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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 8:01 am
Pistons free agent center Greg Monroe said Sunday he will meet with five teams this week, including the Knicks, and said he wants to play for a club ready to win. He also seemed to be campaigning to stay in his hometown.
Monroe, who is from Louisiana, said at his basketball clinic in New Orleans hes looking for a two-year deal with an opt-out after one season to take advantage of the coming rise of the salary cap.
According to the Baton Rouge (La.) Advocate, Monroe will speak with the Knicks, Celtics, Bucks, and Blazers with the Pistons out of the picture. Free agency begins Wednesday.
Im looking to be with a team thats ready to win, Monroe told the newspaper. Hopefully it will be a team where Im the missing piece.-NYPOST


Meanwhile, USA Today reports that the Mavericks, Lakers, and Knicks will join the Clippers in holding meetings with Jordan, while the Bucks unfortunately for the were unable to pique the big man's interest.

The 26-year-old free agent center who spent his first seven seasons with the Clippers is clearly giving serious thought to changing jerseys, as three people with knowledge of his situation said he is expected to meet with at least four teams the Clippers, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks in the first few days of free agency. The meetings are expected to take place in the Los Angeles office where Jordan's representatives, Dan Fegan and Happy Walters of Relativity Sports, are based. The people spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the process.

NJ.com

Jeremy Lin, who was the most celebrated athlete in New York in 2011 when he became a surprise starter with the Knicks and ignited "Linsanity," could be returning to New York during free agency.

The point guard, who, while playing for the Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Lakers, hasn't achieved the success he had in New York, could be a Knicks target as they look for inexpensive, short-term players to form a bridge to the future during a total rebuilding of the organization.

When he returned to the Garden with the Lakers in April, Lin played 24 minutes and scored just four points in a 92-80 loss.

"Every time I come back, I always have great memories," Lin said then. "I remember those great times. I'm always thankful. Coming back to New York with these fans at the Garden, that was very special to me and I'll always cherish that."


Caron Butler

After his release from the Milwaukee Bucks before July 1, Caron Butler has emerged as a candidate for the Chicago Bulls, Los Angeles Clippers and San Antonio Spurs, a league source told RealGM.

The Lakers and New York Knicks also expect to make an inquiry on Butler, a 13-year NBA veteran who has averaged 14.3 points and 5.1 rebounds for his career.


David Aldridge & #10004;@daldridgetnt
An under the radar free agent will be Dallas' Al-Faroqu Aminu. Sked to visit NYK, BOS, POR, TOR & NOP, w/Mavs still in mix.
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Yikes  
MookGiants : 6/29/2015 10:10 pm : link
12 million for Afflalo?? Woof
Afflalo at 36-38?  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:13 pm : link
Just why?
wow  
TommyWiseau : 6/29/2015 10:13 pm : link
12 million a season? Much rather go with Green who will probably be cheaper.
Woooooof.  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2015 10:14 pm : link
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I know Woj is th ebest in the business  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:17 pm : link
but i find that hard to believe and i am not going to freak out with every report...we saw that with the draft
Oh wait  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:18 pm : link
that's not Woj's report at all. His report is that the Knicks "are emerging as the frontrunners to sign free-agent guard Arron Afflalo" according to "league sources".

Re the money, he says:
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With Monroe expecting to command a maximum contract on the market, Afflalo could earn a deal in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million, league sources said.


So people not affiliated with the Knicks say we're the front runners, and point out that if we sign Monroe we still have enough left to pay Afflalo 36-38. Not that we'd give him that much.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:18 pm : link
Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel
You can only keep Phil Jackson down for so long. My sources tell me the Knicks will have a free-agent hauling, with Monroe leading the way.
Why would anyone believe that when teams can't even talk to players?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 10:18 pm : link
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RE: ..  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:21 pm : link
In comment 12348640 nygiants16 said:
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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel
You can only keep Phil Jackson down for so long. My sources tell me the Knicks will have a free-agent hauling, with Monroe leading the way.


His sources...

