this isn't directed at you, but these ridiculous WFAN trades only serve to say their guy is better than our guy. I've never seen one of these that doesn't imply I wish the Mets had that guy. Harvey for Harper? Harvey for Trout? Get my drift?
RE: Total nonsense trade proposal strictly for discussion
If the cubs approached me and not the other way around, i would ask for more plus Bryant, Harvey is a bit more established than Bryant (rookie). Call me crazy but I would try to get more for Harvey.
this isn't directed at you, but these ridiculous WFAN trades only serve to say their guy is better than our guy. I've never seen one of these that doesn't imply I wish the Mets had that guy. Harvey for Harper? Harvey for Trout? Get my drift?
Funny you should say that. It's just something that was thrown out there on ESPN radio from Ryan Ruocco.
"Metro2007 wrote:
I just can't knock taking a lefty who throws low 90's, good frame, plus slider and local... plus "Lets go Matz" will be awesome! lol"
how Frazier has gone absolutely nuts ever since his name came up in possible trades. He's a stud.
3rd in fwar and top 10 in bwar, metrics love him. Kipnis is tied with Frazier in fwar btw.
Takes longer to buy into the late bloomers (Ortiz, Bautista etc) but Frazier is the goods. He's MVP caliber good this season (no exaggeration) and has been all-star good for a few years now.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 47s47 seconds ago
As for Rockets, like we reported last week, Houston WANTS to get in the game for both Aldridge and Kevin Love. Needs to shed salary, tho
I wouldn't mind taking Clint Capela as part of a deal.
I think best case Van Slyke, but honestly I'd even consider taking back Rollins in a worst case. Yes he's be terrible, but all you need is a good 3 months of him and he still has as many HRs this year as Tejada does in his entire career.
RE: Dan - you see any realistic way to get Gomez w/o Thor/Matz?
if anything at all to what we already have. Van Slyke or Rollins add zip. Gomez can help with his defense. He only had a few good years with his bat and he's not a great base stealing threat any more. I'd try to package Niese with another player or prospect to get someone good. We already have enough mediocre position players.
"Metro2007 wrote:
I just can't knock taking a lefty who throws low 90's, good frame, plus slider and local... plus "Lets go Matz" will be awesome! lol"
:)
Wow Dan, how did you find THAT??? Hat tip to you by the way.
is already 34 years old. he can't play SS (if that was even a consideration), and if you plan to put him in the OF he's not a corner OFer from a production standpoint.
what would you do with Zobrist? 2b?
he'd be Murphy 2.0 with possibly better D.
I see no point in acquiring Zobrist if Murphy is healthy unless you tell me what you plan to do with him.
On the downside of his career. He's at the age where his defense is already taking a hit. His career numbers aren't really that impressive and I think he's had his big two 20 home run seasons. I'd take him over Lagares but would hate him in a corner.
I'd play Zobrist mostly in the LF (Mets LFs currently have a -WAR)
and his production is 100% strong enough to upgrade that spot significantly. His best defensive position the past few years has been 2B so theoretically if Flores struggles he could slide in there as well. Zobrist currently has a 125wRC+, which is just above his own career average (119) and 15+ points higher than Murphy's numbers from this year and last (110 & 108 respectively). In a year where he got off to a very slow start his numbers would still easily make him the 3rd best player on this team behind only Duda and Granderson. Of course adding Zobrist isn't a long term piece, but for this season he'd give you depth at a number of positions that have been problematic and a very solid bat hitting 2nd or 4th/5th (i'd imagine in a pinch he could play SS or 3B as he's done previously).
Several years ago,meh was baseballs most underrated player. But he is now a super sub guy. Not a star the Mets need. If you are paying for his current and future role, perfect fit. If the cost is for "Ben Zobrist", thanks but thanks.
If he's part of a deal for Baez there almost certainly has to be something significant going back to them with him. I mean, there were rumors the Brewers turned down Aramis Ramirez for Niese straight up just a couple weeks ago.
I think a 3rd/4th OFer from the Dodgers or Rollins is about as much as can possibly be expected for him. Though supposedly the Blue Jays are looking for pitching now as well, and they have always loved Niese.
which means his defense was likely worse by their internal metrics than what we think. They were the last ones who wanted to admit they were wrong. Barring an injury I just don't see them going back again.
If that is indeed the case, Tejada & Rollins rest of season, who are you taking?
All all seriousness, I'm just not keen on adding an
ancient player that is having an awful year offensively. I honestly think that Tejada may actually be the better offensive player at this point. And that says a lot. Rollins has never been a great offensive player so it's not like he could potentially add that much if he has a hot streak. Tejada could have a hot streak also. Any player can. Just not a fan of adding Rollins. But you know this, lol.
