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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 8:01 am
Pistons free agent center Greg Monroe said Sunday he will meet with five teams this week, including the Knicks, and said he wants to play for a club ready to win. He also seemed to be campaigning to stay in his hometown.
Monroe, who is from Louisiana, said at his basketball clinic in New Orleans hes looking for a two-year deal with an opt-out after one season to take advantage of the coming rise of the salary cap.
According to the Baton Rouge (La.) Advocate, Monroe will speak with the Knicks, Celtics, Bucks, and Blazers with the Pistons out of the picture. Free agency begins Wednesday.
Im looking to be with a team thats ready to win, Monroe told the newspaper. Hopefully it will be a team where Im the missing piece.-NYPOST


Meanwhile, USA Today reports that the Mavericks, Lakers, and Knicks will join the Clippers in holding meetings with Jordan, while the Bucks unfortunately for the were unable to pique the big man's interest.

The 26-year-old free agent center who spent his first seven seasons with the Clippers is clearly giving serious thought to changing jerseys, as three people with knowledge of his situation said he is expected to meet with at least four teams the Clippers, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks in the first few days of free agency. The meetings are expected to take place in the Los Angeles office where Jordan's representatives, Dan Fegan and Happy Walters of Relativity Sports, are based. The people spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the process.

NJ.com

Jeremy Lin, who was the most celebrated athlete in New York in 2011 when he became a surprise starter with the Knicks and ignited "Linsanity," could be returning to New York during free agency.

The point guard, who, while playing for the Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Lakers, hasn't achieved the success he had in New York, could be a Knicks target as they look for inexpensive, short-term players to form a bridge to the future during a total rebuilding of the organization.

When he returned to the Garden with the Lakers in April, Lin played 24 minutes and scored just four points in a 92-80 loss.

"Every time I come back, I always have great memories," Lin said then. "I remember those great times. I'm always thankful. Coming back to New York with these fans at the Garden, that was very special to me and I'll always cherish that."


Caron Butler

After his release from the Milwaukee Bucks before July 1, Caron Butler has emerged as a candidate for the Chicago Bulls, Los Angeles Clippers and San Antonio Spurs, a league source told RealGM.

The Lakers and New York Knicks also expect to make an inquiry on Butler, a 13-year NBA veteran who has averaged 14.3 points and 5.1 rebounds for his career.


David Aldridge & #10004;@daldridgetnt
An under the radar free agent will be Dallas' Al-Faroqu Aminu. Sked to visit NYK, BOS, POR, TOR & NOP, w/Mavs still in mix.
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RE: Actually really starting to think  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12347444 giantsfan44ab said:
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Can Cleveland still offer that Brendan Haywood expiring? Because I think Tyreke Evans is exactly the type of player they want coming off the bench to spell Kyrie.


Technically yes, but I think I read a projection that paying someone that $10 million would likely push Cleveland's tax bill from low $20s to $50-55 million. Add in the salary itself and you're talking about paying $40-45 million cash for Evans or whoever else they might trade for. I dont see anyone they could get for Haywood's option contract as being worth that money to an owner.
TTH...  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 10:11 am : link
i kind of agree with that, but i also wonder what the SAS and Isola's of the world are willing to "report". I mean is it Melo's third cousin twice removed? Are they twisting his words? I dont remember who it was on here that joked that Melo called THJR and said he enjoyed playing with him, hates to see him go, and good luck and Isola and SAS will report "Melo hates THJR trade, disappointed in Knicks draft"
RE: even with it being an expiring...  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:12 am : link
In comment 12347452 Italianju said:
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i see zero chance they can move gordon and not take back any money. I think a team would be stupid as hell to take the Evans contract, but a team stuck like CLE might be dumb enough to do it. Anderson seems the best case to be moved. He is a solid big who can stretch the floor. If NO was literally going to give him away then i think teams would take him. This would also make Asik available, i still think he would be a good fit for us,