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Gery Woelfel ‏@GeryWoelfel Jun 25

If half of the rumors I've heard today are true, it's going to be one of the wildest NBA drafts in history. NBA fans, fasten your seat belts
Deej, not surprised that CBSSportsline would make more  
yatqb : 6/29/2015 10:21 pm : link
of this than Woj said.
In year 2 of afflalos deal  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 10:24 pm : link
The cap will be 34% higher than it is now. In year 3, the cap will be over 60% higher than it is now. In the 3rd year of this deal, 12 million dollars will be roughly 11% of the cap, or the 2015 cap equivalent of about a 7 million dollar contract. People's perceptions of overpay/underpay are going to have to change with the times, because it's impossible to hold contracts to the same standards when the landscape is changing at warp speed.

Don't feel strongly about this one way or the other. I would prefer Green at that price if possible though

Phil doesnt leak  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:25 pm : link
It's not even clear that he has consistent, coherent thoughts. But every hack in the country feels like between Phil and Melo you can just say whatever the fuck you want. So you prove wrong. In the age of twitter, everyone gets one (or 90% of it) wrong. No biggie.

Woj is special. He is a fantastic reporter. When he gets news I believe it. But as of now he's just reporting on league sources rumors, not what is gonna happen.
Knicks will meet thursday  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:26 pm : link
with Aldridge...they are his last team
If we're signing Monroe  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:29 pm : link
I'd rather use the remaining nut on a bunch of guys. But in any event, short of Aldridge I'd rather not sign guys who will spend most of their deals in their 30s. There are a lot of young guys who could still get better, and Afflalo isnt one of them. He might get better by limiting his game to only what he is best at or being the 5th wheel, but he is what he is.
Makes sense  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:31 pm : link

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14s14 seconds ago
The Knicks will not be extending a qualifying offer to forward Quincy Acy, which makes him an unrestricted free agent, source told Yahoo.
RE: Phil doesnt leak  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:32 pm : link
In comment 12348650 Deej said:
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It's not even clear that he has consistent, coherent thoughts. But every hack in the country feels like between Phil and Melo you can just say whatever the fuck you want. So you prove wrong. In the age of twitter, everyone gets one (or 90% of it) wrong. No biggie.

Woj is special. He is a fantastic reporter. When he gets news I believe it. But as of now he's just reporting on league sources rumors, not what is gonna happen.


Woj has great sources but even he doesnt have sources close to Phil...when Phil was being hired by the Knicks he said Knicks ha dno chace to get him and the next day Phil was hired....
I'm not worried about  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:33 pm : link
what Afflalo's contract looks like in 2 years, I'm worried about what that prevents us from doing now. If we do end up with Monroe, we are then left with 0 rim protection if Calderon is not moved. That's means we will have to get one next year ala Ian Mahinimi or Roy Hibbert. Yuck.

Signing Afflalo at 30 is a "win now" move and you can't win now if there's no rim protection and it's not like we have the defensive versatility to play small ball.
RE: I'm not worried about  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 10:44 pm : link
In comment 12348656 giantsfan44ab said:
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what Afflalo's contract looks like in 2 years, I'm worried about what that prevents us from doing now. If we do end up with Monroe, we are then left with 0 rim protection if Calderon is not moved. That's means we will have to get one next year ala Ian Mahinimi or Roy Hibbert. Yuck.

Signing Afflalo at 30 is a "win now" move and you can't win now if there's no rim protection and it's not like we have the defensive versatility to play small ball.


