So great to watch him come out and have a debut like this. I know we may have to trade some young talent to strengthen the hitting eventually but I really, really pray it's not him. I want him to be a Met for the next 10 years.
When he gets hot like this, he's ridiculous. Unfortunately, equally intense cold streaks usually follow to offset them.
Yup - another good reason to add another LF option and put Cuddyer into a platoon. Will be plenty of opportunities for him to find some PT, if he can earn it. Seems like he's been needing more and more days off recently anyway.
This offense is 1000 times better with a healthy DW, TdA, and Murphy. One big bat added to those three would go a long way.
Problem is...DW is probably done, Murphy is probably gone after this year, and TdA can't be relied on to be healthy. Everyone else is either bad, outrageously streaky, or "potential." Their offense is in shambles.
When he gets hot like this, he's ridiculous. Unfortunately, equally intense cold streaks usually follow to offset them.
Yup - another good reason to add another LF option and put Cuddyer into a platoon. Will be plenty of opportunities for him to find some PT, if he can earn it. Seems like he's been needing more and more days off recently anyway.
Agreed. Cuddyer is killing us.
The big problem is that Duda is pitiful right now and I'm not sure why. Not sure if it's an injury or what because he was quite good in April/May but has just been so, so bad since.
But if we could get Duda back to what he was the 2nd half of last year and early this year, get Murphy back in the lineup and maybe get Conforto up here at some point.. maybe the offense will be more passable. It would really help if we could swing a trade (not a blockbuster, just a mid-scale trade that gets us depth and a decent player)
Frustrating to have a staff this good and just have a lineup so deficient.
RE: Aaaaaand, there it is...incapable of having an adult conversation
yet a Zobrist (hopefully for little) and promoting Conforto would be nice.
They need more regular day bat and a bench. I think the pitchers should be bench bat considerations b/c they're showing more promise than the current bench.
arc, in regard to Duda, I don't think it's an injury
He is just flat out swinging at bad pitches. The balls on the outside of the plate and the pitches down and it. He wasn't doing that in the beginning of the year. Now he can't lay off them. I don't think that's injury related. Just a bad approach and not seeing the pitches.
But we'd have to be sure he can play SS long-term. I personally think he can, but... I also thought Wilmer could.
If Duda is fine, hopefully he can make the right adjustments. It's weird that he just suddenly hit a snag and has been in a mega black hole since but we desperately need him to hit like he was before if we're going to have any chance here.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in a room with all these
Do they know they are a part of a potentially historic rotation or are they just fed up with the lack of offense? Maybe both? Interesting stuff though.
Both can play a good LF and then shift around the other positions if you need to get Cuddyer more AB's or rest others.
Sandy said he's got 1 bullet, he's willing to overpay and we know he's had conversations with Oakland. Maybe it's yet another banana in the tailpipe, but short of something unexpected coming along I suspect he deals some combination of Reynolds/Montero/Robles/Fulmer/Mejia for 1 of them. Worst case scenario he has to get a Parra type of guy.
Perfect bench pieces, not saviors. And certainly not worth overpaying for. Supplementary pieces, not the big piece we desperately want and need. Just my humble opinion.
But we'd have to be sure he can play SS long-term. I personally think he can, but... I also thought Wilmer could.
If Duda is fine, hopefully he can make the right adjustments. It's weird that he just suddenly hit a snag and has been in a mega black hole since but we desperately need him to hit like he was before if we're going to have any chance here.
Last year I thought it was a foregone conclusion Bogaerts would be moved off SS. this year he's been better, so I guess there's a shot.
Wheeler's injury hurts for a lot of reasons, but among them is the fact I had him pegged as the guy to trade. I like him, but I viewed his ceiling as lower than Thor, Matz, or Harvey, wasn't sure about deGrom. Now I view Wheeler as probably less than deGrom too.
but he still has top of the rotation upside, so it's not some huge gap.
it's a conundrum, I don't want to trade any of Harvey, Thor, deGrom or Matz, but how do you get a big bat otherwise.
on the one hand we're seeing a potential historic rotation forming. On the other hand the offense is dismal and the organization continues to remind you that they're still the Mets.
