go in and it’s going to get done. I’m sure at the appropriate time it’ll happen.”
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eli has been a good qb at best not a franchise qb,the giants got fleeced with the money they payed him the last 6 yrs. remember its a business,the investment has been a big disappointment from a monetary perspective. lots of uneven play,cringe worthy losses and failed expectations. going fwd the giants want to have flexibility with their payroll,so its not a slam dunk a blank check will be the out come.
Is Tom Brady a Franchise QB? what do you think he would have done behind this OL in 2013?
Unfortunately, qb's get all the blame and praise for what their teams do.....Eli has been the greatest qb the Giants ever had.....statistically, he is not one of the best, when compared to the likes of his brother, Brees, Brady, etc........but you give him a half decent OL, some weapons, and a decent defense, and he can take you places....unfortunately, Reese can't seem to get that OL, that Eli has needed for the last 4 years....he won a SB, somehow, with the crap that was in front of him...since then, the crap has really fermented....
right,defend eli to the death.if he is so wonderful how come he has no extension,should be eazy peazy, if your analysis is so one sided?
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Eli's led the team to two Super Bowl championships, was named Super Bowl MVP both times, and hasn't missed a game since he was named the starter. He's only 34, which is hardly over the hill these days. He's finally playing in a much more QB-friendly offense, and had one of his best seasons, statistically, last year. What more do you want?
much much better consistency and not head scratching plays that keep showing up,i am sure the giant decision makers would like that too.
With all of the accolades, with all of the "consistency," Aaron Rogers hasn't been back to a second Super Bowl (and you could argue that he lucked into his first one when the Giants got screwed). Drew Brees hasn't sniffed another one, and neither has Joe Flacco. The aforementioned Dalton and Ryan haven't even been close. Big Brother has an abysmal post-season record. Rivers? Don't make me laugh.
Eli Manning has been a Godsend to the Giants organization. To argue otherwise is incomprehensible to me, so we'll just have to agree to disagree about it.
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In comment 12346624 Klaatu said:
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Eli's led the team to two Super Bowl championships, was named Super Bowl MVP both times, and hasn't missed a game since he was named the starter. He's only 34, which is hardly over the hill these days. He's finally playing in a much more QB-friendly offense, and had one of his best seasons, statistically, last year. What more do you want?
much much better consistency and not head scratching plays that keep showing up,i am sure the giant decision makers would like that too.
With all of the accolades, with all of the "consistency," Aaron Rogers hasn't been back to a second Super Bowl (and you could argue that he lucked into his first one when the Giants got screwed). Drew Brees hasn't sniffed another one, and neither has Joe Flacco. The aforementioned Dalton and Ryan haven't even been close. Big Brother has an abysmal post-season record. Rivers? Don't make me laugh.
Eli Manning has been a Godsend to the Giants organization. To argue otherwise is incomprehensible to me, so we'll just have to agree to disagree about it.
i concur sir,the answer has many sides of the coin. for me ,eli still keeps me wonderin and hoping for more.
no, i do not,its not the plays he makes,its the plays he does not make. check the tape.
eli is always the hero when things go good, and it every one elses fault when they do not.
5 playoff seasons
3 one and done in offseason
2 superbowl
I love me the Eli, but let's hold off on giving him anything he wants.
the 2 rings are fabulous. let's jump through hoops for joy.
the fewer playoff appearances than not (in a fairly easy to make it if you're any good league) makes me say let's evaluate the situation before getting too fixated on those two rings. If you're going to shell out huge dollars for a QB, he needs to at least be a QB who gets gets you into the offseason more often than not. Eli hasn't been taking us there or beyond the first round the majority of his career.
I love the rings. but at some point you have to realize that way too often a 'meaningful' December has been an outside chance of making the playoffs but mathematically still in it.
[quote] 11 seasons
5 playoff seasons
3 one and done in offseason
2 superbowl
I love me the Eli, but let's hold off on giving him anything he wants.
the 2 rings are fabulous. let's jump through hoops for joy.
the fewer playoff appearances than not (in a fairly easy to make it if you're any good league) makes me say let's evaluate the situation before getting too fixated on those two rings. If you're going to shell out huge dollars for a QB, he needs to at least be a QB who gets gets you into the offseason more often than not. Eli hasn't been taking us there or beyond the first round the majority of his career.
I love the rings. but at some point you have to realize that way too often a 'meaningful' December has been an outside chance of making the playoffs but mathematically still in it. [/quote
that looks like a qb who is not elite. if he was,the money would be easy.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
and eli has to stop being an TO machine.
check the fumbles,he has very poor with that too.
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we played musical fucking chairs when it comes to DCs. Spags isn't the only DC i respected during TCs tenure. I didn't like Lewis, Fewell and Sheridan.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
and eli has to stop being an TO machine.