The eventual cap rise is baked into the cake in all of these negotiations though. Everyone on that rough Afflalo tier is going to get paid similarly. Danny Green may even be slightly north of that. If you aren't interested in chasing those guys that's fine, but it was a pipe dream to expect to get either of those guys south of double digit millions annually. 27 million was never going to address quite as many needs as some thought
Geez Aldridge is meeting with 7 teams  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:47 pm : link
only 2 from the east
Danny Green is young and better  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:49 pm : link
than Afflalo, so I could stomach 12-13 million for him pretty easily, especially for 4-5 years. 38 mill for AA doesnt make sense for this team (or anyone, but especially this team).
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:54 pm : link
Ohm Youngmisuk ‏@NotoriousOHM 1m1 minute ago
Sources tell @Chris_Broussard Melo is recruiting LaMarcus Aldridge + DeAndre Jordan and both have NYK in their top 4
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Anakim : 6/29/2015 10:55 pm : link
Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 3m3 minutes ago
Lakers & Rockets get the first crack at LaMarcus on Tuesday night. Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Raptors are in Wednesday. Knicks on Thursday.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:55 pm : link
Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 42s42 seconds ago
Sense I get from latest calls is Marc Gasol, Kevin Love & Millsap are staying put. Aldridge, Monroe & DJ are in play
I'm glad the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2015 10:56 pm : link
get the last crack at Aldridge. I'm under no illusions about our chances to land him, but I trust Phil to make a good pitch - weakness of the East, his fit in the offense, etc. Can San Antonio just go the fuck away already?
Deej  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 10:57 pm : link
That 36 mil is more like 27 mil by the contract standards we are accustomed to though, adjusting for cap inflation over the final 2 years of it. I wouldn't do backflips but I don't believe it's a gross overpay either. The cap will jump more between 2015 and 2018 than it jumped between 1997 and 2015. We can't keep looking at these contracts the same way and applying the same standards we are accustomed to, everything is different
David West update  
Anakim : 6/29/2015 10:58 pm : link
Bob Kravitz ‏@bkravitz 7m7 minutes ago
Just checked and still no official word on David west and his reported decision to opt out. Has 1159 pm deadline. Stay tuned. Or go to bed..
RE: Deej  
Deej : 6/29/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12348674 MarshallOnMontana said:
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That 36 mil is more like 27 mil by the contract standards we are accustomed to though, adjusting for cap inflation over the final 2 years of it. I wouldn't do backflips but I don't believe it's a gross overpay either. The cap will jump more between 2015 and 2018 than it jumped between 1997 and 2015. We can't keep looking at these contracts the same way and applying the same standards we are accustomed to, everything is different


Thanks. Im not stupid. I understand how cap inflation works.

I dont think Afflalo is worth 9 million at old money for the coming seasons. The guy just never developed and IMO is more name than game changer. When he was 26 he was worth this contract or more. But now what are you paying for?
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Anakim : 6/29/2015 11:09 pm : link
NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 2m2 minutes ago
LaMarcus Aldridge is leaning towards signing with the Lakers, reports the LA Times. A lot can change from now until free agency begins.
just realized Aldridge was drafted with the pick  
wigs in nyc : 6/29/2015 11:14 pm : link
NYK sent to Chicago for Eddy Curry. C'mon full circle.
You're gonna hear a lot of bullshit in the next 24 hours  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 11:17 pm : link
It'll be worse than the draft. Don't go insane.
MoM I fully understand that  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 11:19 pm : link
but the cap hasn't risen yet. That means if you get Afflalo and Monroe, thats it. You can't get another impact player. Zero. Zip. I've said it before many times and I'll say it again. This is the best year in terms of defensive anchors in free agency. You can't get one next year. You can get a bunch of SGs that are much better than Afflalo next year AND they are younger than 27. Doesn't make sense to tie your shoes together like that.
Given the lack of flexibility  
GMEN46 : 6/29/2015 11:25 pm : link
I would love deandre Jordan and Danny green this year. And if it's possible to move Calderon, would love to add David west on a 1 or two year deal to let kristapas ease into playing time. Give jerian grant a chance to start at pg and resign shved and Galloway.

Wouldn't mind a starting 5 of the following:

Grant
Green
Melo
West
Deandre Jordan

Bench
Shved
Kristapas
Galloway
The second Ed pick from last year can't remember his name
Vet min
Vet min

I know it's not the greatest team but you get younger with deandre and green who both play above average defense. You get a savy veteran in west. Then next year you go all out for Conley, assuming no chance at durant.
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David in LA : 6/29/2015 11:27 pm : link
In comment 12348678 Anakim said:
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NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 2m2 minutes ago
LaMarcus Aldridge is leaning towards signing with the Lakers, reports the LA Times. A lot can change from now until free agency begins.


