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NFT: From SCOTUS to POTUS?

sphinx : 6/28/2015 10:05 am
No, not really. I was reading an article unrelated to the thread title and found this throw in, parenthesized:

. (Side point: political writers wonder when the Republican party will produce its next really shrewd strategist, the one who knows how to pick his battles rather than getting mired in obstructive pandering to the base. Such a figure already exists. His name is John Roberts.)


well if we are playing this game  
giantfan2000 : 6/28/2015 10:12 am : link
I think Obama could follow William Taft and would make an interesting Supreme Court Justice

I doubt many Republicans  
buford : 6/28/2015 10:14 am : link
would vote for Roberts.
RE: well if we are playing this game  
giantsfaninphilly : 6/28/2015 10:15 am : link
In comment 12346524 giantfan2000 said:
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I think Obama could follow William Taft and would make an interesting Supreme Court Justice


Obama has no experience as a judge at any level.
Good quote of his.  
Ira : 6/28/2015 10:17 am : link
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“Under the Constitution, judges have the power to say what the law is, not what it should be.”

Taft's lifelong goal  
dep026 : 6/28/2015 10:17 am : link
was to be on the Supreme Court. I doubt he ever wanted to be President.

Obama and Taft are two entirely different people.
RE: RE: well if we are playing this game  
Sarcastic Sam : 6/28/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12346528 giantsfaninphilly said:
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In comment 12346524 giantfan2000 said:


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I think Obama could follow William Taft and would make an interesting Supreme Court Justice




Obama has no experience as a judge at any level.


Didn't stop Elana Kagan.

Or William Rehnquist.

And Bill was seriously considerating nominating Hillary.
People are so dumb  
bradshaw44 : 6/28/2015 10:20 am : link
John Roberts couldn't buy a republican vote at this point.
RE: People are so dumb  
Dunedin81 : 6/28/2015 10:21 am : link
In comment 12346534 bradshaw44 said:
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John Roberts couldn't buy a republican vote at this point.


John Roberts, detested by Republicans for doing what Republicans have been saying they wanted justices to do for two decades.
RE: RE: People are so dumb  
Dunedin81 : 6/28/2015 10:22 am : link
In comment 12346538 Dunedin81 said:
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John Roberts couldn't buy a republican vote at this point.



John Roberts, detested by Republicans for doing what Republicans have been saying they wanted justices to do for two decades.


Rather, two generations.
RE: RE: well if we are playing this game  
buford : 6/28/2015 10:22 am : link
In comment 12346528 giantsfaninphilly said:
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In comment 12346524 giantfan2000 said:


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I think Obama could follow William Taft and would make an interesting Supreme Court Justice




Obama has no experience as a judge at any level.


Well he didn't have any executive experience yet was elected president.
please provide links for direct quotes  
chris r : 6/28/2015 11:08 am : link
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I'd like to see a  
Bill in UT : 6/28/2015 11:43 am : link
Roberts/Souter ticket. The South Carolina primary would be fun
The first chief justice really wanted to be president not justice  
Mason : 6/28/2015 12:34 pm : link
Basically, why there was a Madison vs Marbury is because of butthurt feelings.
RE: RE: People are so dumb  
bradshaw44 : 6/28/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12346538 Dunedin81 said:
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John Roberts couldn't buy a republican vote at this point.



John Roberts, detested by Republicans for doing what Republicans have been saying they wanted justices to do for two decades.


Which is what?
Not undoing the will of the legislature...  
Dunedin81 : 6/28/2015 2:01 pm : link
no matter how slender that majority might have been.
Not undoing the will of the legislature?  
scouser : 6/28/2015 2:40 pm : link
How about Citizens United or the Voting Rights Act?
Conservative Judicial Philosophy or temperament is not the same as  
Watson : 6/28/2015 2:45 pm : link
Ideological Political Conservatism. Let's suppose there was a Republican major piece of legislation. Out of 2500 words, 5 words were picked out by the judges and used to change a major part or key element. As such it distorted what was intend by a Republican Congress & what had been signed into law by the President. Republicans would be screaming judicial activism of the worst kind.
RE: Not undoing the will of the legislature?  
Watson : 6/28/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12346750 scouser said:
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How about Citizens United or the Voting Rights Act?