If the Mets traded for Zobrist (for little I hope)
I am completely sold on him as a hitter. I think he's 100% legit. But the guy just cannot stay on the field. Even if they're freak injuries and seem totally random and not recurring they just keep happening. It's a bummer.
and Plaw hasn't proven he's MLB caliber yet, but what about TdA in the outfield? He's a decent enough athlete, and it might keep him healthier. I think he's got a good enough bat to have value as a RFer.
and Plaw hasn't proven he's MLB caliber yet, but what about TdA in the outfield? He's a decent enough athlete, and it might keep him healthier. I think he's got a good enough bat to have value as a RFer.
lol - the thought of him at 3rd crossed my mind. How to keep an injury prone player healthy (he's already going to be 27).
Perfect bench pieces, not saviors. And certainly not worth overpaying for. Supplementary pieces, not the big piece we desperately want and need. Just my humble opinion.
I don't disagree - this team needs a Gomez/Upton/Tulo type of presence playing every day. I just don't think it's realistically happening right now. Honestly don't think it will happen unless Wright retires.
He's having a good, but not great year, he has a lingering thumb injury that seems more nuisance than injury, he's probably achieved some level of persona non grata in Milwaukee, and he's got some very public baggage.
A change of scenery might be best for both parties there, and the Brewers are bad again.
And the Brewers apparently would like to move him and not eat any of his salary.
On the Mets he can play OF or 3B.
Not sure what it takes to get that done. If it can somehow be without Thor, Matz, Harvey or DeGrom I do it in a heartbeat.
I don't see the Mets ownership adding that cash though. He's owed 100M or so. But he's 36/37 when the contract ends, not one that goes into his later 30's/40 year old season like some of them.
isn't mainly that they don't have a huge bat in the middle of the lineup. Its that this year they've had way too many ABs from really bad hitters, or at least from hitters who are hitting very badly. A lot of it is injury related, but its also having an absolutely terrible bench.
The Mets have gotten 617 ABs - or about 25 percent of the non-pitcher ABs - from these 8 players: Ceciliani, Mayberry, Herrera, Plawecki, Campbell, Recker, Muno, Monell, and Nieuwenhuis.
Combined they have a .181 batting average. I can't be bothered to run the other numbers but needless to say that's absolutely dreadful when a quarter of your position player ABs have resulted in a .181 BA.
So while getting a slugger would be great, strengthening the bench would be a much more cost effective way to improve the offense. Getting guys healthy will of course help too. And bringing up Conforto which bounces Cuddyer to the bench immediately makes the bench stronger.
This could be a historic rotation IF Wheeler comes back
he's been way down since the whole steroid thing. The hasn't exactly been "Ryan Braun" for going on three years now and that scares me at his age.
Upton is an ideal target but not at a 189 to 200 million pricetag. I know that's what he'll command but I just don't think he's worth that much. Plus he strikes out a lot. But he's young.
Phi - above I posted some guys I'd be interested in next year who are FA. I'd be ok with Braun only if it's a Matt Kemp type trade (Tulo is in same category). Injuries scare me with both (Braun has a nerve problem with his thumb that's being treated but is likely a long term concern).
If Wright retires, which I doubt unless he has another setback, I think they'd have to go after Upton. If he doesn't retire I'd be ok with them going after some combo of a solid regular SS (Desmond may be a steal after this shitty season) and a mid-tier OF (like Spann, Zobrist or Fowler). The need for 2 bats is accounting for the likelihood Murphy is gone as well, with Herrera or Flores playing 2B.
isn't mainly that they don't have a huge bat in the middle of the lineup. Its that this year they've had way too many ABs from really bad hitters, or at least from hitters who are hitting very badly. A lot of it is injury related, but its also having an absolutely terrible bench.
