“The quarterbacks always get done,” Condon said. “And the Giants are not a skittish team. So it’s not one of those things where they get nervous or they jump around or anything like that. You know you’re going to go in and it’s going to get done. I’m sure at the appropriate time it’ll happen.”
Link - (
New Window )
-BBI Mouthbreathers
From the FO point of view, if they have any question at all about how much longer Eli can perform at a top level, the franchise tag for 2016 makes a helluva lot more sense than a long term deal.
Condon's in denial if he doesn't see that...
From the FO point of view, if they have any question at all about how much longer Eli can perform at a top level, the franchise tag for 2016 makes a helluva lot more sense than a long term deal.
Condon's in denial if he doesn't see that...
Totally agree. Good point.
They might look to do it midseason. A couple recent guys have done that (notably Watt). One advantage is the Giants can keep $5-10M in cap space for (in-season) injury replacements. So by mid-season they'll know how much of that will be used and thus can structure the new contract appropriately (i.e. if a lot is unused then give Eli a big bonus that counts towards the 2015 cap).
It's all Eli.
on the other hand, Eli has not been routinely leading his team into the playoffs lately. He's got two rings, but also a bunch of one and done's in the playoffs, too. which sort of gives ammunition to the 'spend the money on the bulk of the team and more reasonable dollars to a QB' crowd
on the one hand, it's likely to cost MORE money this year for Eli if we extend him now. his first year cap hit will be less, but that money will be borrowed from the future. we WILL pay more for him this year if we extend him, with the only question when we're going to pay it (queue the 'cap is going to rise, don't worry about the future' crowd)
On the other, if he hits Free Agency NEXT year we have to compete with other teams. anyone who thinks he isn't going to get that price this year is delusional. he could hold FA over our heads, and we could hold franchise over his.
there is the question of whether the asking price rises via the prices rise every year overall if we wait a year. countered by the reality that Eli is getting further and further from prime every year.
Personally, I would NOT extend him this year unless he's reasonable in his terms. If he wants top dollar, wait a year. we can always pay top dollar next year.
on the other hand, Eli has not been routinely leading his team into the playoffs lately. He's got two rings, but also a bunch of one and done's in the playoffs, too. which sort of gives ammunition to the 'spend the money on the bulk of the team and more reasonable dollars to a QB' crowd
on the one hand, it's likely to cost MORE money this year for Eli if we extend him now. his first year cap hit will be less, but that money will be borrowed from the future. we WILL pay more for him this year if we extend him, with the only question when we're going to pay it (queue the 'cap is going to rise, don't worry about the future' crowd)
On the other, if he hits Free Agency NEXT year we have to compete with other teams. anyone who thinks he isn't going to get that price this year is delusional. he could hold FA over our heads, and we could hold franchise over his.
there is the question of whether the asking price rises via the prices rise every year overall if we wait a year. countered by the reality that Eli is getting further and further from prime every year.
Personally, I would NOT extend him this year unless he's reasonable in his terms. If he wants top dollar, wait a year. we can always pay top dollar next year.
mara has said publicly that the giants need to have the right price for eli to get a new contract,he will not over pay this time in my opinion.
Yeah, but that one playoff appearance led to another Super Bowl championship. That's the difference between Eli Manning and, say, Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan.
Big players do it in big spots, and Eli's done it twice.
Franchise Quarterback? No question about it.
[quote] In comment 12346520 sundayatone said:
Quote:
since eli signed his mega deal he will lead the giants to 1,just 1 playoff appearance. franchise qb,really?
jim plunkette star qb too?
Yeah, but that one playoff appearance led to another Super Bowl championship. That's the difference between Eli Manning and, say, Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan.
Big players do it in big spots, and Eli's done it twice.