Either way I think if they really wanted Monroe I don't think it would be hard for him. What else is Cleveland going to get with that Haywood expiring? They are loaded with bigs and they learned how useless it is to have 3 point shooters if you only have 1 guy who can create shots on the floor. Evans is very flawed but he can still get buckets and make plays despite his lack of 3 point shooting. What other options does Cleveland have with the expiring? I'm sure NO would get rid of him if they got an offer and he only has 2 years left and its not like Cleveland can add major free agents over the next 3 years anyways.
Stein  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 10:13 am : link
Story going online now: ESPN sources say Nets and Grizzlies recently discussed a Joe Johnson-to-Memphis trade
10:09am - 29 Jun 15
Isiah would have taken Gordon.  
BeerFridge : 6/29/2015 10:13 am : link
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Well if it causes that much of  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:14 am : link
a tax penalty than I could see why. But anything for Lebron, am I right?
Haywood article  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:14 am : link
Summer trade of Brendan Haywood could carry 300% tax rate for Cavs
RE: Stein  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:15 am : link
In comment 12347459 DanMetroMan said:
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Story going online now: ESPN sources say Nets and Grizzlies recently discussed a Joe Johnson-to-Memphis trade
10:09am - 29 Jun 15


Vince returns!!!!
I think there is no doubt SAS made it up  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:15 am : link
he was on SC in the morning after the draft and mentioned nothing about talking to source close to Carmelo Anthony and then a half hour later mentions he has talked to people close to Melo during the draft and Melo was pissed...

So if you didnt have a source on sportscenter how do you have a source half hour later?

nothing to see  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:15 am : link
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m4 minutes ago
Sources say teams could not find workable trade framework, but Nets came away encouraged they'll ultimately find trade taker for J-Johnson
Come on guys  
Carl in CT : 6/29/2015 10:17 am : link
Stick to Knicks stuff. Let those New JERSEY Net fans talk somewhere else.
Wonder how they make a JJ trade work  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:18 am : link
they'd have to trade Green, Allen, Lee and Carter to make the salaries work...I don't think JJ is that much of an improvement of Green at this point doesn't look like a good trade in my view.
and of course ESPN will not talk about  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:18 am : link
Melo meeting with Porzingis today and getting a workout in with him because that doesnt fit their agenda...you think SAS is going to say something about them meeting? he will probably say Melo came away dissapointed...
RE: Come on guys  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:19 am : link
In comment 12347469 Carl in CT said:
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Stick to Knicks stuff. Let those New JERSEY Net fans talk somewhere else.


lol. I like how Memphis plays ball and JJ in a vacuum could help them out...but not at that cost
Maybe it's my pessimism about our depth  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:24 am : link
(I dont believe in almost everyone on our roster) or my dislike for the better UFAs we're linked to, but I'd be pretty putting a significant chunk of that money into a poo poo platter of multiple guys like Aminu, Biyambo, and Kanter.

I always want guys who are a decent bet to outplay their salary. The superstars are the best of that group, since they're not getting a "fair" salary due to the max contract rule. Im kind of blech on guys like Monroe, Matthews, and Green if you're giving them deals that they probably cant outperform. So get some of the guys in the next tiers, so long as they are projectable.
For the people quick to get rid of Calderon  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:27 am : link
for as slim of a chnce as it is the Knicks are not going to get rid of him unless they are officially out of the Gasol sweepstakes...

Having Calderon on the roster is almost like having Pau on the roster as a recruiter...

Once Marc resigns with Memphis or signs somewhere else they are not going to stretch or trade Calderon..
That should say  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:28 am : link
Until Marc resigns or signs with someone else they are not going to get rid of Calderon...
We don't really have any outside shooting  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 10:28 am : link
Kinda seems like there's absolutely a need for Calderon and more guys with his skillset.
RE: Stop listening to ESPN  
TheMick7 : 6/29/2015 10:29 am : link
In comment 12347430 nygiants16 said:
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Mike Greenburg is a moron is living on SAS's word...

Carmelo Anthony said he is excited about Porzingis and is meeting with him today and plans to get a little workout in as well with him... Link - ( New Window )


Agree that MG is not the brightest bulb but Melo never refuted what SAS said-he never called him out on it! Now Melo is doing damage control because FAs are not going to want to come to a house divided!
before we leave on the topic of Joe Johnson  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:31 am : link
Anyone see a fit in Detroit? Jennings + Meeks could probably get it done.
RE: RE: Stop listening to ESPN  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:31 am : link
In comment 12347491 TheMick7 said:
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Mike Greenburg is a moron is living on SAS's word...