Please make this happen!
RE: Come on guys  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/29/2015 11:35 pm : link
In comment 12347469 Carl in CT said:
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Stick to Knicks stuff. Let those New JERSEY Net fans talk somewhere else.

Yeah, this thread is for the CONNECTICUT Knicks, amirite?
44Ab  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 11:37 pm : link
I haven't looked deep into next years free agent crop, but the Knicks were never going to address every need in one offseason. I don't think it's this offseason of bust for finding a rim protector. And this offseason with gasol likely off the table, Deandre Jordan is the only potential anchor who really alters the Knicks current standing in the league to a degree worth noting.

I wouldn't mind Hibbert on the cheap at all next season either by the way. Same guy at half the current salary is a steal, he's a legitimate anchor defensively who has had multiple number 1 defenses built around his paint protection and mastery of the verticality concept.
Still don't see how  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 11:40 pm : link
the Lakers are a surefire playoff team with Aldridge and whoever else they can get with the rest of their cap.

Is Kobe, assuming he plays in 60 games, really any more effective than Lillard at this point? Assuming they get a defensive center, this team is just a worse version of Portland last year with a much shittier coach.

Is Russell as a rookie going to be better than Matthews, Afflalo and Batum combined?

Seriously, does anyone realize how bad this defense is going to be? I get Lillard was bad but theres no way Russell was any better, and Matthews and Batum are defensive specialists. Aldridge is mediocre at best. This is 8th seed material. Maybe they are hoping to recruit better players with Aldridge but this team is not contending, let alone winning a championship, anytime soon.
it says something  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 11:42 pm : link
that all these teams meeting with Aldridge are doing so in Los Angeles. I think the Rockets getting that 2nd meeting with LMA in LA says a ton since all the teams are going to be meeting in the same place.

I knew Aldridge liked the Rockets better than what was being reported all season (LMAO at all the LMA-Mavs talk compared to no LMA-HOU talk... common sense people), but it's still great to see the Rockets be officially linked to him as the team getting the 2nd meeting on the 1st night.

Aldridge is 30 and the Rockets give him a far better chance to win over the next 3 years than the Lakers do. Should be a simple enough sell. I'd prefer Aldridge goes to the Lakers over the Spurs though if it's not Houston.
Hibbert will be 30 next year  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 11:45 pm : link
and his lack of ability to run the floor really limits his effectiveness. I'd rather go after a young center that has a shot at being a great defender on a small contract, like koufus or O'quinn. Afflalo had 1 year with a PER above 15 and that was the anomaly year where he was by far the best player in the league. He is not a league average SG at this point, and $12 million indicates he is worth twice the average SG this year, and would still be paid higher than the MLE each of the 2 following years. You really think hes going to improve to live up to that contract?
Don't think it was obvious that  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 11:47 pm : link
Aldridge to Houston was a thing. Who else is going to be on the roster if they gut the entire thing to get him to sign? It entails cutting Ariza, Brewer, Jones and D-Mo among a few other pieces.
RE: Don't think it was obvious that  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 11:53 pm : link
In comment 12348710 giantsfan44ab said:
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Aldridge to Houston was a thing. Who else is going to be on the roster if they gut the entire thing to get him to sign? It entails cutting Ariza, Brewer, Jones and D-Mo among a few other pieces.


If we don't have to get rid of DMo, then I'm fine giving up on the other 3 guys + trash for Aldridge.

And the Rockets can keep DMo from what I'm seeing. Ariza's deal being so damn attractive is going to help them out.
I wouldn't mind taking Terrence Jones off the rockets hands  
Stu11 : 6/29/2015 11:56 pm : link
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and imo  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 11:58 pm : link
it really should've been obvious that Aldridge's 2nd Texas team was Houston not Dallas. Aldridge being from Dallas is literally the only reason that move makes sense. An old Dirk/LMA frontcourt would be awful together. Parsons is not a star. Why would LMA choose to go to a team where the 2nd best player would be forced to come off the bench because he can't play next to him (Dirk).