Franchise Quarterback? No question about it. [/qu
jim plunkette star qb too?
eli has been a good qb at best not a franchise qb,the giants got fleeced with the money they payed him the last 6 yrs. remember its a business,the investment has been a big disappointment from a monetary perspective. lots of uneven play,cringe worthy losses and failed expectations. going fwd the giants want to have flexibility with their payroll,so its not a slam dunk a blank check will be the out come.
much much better consistency and not head scratching plays that keep showing up,i am sure the giant decision makers would like that too.
sundayatone : 12:17 pm : link : reply
In comment 12346611 Klaatu said:
Quote:
...
eli has been a good qb at best not a franchise qb,the giants got fleeced with the money they payed him the last 6 yrs. remember its a business,the investment has been a big disappointment from a monetary perspective. lots of uneven play,cringe worthy losses and failed expectations. going fwd the giants want to have flexibility with their payroll,so its not a slam dunk a blank check will be the out come.
Is Tom Brady a Franchise QB? what do you think he would have done behind this OL in 2013?
Unfortunately, qb's get all the blame and praise for what their teams do.....Eli has been the greatest qb the Giants ever had.....statistically, he is not one of the best, when compared to the likes of his brother, Brees, Brady, etc........but you give him a half decent OL, some weapons, and a decent defense, and he can take you places....unfortunately, Reese can't seem to get that OL, that Eli has needed for the last 4 years....he won a SB, somehow, with the crap that was in front of him...since then, the crap has really fermented....
sundayatone : 12:17 pm : link : reply
In comment 12346611 Klaatu said:
Quote:
...
eli has been a good qb at best not a franchise qb,the giants got fleeced with the money they payed him the last 6 yrs. remember its a business,the investment has been a big disappointment from a monetary perspective. lots of uneven play,cringe worthy losses and failed expectations. going fwd the giants want to have flexibility with their payroll,so its not a slam dunk a blank check will be the out come.
Is Tom Brady a Franchise QB? what do you think he would have done behind this OL in 2013?
Unfortunately, qb's get all the blame and praise for what their teams do.....Eli has been the greatest qb the Giants ever had.....statistically, he is not one of the best, when compared to the likes of his brother, Brees, Brady, etc........but you give him a half decent OL, some weapons, and a decent defense, and he can take you places....unfortunately, Reese can't seem to get that OL, that Eli has needed for the last 4 years....he won a SB, somehow, with the crap that was in front of him...since then, the crap has really fermented....
right,defend eli to the death.if he is so wonderful how come he has no extension,should be eazy peazy, if your analysis is so one sided?
Quote:
Eli's led the team to two Super Bowl championships, was named Super Bowl MVP both times, and hasn't missed a game since he was named the starter. He's only 34, which is hardly over the hill these days. He's finally playing in a much more QB-friendly offense, and had one of his best seasons, statistically, last year. What more do you want?
much much better consistency and not head scratching plays that keep showing up,i am sure the giant decision makers would like that too.
With all of the accolades, with all of the "consistency," Aaron Rogers hasn't been back to a second Super Bowl (and you could argue that he lucked into his first one when the Giants got screwed). Drew Brees hasn't sniffed another one, and neither has Joe Flacco. The aforementioned Dalton and Ryan haven't even been close. Big Brother has an abysmal post-season record. Rivers? Don't make me laugh.
Eli Manning has been a Godsend to the Giants organization. To argue otherwise is incomprehensible to me, so we'll just have to agree to disagree about it.
Quote:
In comment 12346624 Klaatu said:
Quote:
Eli's led the team to two Super Bowl championships, was named Super Bowl MVP both times, and hasn't missed a game since he was named the starter. He's only 34, which is hardly over the hill these days. He's finally playing in a much more QB-friendly offense, and had one of his best seasons, statistically, last year. What more do you want?
much much better consistency and not head scratching plays that keep showing up,i am sure the giant decision makers would like that too.
With all of the accolades, with all of the "consistency," Aaron Rogers hasn't been back to a second Super Bowl (and you could argue that he lucked into his first one when the Giants got screwed). Drew Brees hasn't sniffed another one, and neither has Joe Flacco. The aforementioned Dalton and Ryan haven't even been close. Big Brother has an abysmal post-season record. Rivers? Don't make me laugh.
Eli Manning has been a Godsend to the Giants organization. To argue otherwise is incomprehensible to me, so we'll just have to agree to disagree about it.
i concur sir,the answer has many sides of the coin. for me ,eli still keeps me wonderin and hoping for more.
no, i do not,its not the plays he makes,its the plays he does not make. check the tape.
eli is always the hero when things go good, and it every one elses fault when they do not.