Those were decided based on constitutionality as opposed to interpreting what the law said.
RE: Conservative Judicial Philosophy or temperament is not the same as  
buford : 6/28/2015 6:37 pm : link
In comment 12346755 Watson said:
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Ideological Political Conservatism. Let's suppose there was a Republican major piece of legislation. Out of 2500 words, 5 words were picked out by the judges and used to change a major part or key element. As such it distorted what was intend by a Republican Congress & what had been signed into law by the President. Republicans would be screaming judicial activism of the worst kind.


Except we know that it was intended to push the states to set up marketplaces. I agree the lawsuit was doomed to fail, but the Dems really played fast and loose on this bill. It's a shame, only because we did need healthcare reform, but not this. And not how this was done.
RE: RE: well if we are playing this game  
81_Great_Dane : 6/28/2015 7:19 pm : link
In comment 12346528 giantsfaninphilly said:
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I think Obama could follow William Taft and would make an interesting Supreme Court Justice




Obama has no experience as a judge at any level.
There's no requirement that Supreme Court justices have experience as judges, or that they even be lawyers. It's a recent tradition.

Obama was a constitutional law professor. It's an interesting idea.
I love Republicans.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 6/28/2015 7:37 pm : link
They preach judicial restraint when it fits them. And preach judicial activism with Obamacare, etc.

I can't wait for Hillary's appointees. Move the Court further left. Move the Court with America.
RE: RE: Conservative Judicial Philosophy or temperament is not the same as  
Watson : 6/28/2015 8:59 pm : link
In comment 12346988 buford said:
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In comment 12346755 Watson said:


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Ideological Political Conservatism. Let's suppose there was a Republican major piece of legislation. Out of 2500 words, 5 words were picked out by the judges and used to change a major part or key element. As such it distorted what was intend by a Republican Congress & what had been signed into law by the President. Republicans would be screaming judicial activism of the worst kind.



Except we know that it was intended to push the states to set up marketplaces. I agree the lawsuit was doomed to fail, but the Dems really played fast and loose on this bill. It's a shame, only because we did need healthcare reform, but not this. And not how this was done.


Yes, a few words hidden in a huge piece of legislation were purposely put there to push the states to set up their own exchanges. There could absolutely be no other explanation. That only makes sense to be people who love a good conspiracy theory.

As stated above, If the tables had been reversed, exact same people would have been crying foul.


RE: I love Republicans.  
bradshaw44 : 6/28/2015 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12347045 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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They preach judicial restraint when it fits them. And preach judicial activism with Obamacare, etc.

I can't wait for Hillary's appointees. Move the Court further left. Move the Court with America.


Go team go
Is there going to be a need for new appointees?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2015 9:10 pm : link
Who's retiring?
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Dunedin81 : 6/28/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12347031 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 12346524 giantfan2000 said:


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I think Obama could follow William Taft and would make an interesting Supreme Court Justice




Obama has no experience as a judge at any level.

There's no requirement that Supreme Court justices have experience as judges, or that they even be lawyers. It's a recent tradition.

Obama was a constitutional law professor. It's an interesting idea.


He was a lecturer on the subject, with virtually no scholarship. Sticking a polarizing President on the Court would not convince America that it is something even remotely nonpartisan.
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Dunedin81 : 6/28/2015 9:14 pm : link
In comment 12347124 Watson said:
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In comment 12346755 Watson said:


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Ideological Political Conservatism. Let's suppose there was a Republican major piece of legislation. Out of 2500 words, 5 words were picked out by the judges and used to change a major part or key element. As such it distorted what was intend by a Republican Congress & what had been signed into law by the President. Republicans would be screaming judicial activism of the worst kind.



Except we know that it was intended to push the states to set up marketplaces. I agree the lawsuit was doomed to fail, but the Dems really played fast and loose on this bill. It's a shame, only because we did need healthcare reform, but not this. And not how this was done.



Yes, a few words hidden in a huge piece of legislation were purposely put there to push the states to set up their own exchanges. There could absolutely be no other explanation. That only makes sense to be people who love a good conspiracy theory.