It's cute that Aldridge is giving the Mavs a meeting, not surprised that a star player wants to see what kind of pitch Cuban can make during FA. But that was always a joke destination for LMA.

It's the Spurs, Lakers, and Rockets for LMA in that order imo. Or Portland, but I doubt he goes back.
I'm not crazy about the potential Afflalo deal  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/30/2015 12:03 am : link
I just don't think it's some gross overpay to allot to what amounts to about 12% of your available cap dollars during the life of the contract to him, which is what 36 million would be over these 3 years. Whether you consider him a league average SG or not depends heavily on how you view him defensively, and I think he's a little better on that end than some of the advanced stats would suggest. The post melo nuggets and the 2014 Orlando magic haven't exactly been top league pass teams for me though (or for anyone else if we are being honest) so my personal exposure hasn't been as in depth as most players who have been in the league as long as he has. I've always liked his game from afar though to a point.

I used to think of Afflalo as a plus defender  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 12:09 am : link
but I dont think hes anything special on that end. He's not terrible but he's not a lockdown defender either. And if you want to talk about his contract in 2 years, you should mention his defense in 2 years, because if the numbers don't support that end of his game now it's not going to be any better when he is 33.
And you said you haven't looked at  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 12:12 am : link
next years FA crop. I suggest you do. An afflalo signing means we are going to win now. It is important to have a center if we are going to win now. I don't care about what % his salary is going to be in 2 years, I care about who he prevents us from getting this year and next year. If you could figure that out, I'd be somewhat alright with it. But it doesn't look like thats likely.
44ab  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/30/2015 12:24 am : link
You are basically painting this as Jordan or bust. I've seen you posting a lot about Biyombo, and I like Biyombo to a degree too, but if you find him a satisfactory plug in at center then you can't possibly believe that finding a center is this year or bust, because you can find players of equal or greater caliber to Biyombo all the time. And again, I think Biyombo is a useful player. But guys like him who can provide rim protection in spurts but whose other failings leave them with minutes ceilings are always available. If they do sign Biyombo he isnt a 32 minute player
RE: I'm not crazy about the potential Afflalo deal  
Lopes1984 : 6/30/2015 1:26 am : link
In comment 12348720 MarshallOnMontana said:
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I just don't think it's some gross overpay to allot to what amounts to about 12% of your available cap dollars during the life of the contract to him, which is what 36 million would be over these 3 years. Whether you consider him a league average SG or not depends heavily on how you view him defensively, and I think he's a little better on that end than some of the advanced stats would suggest. The post melo nuggets and the 2014 Orlando magic haven't exactly been top league pass teams for me though (or for anyone else if we are being honest) so my personal exposure hasn't been as in depth as most players who have been in the league as long as he has. I've always liked his game from afar though to a point.


Afflalo has had a negative DRPM the past 2 seasons. I know one stat isn't the be all end all, but it's probably not a good sign when a guys team performs better defensively when he is off the court, especially when he is best known for being a defensive stopper. He was ranked 70th among shooting guards defensively this past season and 65th the year before that.

Just for some context, he are the top 10 SGs defensively for the most recent season according to DRPM:

Khris Middleton, Nick Calathes, Elijah Milsap, Andre Roberson, Wes Matthews, Alan Anderson, Danny Green, Iman Shumpert, Manu Ginobili, Kyle Korver (lol)...so definitely a lot of the names you would expect to see, but judging by Korver making the top 10 not the perfect stat.
MoM  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2015 6:14 am : link
personally my offseason targets would be Monroe, O'quinn/Koufus, and Crowder
Lopes  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/30/2015 9:06 am : link
You're very right. Like I said, the advanced stats don't speak high of his defense. His reputation defensively exceeds those impact stats, perhaps errantly. When I watch him though I've always seen a competitive guy with a high activity level.

i find that afflalo had a good stretch  
hitdog42 : 6/30/2015 9:16 am : link
of outperformance -- but for the most part is not much better then a rich mans alan Anderson.

that is a useful player but not a 9m player
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