5 playoff seasons
3 one and done in offseason
2 superbowl
I love me the Eli, but let's hold off on giving him anything he wants.
the 2 rings are fabulous. let's jump through hoops for joy.
the fewer playoff appearances than not (in a fairly easy to make it if you're any good league) makes me say let's evaluate the situation before getting too fixated on those two rings. If you're going to shell out huge dollars for a QB, he needs to at least be a QB who gets gets you into the offseason more often than not. Eli hasn't been taking us there or beyond the first round the majority of his career.
I love the rings. but at some point you have to realize that way too often a 'meaningful' December has been an outside chance of making the playoffs but mathematically still in it.
[quote] 11 seasons
5 playoff seasons
3 one and done in offseason
2 superbowl
I love me the Eli, but let's hold off on giving him anything he wants.
the 2 rings are fabulous. let's jump through hoops for joy.
the fewer playoff appearances than not (in a fairly easy to make it if you're any good league) makes me say let's evaluate the situation before getting too fixated on those two rings. If you're going to shell out huge dollars for a QB, he needs to at least be a QB who gets gets you into the offseason more often than not. Eli hasn't been taking us there or beyond the first round the majority of his career.
I love the rings. but at some point you have to realize that way too often a 'meaningful' December has been an outside chance of making the playoffs but mathematically still in it. [/quote
that looks like a qb who is not elite. if he was,the money would be easy.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
and eli has to stop being an TO machine.
check the fumbles,he has very poor with that too.
Quote:
we played musical fucking chairs when it comes to DCs. Spags isn't the only DC i respected during TCs tenure. I didn't like Lewis, Fewell and Sheridan.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
and eli has to stop being an TO machine.
I expect good things in this new system. People don't understand that you are going to get turnovers in the Gilbride system. You have bad decisions, WR option routes, and then play calling which doesn't do anything to help the QB. When you add that alll together you are going to have turnovers.
Let's see how he does in this new system. He had a great first year. I expect him to build off of that and have another great year. Sometimes I wonder how options of him would have developed if we had this Ben M. system first for 10 years rather than the Hufangel and Gilbride as our OCs.
But that can't be changed. So I think our fan base and non Giants fans will get to see how ELi can do in this system. I expect him to take another step this year.
[quote] In comment 12346833 sundayatone said:
Quote:
In comment 12346805 AnishPatel said:
Quote:
we played musical fucking chairs when it comes to DCs. Spags isn't the only DC i respected during TCs tenure. I didn't like Lewis, Fewell and Sheridan.
I believe Eli will show fans that he can produce great numbers in this new system. It's about to defense and the DC to carry their half of it too.
and eli has to stop being an TO machine.
I expect good things in this new system. People don't understand that you are going to get turnovers in the Gilbride system. You have bad decisions, WR option routes, and then play calling which doesn't do anything to help the QB. When you add that alll together you are going to have turnovers.
Let's see how he does in this new system. He had a great first year. I expect him to build off of that and have another great year. Sometimes I wonder how options of him would have developed if we had this Ben M. system first for 10 years rather than the Hufangel and Gilbride as our OCs.
But that can't be changed. So I think our fan base and non Giants fans will get to see how ELi can do in this system. I expect him to take another step this year. [/quote
system,system,always poor eli, with the system.stop with excuses,win freakin games.
That's the system too. Good or bad.
[quote] he and Eli are very similar. Who plays better depends on who has the better supporting cast. Eli however is durable and not one hint of bad behavior ever. [/qoute
check the record,W/L TD/INT comp%,big ben is a pro bowler,eli,not really.
Call me when Big Ben wins his first Super Bowl MVP award.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything without a defense ranked in the top five.
Call me when Big Ben wins anything with the bottom-ranked running game in the league.
Playoffs, W-L, Winning Percentage:
Eli: 8-3, .727.
Ben: 10-5, .666.
Nothing against Big Ben. I liked him in 2004 and I like him now. But I'll still take Eli any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Not a franchise QB LMFAO..
Eli Manning has won 2 SB's with much less of a supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Ben or Wilson..
You sir are either a troll or a moron..