I expect good things in this new system. People don't understand that you are going to get turnovers in the Gilbride system. You have bad decisions, WR option routes, and then play calling which doesn't do anything to help the QB. When you add that alll together you are going to have turnovers.
Let's see how he does in this new system. He had a great first year. I expect him to build off of that and have another great year. Sometimes I wonder how options of him would have developed if we had this Ben M. system first for 10 years rather than the Hufangel and Gilbride as our OCs.
But that can't be changed. So I think our fan base and non Giants fans will get to see how ELi can do in this system. I expect him to take another step this year.
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In comment 12346805 AnishPatel said:
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we played musical fucking chairs when it comes to DCs. Spags isn't the only DC i respected during TCs tenure. I didn't like Lewis, Fewell and Sheridan.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
and eli has to stop being an TO machine.
I expect good things in this new system. People don't understand that you are going to get turnovers in the Gilbride system. You have bad decisions, WR option routes, and then play calling which doesn't do anything to help the QB. When you add that alll together you are going to have turnovers.
Let's see how he does in this new system. He had a great first year. I expect him to build off of that and have another great year. Sometimes I wonder how options of him would have developed if we had this Ben M. system first for 10 years rather than the Hufangel and Gilbride as our OCs.
But that can't be changed. So I think our fan base and non Giants fans will get to see how ELi can do in this system. I expect him to take another step this year. [/quote
system,system,always poor eli, with the system.stop with excuses,win freakin games.
That's the system too. Good or bad.
[quote] he and Eli are very similar. Who plays better depends on who has the better supporting cast. Eli however is durable and not one hint of bad behavior ever. [/qoute
check the record,W/L TD/INT comp%,big ben is a pro bowler,eli,not really.
Call me when Big Ben wins his first Super Bowl MVP award.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything without a defense ranked in the top five.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything with the bottom-ranked running game in the league.
Playoffs, W-L, Winning Percentage:
Eli: 8-3, .727.
Ben: 10-5, .666.
Nothing against Big Ben. I liked him in 2004 and I like him now. But I'll still take Eli any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Not a franchise QB LMFAO..
Eli Manning has won 2 SB's with much less of a supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Ben or Wilson..
You sir are either a troll or a moron..
[quote] When Big Ben throws two TDs in the 4th Quarter to win a Super Bowl.
Call me when Big Ben wins his first Super Bowl MVP award.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything without a defense ranked in the top five.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything with the bottom-ranked running game in the league.
Playoffs, W-L, Winning Percentage:
Eli: 8-3, .727.
Ben: 10-5, .666.
Nothing against Big Ben. I liked him in 2004 and I like him now. But I'll still take Eli any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [/quote
ben will be a HOF,thats why he just got the contract
eli jury is still out,maybe he will have to buy a ticket to see his brother
Not a franchise QB LMFAO..
Eli Manning has won 2 SB's with much less of a supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Ben or Wilson..
You sir are either a troll or a moron..
Could be a Steelers fan, although he didn't mention Big Ben until someone else did.
Might not be a garden-variety troll, though. My guess is he's a fan of some other NFC East team. He's certainly not a Giants fan.
Not a franchise QB LMFAO..
Eli Manning has won 2 SB's with much less of a supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Ben or Wilson..
You sir are either a troll or a moron.
really,i am a moron cause i think eli is good at best, the moron club is a pretty busy place. what games have you been watching?(check his record against winning teams the last three years)
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sundaynone either doesn't watch the games or has no clue about football..
Not a franchise QB LMFAO..
Eli Manning has won 2 SB's with much less of a supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Ben or Wilson..
You sir are either a troll or a moron..
Could be a Steelers fan, although he didn't mention Big Ben until someone else did.
Might not be a garden-variety troll, though. My guess is he's a fan of some other NFC East team. He's certainly not a Giants fan.
I think he's more like a sleeper cell troll...he creates his handle 1/15 then lies in wait till the time is right..
you are right,wish bbi had disqus for comments.
The dreaded Stealth Troll. You never see them coming.
[quote] When Big Ben throws two TDs in the 4th Quarter to win a Super Bowl.
Call me when Big Ben wins his first Super Bowl MVP award.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything without a defense ranked in the top five.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything with the bottom-ranked running game in the league.
Playoffs, W-L, Winning Percentage:
Eli: 8-3, .727.
Ben: 10-5, .666.
Nothing against Big Ben. I liked him in 2004 and I like him now. But I'll still take Eli any day of the week and twice on Sundays. [/quote
ben will be a HOF,thats why he just got the contract
eli jury is still out,maybe he will have to buy a ticket to see his brother
You are an idiot
Lol, what in same hell does that mean. That he misses throws from time to time. Holy shit. Great work inspector.