As stated above, If the tables had been reversed, exact same people would have been crying foul.



I think it was a nearer-run thing than is supposed, but if the watchword is judicial restraint expecting them to invalidate this would certainly not be in keeping with that.
A lot of wishful thinking  
uconngiant : 6/29/2015 12:45 am : link
by the progressives on the board. Hillary is no lock by any means, heck Bernie Sanders may be the candidate when all is said and done. Her past is going to hurt her before next year.
Interesting, but chief SCOTOS is a better job than POTUS  
WideRight : 6/29/2015 8:27 am : link
Roberts knows exactly what he's doing. Recall Obama was initially respected for his intellect. Now he's despised for it. Same thing would happen with Roberts, but he's too smart to go there.
Chief SCOTUS earns 255,000/yr  
WideRight : 6/29/2015 8:32 am : link
Not exaclty rookie money, but it should pay the bills.

But its also low enough to make me worry about the Justices pandering to speaker fees in their spare time. Why are they allowed to take money to speak, when alomost every thing under the sun is a potential conflict of interest to them?
RE: Is there going to be a need for new appointees?  
giants#1 : 6/29/2015 8:33 am : link
In comment 12347135 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Who's retiring?


Ginsburg's 82
Scalia's 79
Kennedy's 79
Breyer's 77

The healthcare system is pretty good nowadays, but there's a good chance at least 1 of the above has some health issues in the next 9 years.
Ginsburg already had pancreatic cacner, IIRC  
WideRight : 6/29/2015 8:34 am : link
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This is a typical exercise in pundit mental masterbation.  
Section331 : 6/29/2015 8:40 am : link
John Roberts is not giving political or policy advice from the bench, and he is certainly not leaving a lifetime appointment.
He's also sending a pretty clear message to GOP  
WideRight : 6/29/2015 9:44 am : link
Win elections, and you will get the court that you want.
RE: Ginsburg already had pancreatic cacner, IIRC  
njm : 6/29/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12347328 WideRight said:
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True. She won't retire, but if you were to predict a vacancy during the next term it would be her seat.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy was the next to retire  
giants#1 : 6/29/2015 1:41 pm : link
He seems to be the only one pragmatic enough to do it on his own terms...

Close to 0% chance Scalia retires if HRC wins.
RE: I wouldn't be surprised if Kennedy was the next to retire  
Dunedin81 : 6/29/2015 1:57 pm : link
In comment 12347868 giants#1 said:
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He seems to be the only one pragmatic enough to do it on his own terms...

Close to 0% chance Scalia retires if HRC wins.


Scalia enjoys it too much. I wonder if Thomas is a little less enamored with being despised by so many.
RE: Not undoing the will of the legislature?  
TJ : 6/29/2015 6:48 pm : link
In comment 12346750 scouser said:
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How about Citizens United or the Voting Rights Act?


I think Ledbetter is actually the perfect case to cite vis a vis thwarting the clearly stated intention of congress. In Ledbetter the court interpreted the phrase in the EEO law "shall be filed within one hundred and eighty days after the alleged unlawful employment practice occurred" to mean that only the initial decision, possibly made years before, to discriminate in paying of wages was a violation rather than than following precedent which was to view the issuance of each new discriminatory paycheck as a restart of the 180 day clock. They did so despite the fact that the clearly stated intent of title VII was to prevent wage discrimination. They did so despite the fact that comparative wage info is secret and impossible to assess immediately. They did so despite the fact that when they used a similar argument to protect protect corporate interests in another case (Lorance), congress immediately rewrote the law to repudiate that decision and make it non controlling.

The court's interpretation in Ledbetter could only be consistent with the intent of congress if the intent of title VII had been to allow employers to get away with wage discrimination if they could only hide it for the first 180 days it occurred. Deliberately ignoring the clearly stated intent of the law in order to achieve an effect in direct opposition to congressional intent is judicial activism at its finest.
as for scotus to potus  
TJ : 6/29/2015 6:53 pm : link
supreme court justices have the best gig in washington. Anybody who would quit that job to run for office is probably unfit to sit on the bench to begin with. Besides, a good justice has a long and detailed written record of nuanced and reasoned decisions. That's poison for any federal political candidate.
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