The Mets have gotten 617 ABs - or about 25 percent of the non-pitcher ABs - from these 8 players: Ceciliani, Mayberry, Herrera, Plawecki, Campbell, Recker, Muno, Monell, and Nieuwenhuis.
Combined they have a .181 batting average. I can't be bothered to run the other numbers but needless to say that's absolutely dreadful when a quarter of your position player ABs have resulted in a .181 BA.
So while getting a slugger would be great, strengthening the bench would be a much more cost effective way to improve the offense. Getting guys healthy will of course help too. And bringing up Conforto which bounces Cuddyer to the bench immediately makes the bench stronger.
Excellent post. Strengthening the bench was a huge missed opportunity in the offseason.
post, other than I disagree with it, is that more than 33% of those at-bats are from 2 guys. Herrera and Plawecki - who both project to be better than the guys they'd acquire to strengthen the "bench" and one is a backup catcher.
Monell, Kirk N, Recker, Muno, these guys all have less than 50 at-bats, they're not why the Mets offense is anemic.
It's not those guys or the bench, it's the regulars. Duda, Cuddyer, Granderson (until lately), Flores, Lagares (5 out of 8 have been pretty consistently playing) - have all been below average. If they were playing to their expectations the injury fill-ins wouldn't be dooming the team.
They need at least two bats to bring it together.
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its just absurd the talent in that rotation.
They need at least two bats to bring it together.
Yup. Hopefully Confroto is one of them.
Yup - another good reason to add another LF option and put Cuddyer into a platoon. Will be plenty of opportunities for him to find some PT, if he can earn it. Seems like he's been needing more and more days off recently anyway.
Problem is...DW is probably done, Murphy is probably gone after this year, and TdA can't be relied on to be healthy. Everyone else is either bad, outrageously streaky, or "potential." Their offense is in shambles.
Now back to the grown ups...
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When he gets hot like this, he's ridiculous. Unfortunately, equally intense cold streaks usually follow to offset them.
Yup - another good reason to add another LF option and put Cuddyer into a platoon. Will be plenty of opportunities for him to find some PT, if he can earn it. Seems like he's been needing more and more days off recently anyway.
Agreed. Cuddyer is killing us.
The big problem is that Duda is pitiful right now and I'm not sure why. Not sure if it's an injury or what because he was quite good in April/May but has just been so, so bad since.
But if we could get Duda back to what he was the 2nd half of last year and early this year, get Murphy back in the lineup and maybe get Conforto up here at some point.. maybe the offense will be more passable. It would really help if we could swing a trade (not a blockbuster, just a mid-scale trade that gets us depth and a decent player)
Frustrating to have a staff this good and just have a lineup so deficient.
Now back to the grown ups...
Threatening to kill somebody. F'off psycho
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Yesterday's game was so nice without you...wish you would have stayed there.
Now back to the grown ups...
Threatening to kill somebody. F'off psycho
Please explain how I threatened to kill you, liar. I'll wait.
They need more regular day bat and a bench. I think the pitchers should be bench bat considerations b/c they're showing more promise than the current bench.
If Duda is fine, hopefully he can make the right adjustments. It's weird that he just suddenly hit a snag and has been in a mega black hole since but we desperately need him to hit like he was before if we're going to have any chance here.
Do they know they are a part of a potentially historic rotation or are they just fed up with the lack of offense? Maybe both? Interesting stuff though.
Sandy said he's got 1 bullet, he's willing to overpay and we know he's had conversations with Oakland. Maybe it's yet another banana in the tailpipe, but short of something unexpected coming along I suspect he deals some combination of Reynolds/Montero/Robles/Fulmer/Mejia for 1 of them. Worst case scenario he has to get a Parra type of guy.
If Flores is going to be the 2nd baseman and they can solidify 3rd then Herera is a trade chip for SS (maybe).
IDK, they need to add offense somewhere, somehow and at least by 2016.
If Duda is fine, hopefully he can make the right adjustments. It's weird that he just suddenly hit a snag and has been in a mega black hole since but we desperately need him to hit like he was before if we're going to have any chance here.