Carmelo Anthony said he is excited about Porzingis and is meeting with him today and plans to get a little workout in as well with him... Link - ( New Window )



Agree that MG is not the brightest bulb but Melo never refuted what SAS said-he never called him out on it! Now Melo is doing damage control because FAs are not going to want to come to a house divided!


So him saying he never said anything and basically stop listening to the media is not refuting it? him saying he is going to meet with Porzingis today is not refuting it?
Deej...  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 10:32 am : link
why are you including Kanter on that list? He finished out the year awesome and is going to get a pretty good deal from MEM (He is UFA). Those others u list are fine, but they should be plan C type guys. Our depth will be a combo of young guys and vets on min deals.

Carl we always discuss all nba news, not sure why it bothers you so much. Most of this news can effect the knicks one way or another.
SAS  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:33 am : link
also said Melo was leaving last summer. To the extent he isnt fabricating his sources, it's at least likely that his sources with Melo are shitty. Like someone who knows Melo's uncle, kinda.
I wouldn't worry about this stuff either way. Melo probably was  
BeerFridge : 6/29/2015 10:34 am : link
pissed he got more of a project than other guys that were available. And now, he's probably publicly saying the right things, which is something he's pretty good at doing.

Melo's got a big contract and isn't going anywhere soon. His job now should be talking guys into coming to play with him.
doubt Calderon makes any difference  
giants#1 : 6/29/2015 10:34 am : link
in recruiting Gasol.

If I'm Phil, I try selling Gasol (or Aldridge) on how poor the East is. Instead of having to go through SA and GS and Hou and OKC and on and on, all you really have to go through in the East is Cleveland. Add a 3rd piece to Gasol/Melo and you're a top 3-4 seed in the East.
He has said before in previous incidences that if you don't hear it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 10:36 am : link
from him, it's not real.


RE: Deej...  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:36 am : link
In comment 12347496 Italianju said:
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why are you including Kanter on that list? He finished out the year awesome and is going to get a pretty good deal from MEM (He is UFA). Those others u list are fine, but they should be plan C type guys. Our depth will be a combo of young guys and vets on min deals.


You mean OKC? I'm pretty sure he is restricted though is he not?
RE: before we leave on the topic of Joe Johnson  
hitdog42 : 6/29/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12347493 giantsfan44ab said:
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Anyone see a fit in Detroit? Jennings + Meeks could probably get it done.


Detroit was always a potential suitor but hard to see that happening now-- their were rumors mid season before the Jackson deal.

I hope the nets just compete for the usual 5-8 seed this year and let him expire--- so if they trade him it should be mid season to a contender looking for rental.
Yeah kanter will get a decent deal  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:37 am : link
why MEM and not OKC?

As for hyper cheap depth, it rarely works. And my idea is more to sign some depth guys and shoot for home runs. Maybe Aminu and Biyambo propel us to the playoffs, or bring back an awesome return from a contender at the deadline.
RE: RE: RE: Stop listening to ESPN  
TheMick7 : 6/29/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12347495 nygiants16 said:
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Mike Greenburg is a moron is living on SAS's word...

Carmelo Anthony said he is excited about Porzingis and is meeting with him today and plans to get a little workout in as well with him... Link - ( New Window )



Agree that MG is not the brightest bulb but Melo never refuted what SAS said-he never called him out on it! Now Melo is doing damage control because FAs are not going to want to come to a house divided!



So him saying he never said anything and basically stop listening to the media is not refuting it? him saying he is going to meet with Porzingis today is not refuting it?


No,it's not! He's been using SAS as his mouthpiece forever because this way the words did not come directly from his mouth. Thus, it's easy for him to refute what was "allegedly" said because he denies he said it. We've played this game before. Why do you think he's working out w/KP today! Positive media 2 days before FA. He knows he shot himself in the foot & now is sending out the message all is right in Knicks Land!
RE: He has said before in previous incidences that if you don't hear it  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12347502 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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from him, it's not real.