Well yeah he'll get the "standard deal" for 5 years at market value. But at his age (34, January birthday) the FO would be idiots themselves if that contract wasn't backloaded and easily cuttable after 2 years, and certainly after 3... So in effect it wouldn't be more than a 3 year contract at most. You just don't place large bets on guys playing well at 37-40 years old. Even QBs who have been as resilient as Eli has.
Look at how this FO got burned counting on OL in their early 30s!
Minimal first year salary then normal 2nd year escalating up to very high salaries at the end of the deal
110-115 total
55-65 guaranteed
Eli is a very good QB. He completes a team, but he doesn't make a team. but he also isn't the alternative - a QB wannabe/washout.
Which other quarterbacks are making chicken salad out of the chicken shit the Giants have had at offensive line, and defense the last several years?
Who are these franchise quarterbacks that are succeeding in the complex Gilbride offense when there was no pass protection, no run game, a carousel of WRs and tight ends?
Who are these franchise quarterbacks thriving over a several year span of perhaps the worst injury luck in NFL history?
And finally, when things are struggling, who are these other franchise quarterbacks that are keeping the NY media from turning our team into a shitshow circus?
oh wait, some did. they were told they were dunces.
13th in passing Tds
12th in Game winning drives
10th in comebacks
Consecutive game streak
2 SB MVPs
He has a chance to be in the top 10 after this season, in passing Tds and total passing yards. Hopefully this new season can produce another SB win, and boost his numbers in top 5 in passing TDs and total passing yards.
The Year One results with McAdoo were exactly what the team wanted to see from Eli, even with an OL that was (in pass blocking) only mediocre at best.
[quote] 11 seasons
5 playoff seasons
3 one and done in offseason
2 superbowl
I love me the Eli, but let's hold off on giving him anything he wants.
the 2 rings are fabulous. let's jump through hoops for joy.
the fewer playoff appearances than not (in a fairly easy to make it if you're any good league) makes me say let's evaluate the situation before getting too fixated on those two rings. If you're going to shell out huge dollars for a QB, he needs to at least be a QB who gets gets you into the offseason more often than not. Eli hasn't been taking us there or beyond the first round the majority of his career.
I love the rings. but at some point you have to realize that way too often a 'meaningful' December has been an outside chance of making the playoffs but mathematically still in it. [/quote
that looks like a qb who is not elite. if he was,the money would be easy.
I just don't get it. How many active QBs have multiple rings? I'd take 2 SB wins over losing the SB every year for those 8 playoff appearances. Whether you are 1 and done or 3 and done it still ends in disappointment. Some would argue it stings more losing the SB than 1 and done.
You know he's got a .727 postseason record right? A number beaten only by Wilson among active QBs. I think he's one of the best post-season QBs in the league.
You mentioned something about blaming it on the system being wrong. Well, last year under this more QB friendly system, it was one of his best years (statistically). How did that work out for us?
Yes he's worth the money and his contract should be better than Big Ben's IMHO. However, naturally, I hope it's for less so that extra money can go to other players. I won't be upset if it's not. I think year number 2 under the new system will show that THE SYSTEM DOES MATTER.
Jon, on rereading Condon's statements about Eli's future contract - frankly that's pretty weak sauce for an agent who's a "stud."
Negotiating on the basis the "no other team has let an aging franchise QB walk, except in the case of injury worries like Peyton and Drew Brees..." It's just a weak as hell argument at this point. If the Giants franchise Eli in 2016, he'll be 36 years old before Condon negotiates Eli's last big deal. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be in Condon's shoes in that case, because a LOT of GMs would not be putting up 50,000,000 in guaranteed money for ANY 36 year old football player.
Again for any who say - "you pay him his due" - no you don't. You pay on the basis of anticipated future performance, and Eli better have a crackin' 2015 to get the kinda dough that puts him back among the top 5 most highly paid QBs.
Last we heard, from Eli IIRC, the Giants hadn't even approached Eli or Condon. Seems they still haven't from what Condon told RV.
Frankly I wouldn't want to play hardball with Condon or JR. JR definitely draws line in the sand...
You can argue all day that he may not be "elite," whatever that means, or you can say he isn't one of the top QB's. However, to say he isn't a franchise QB is just silly. He consistantly is in the top third of the league in all categories. Yes he has had some bad years with turnovers, but in regards to the rest of this stats he is always near the top.
Now, franchise doesn't mean they don't make any mistakes, all QB's do. Franchise doesn't mean you wouldn't like some better play from your QB at times. Franchise does not mean they are perfect. Franchise means you are set at the QB position. You can/have won with with that player. You fit pieces around a franchise player, not the opposite.
But I guess a lot of people won't appreciate Eli until he's gone.