Last year I thought it was a foregone conclusion Bogaerts would be moved off SS. this year he's been better, so I guess there's a shot.
Wheeler's injury hurts for a lot of reasons, but among them is the fact I had him pegged as the guy to trade. I like him, but I viewed his ceiling as lower than Thor, Matz, or Harvey, wasn't sure about deGrom. Now I view Wheeler as probably less than deGrom too.
but he still has top of the rotation upside, so it's not some huge gap.
it's a conundrum, I don't want to trade any of Harvey, Thor, deGrom or Matz, but how do you get a big bat otherwise.
Beane does like to make moves.
lol - the thought of him at 3rd crossed my mind. How to keep an injury prone player healthy (he's already going to be 27).
He has to stay on the field.
I don't disagree - this team needs a Gomez/Upton/Tulo type of presence playing every day. I just don't think it's realistically happening right now. Honestly don't think it will happen unless Wright retires.
He's having a good, but not great year, he has a lingering thumb injury that seems more nuisance than injury, he's probably achieved some level of persona non grata in Milwaukee, and he's got some very public baggage.
A change of scenery might be best for both parties there, and the Brewers are bad again.
And the Brewers apparently would like to move him and not eat any of his salary.
On the Mets he can play OF or 3B.
Not sure what it takes to get that done. If it can somehow be without Thor, Matz, Harvey or DeGrom I do it in a heartbeat.
I don't see the Mets ownership adding that cash though. He's owed 100M or so. But he's 36/37 when the contract ends, not one that goes into his later 30's/40 year old season like some of them.
AGREE
The Mets have gotten 617 ABs - or about 25 percent of the non-pitcher ABs - from these 8 players: Ceciliani, Mayberry, Herrera, Plawecki, Campbell, Recker, Muno, Monell, and Nieuwenhuis.
Combined they have a .181 batting average. I can't be bothered to run the other numbers but needless to say that's absolutely dreadful when a quarter of your position player ABs have resulted in a .181 BA.
So while getting a slugger would be great, strengthening the bench would be a much more cost effective way to improve the offense. Getting guys healthy will of course help too. And bringing up Conforto which bounces Cuddyer to the bench immediately makes the bench stronger.
Upton is an ideal target but not at a 189 to 200 million pricetag. I know that's what he'll command but I just don't think he's worth that much. Plus he strikes out a lot. But he's young.
What we needed was a healthy David Wright.
If Wright retires, which I doubt unless he has another setback, I think they'd have to go after Upton. If he doesn't retire I'd be ok with them going after some combo of a solid regular SS (Desmond may be a steal after this shitty season) and a mid-tier OF (like Spann, Zobrist or Fowler). The need for 2 bats is accounting for the likelihood Murphy is gone as well, with Herrera or Flores playing 2B.
The Mets have gotten 617 ABs - or about 25 percent of the non-pitcher ABs - from these 8 players: Ceciliani, Mayberry, Herrera, Plawecki, Campbell, Recker, Muno, Monell, and Nieuwenhuis.
Combined they have a .181 batting average. I can't be bothered to run the other numbers but needless to say that's absolutely dreadful when a quarter of your position player ABs have resulted in a .181 BA.
So while getting a slugger would be great, strengthening the bench would be a much more cost effective way to improve the offense. Getting guys healthy will of course help too. And bringing up Conforto which bounces Cuddyer to the bench immediately makes the bench stronger.
Excellent post. Strengthening the bench was a huge missed opportunity in the offseason.
Four studs is more than enough. Teams don't go through five starters in the playoffs anyway.
One stud pitcher for a stud bat increases the likelihood of success rather than an extra pitcher every five days and one less bat everyday.
Monell, Kirk N, Recker, Muno, these guys all have less than 50 at-bats, they're not why the Mets offense is anemic.
It's not those guys or the bench, it's the regulars. Duda, Cuddyer, Granderson (until lately), Flores, Lagares (5 out of 8 have been pretty consistently playing) - have all been below average. If they were playing to their expectations the injury fill-ins wouldn't be dooming the team.