You are not going to bait me into saying I'll stick with Tejada
He was worth 4 WAR last year with 17 HRs and he's on the same power pace this year, just a brutal BABIP. Despite that his OPS is still only like 30 or 40 points off of Tejada, who has basically played his absolute best. Rollins knows this division, plays solid d, can steal a few bases, and in a big spot I would 10000000% rather see him up there than Tejada.
Ha - and my last post was in response to your first response
They are the figment of sports writers or worse bloggers imaginations that take on a life of their own. When real trades come down it usually is I didn't see that coming, nobody was mentioning those names. It's all bullshit to fill space
RE: Ha - and my last post was in response to your first response
your last response makes you #teamtejada chairman.
Haha, you got me. That made me laugh. Didn't know his BAPIP was so bad...maybe I'll soften on my Rollins stance. He can come to the Mets but only if he publicly states that "we are the team to beat."
When a player in his upper thirties goes into a sharp
Matt Harvey for Kris Bryant.
Go.
Matt Harvey for Kris Bryant.
Go.
If the cubs approached me and not the other way around, i would ask for more plus Bryant, Harvey is a bit more established than Bryant (rookie). Call me crazy but I would try to get more for Harvey.
Funny you should say that. It's just something that was thrown out there on ESPN radio from Ryan Ruocco.
"Metro2007 wrote:
I just can't knock taking a lefty who throws low 90's, good frame, plus slider and local... plus "Lets go Matz" will be awesome! lol"
:)
3rd in fwar and top 10 in bwar, metrics love him. Kipnis is tied with Frazier in fwar btw.
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how Frazier has gone absolutely nuts ever since his name came up in possible trades. He's a stud.
3rd in fwar and top 10 in bwar, metrics love him. Kipnis is tied with Frazier in fwar btw.
Takes longer to buy into the late bloomers (Ortiz, Bautista etc) but Frazier is the goods. He's MVP caliber good this season (no exaggeration) and has been all-star good for a few years now.
familia should make it as well
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 47s47 seconds ago
As for Rockets, like we reported last week, Houston WANTS to get in the game for both Aldridge and Kevin Love. Needs to shed salary, tho
I wouldn't mind taking Clint Capela as part of a deal.
Matt Harvey for Kris Bryant.
Go.
I know it's just a hypothetical but no way would the Cubs ever do that trade
Wish we can get both
I'd deal Nimmo as a headliner for Reddick without thinking twice.
Conforto/Lagares/Reddick
I'm still doubting the return on Niese but I'd LOVE to pry away De Leon
I don't give up a Thor or Matz for a Gomez rental.
Wish we can get both
Nimmo Plus IMO
Wouldn't mind an Alex Guerrero who could play both 3rd and OF whereas i beleive Reddick only plays the OF (yet he's more proven than Guererro.
If Flores is going to remain at 2nd then maybe Herera becomes a trade chip.
Would be nice to land one or maybe both. (of course, Mav f'ed up LF so).
"Metro2007 wrote:
I just can't knock taking a lefty who throws low 90's, good frame, plus slider and local... plus "Lets go Matz" will be awesome! lol"
:)
Wow Dan, how did you find THAT??? Hat tip to you by the way.
what would you do with Zobrist? 2b?
he'd be Murphy 2.0 with possibly better D.
I see no point in acquiring Zobrist if Murphy is healthy unless you tell me what you plan to do with him.
I'm convinced hitting coach is about as useless as ice to an eskimo.
you have seen what the Astros are doing with Dave Hudgens as hitting coach, right?
Same guy who with the Mets had near the bottom production, in Houston (5th in runs, 9th in OPS, #1 in MLB in HRs)
Mets are near the bottom in every category.
So rave about Long all they want, he's not making them hit better.
Yeah, that Anthony Recker.
Agreed - and I think he'd be an excellent fit at the top of the lineup.
If Baez is any good, he would be up in the ML right now.
His value has taken a hit, while Niese's stock has risen as a legit ML #3 starter.
I think a 3rd/4th OFer from the Dodgers or Rollins is about as much as can possibly be expected for him. Though supposedly the Blue Jays are looking for pitching now as well, and they have always loved Niese.
2015 Rollins - 7HR
Ruben Tejada Career - 8HR
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Lol, Eric
2015 Rollins - 7HR
Ruben Tejada Career - 8HR
2015 Flores - 10 HR
Haha, Flores FTW!!
If that is indeed the case, Tejada & Rollins rest of season, who are you taking?
Haha, you got me. That made me laugh. Didn't know his BAPIP was so bad...maybe I'll soften on my Rollins stance. He can come to the Mets but only if he publicly states that "we are the team to beat."
Rollins is 36 going to be 37 in November. There is not much left at a hefty price tag