Yeah people like to ignore this...i wouldnt be surprised if the only people that are really in his circle, are Lala, his son and then his NBA friends, i would be surprised if he has entourage at this stage like he used to...
Wow i jacked that up....  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 10:40 am : link
trying to work and post at the same time. I meant OKC and (RFA). Jeezus that was bad.
Yeah  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:41 am : link
no chance Kanter leaves OKC. They started clearing salary out for him already (gave Lamb away for nothing). I think he's the missing offensive piece they haven't had since Harden left, and he is arguably a better fit because he is the only post presence they have had since Durant's been with the franchise.

Assuming LA goes to the Spurs, I think the top 3 of the west is going to be GSW, OKC, and SAS in some order.
RE: Yeah kanter will get a decent deal  
BeerFridge : 6/29/2015 10:41 am : link
In comment 12347507 Deej said:
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why MEM and not OKC?

As for hyper cheap depth, it rarely works. And my idea is more to sign some depth guys and shoot for home runs. Maybe Aminu and Biyambo propel us to the playoffs, or bring back an awesome return from a contender at the deadline.

Biyambo sucks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stop listening to ESPN  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12347510 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 12347495 nygiants16 said:





So him saying he never said anything and basically stop listening to the media is not refuting it? him saying he is going to meet with Porzingis today is not refuting it?



No,it's not! He's been using SAS as his mouthpiece forever because this way the words did not come directly from his mouth. Thus, it's easy for him to refute what was "allegedly" said because he denies he said it. We've played this game before. Why do you think he's working out w/KP today! Positive media 2 days before FA. He knows he shot himself in the foot & now is sending out the message all is right in Knicks Land!


and people like you are the reason SAS and Isola have jobs...your gullible and believe anything you hear in the media and immediately kill the player...

Sorry i do not trust SAS and Isola's "sources"


When Melo himself says he is excited about the pick and is excited to meet him today, i will take his word for it rather than SAS's sources...
RE: Wow i jacked that up....  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:42 am : link
In comment 12347513 Italianju said:
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trying to work and post at the same time. I meant OKC and (RFA). Jeezus that was bad.


You get off with a warning this time Italian. Work? C'mon man.
And if SAS is Melo's "mouthpiece"  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:44 am : link
how come he has never ever broken anything when it comes to Melo?

Name the one story he has been right about when it comes to Melo..

and if he is Melo's mouthpiece he sure portrays Melo as a selfish money hungry player..why would Melo want that? usually a mouthpiece talks good about that player, that is the whole point of a mouth piece..
RE: And if SAS is Melo's  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 10:46 am : link
In comment 12347523 nygiants16 said:
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how come he has never ever broken anything when it comes to Melo?

Name the one story he has been right about when it comes to Melo..


Last year I am pretty sure he said Melo has no chance of staying in NY.
16 there is a very good chance  
hitdog42 : 6/29/2015 10:47 am : link
Melo had a 1 off reaction to the pick and made a comment that then got back to some media dope... and they ran with that... but like most everyone with regards to the knicks pick... views have warmed up as time has progressed and people have actually looked into the player himself vs. other options.

So its likely both people are right... 1) melo was frustrated for a gut reaction... 2) Melo is happy with the pick and moving forward with the kid.

RE: RE: And if SAS is Melo's  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:47 am : link
In comment 12347525 giantsfan44ab said:
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how come he has never ever broken anything when it comes to Melo?

Name the one story he has been right about when it comes to Melo..



Last year I am pretty sure he said Melo has no chance of staying in NY.


Yeah then he said well Melo really lvoes his money so he will stay in New York for the money if he stays...

If I am Melo why would i want that guy being my mouthpiece?
RE: 16 there is a very good chance  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:49 am : link
In comment 12347529 hitdog42 said:
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Melo had a 1 off reaction to the pick and made a comment that then got back to some media dope... and they ran with that... but like most everyone with regards to the knicks pick... views have warmed up as time has progressed and people have actually looked into the player himself vs. other options.

So its likely both people are right... 1) melo was frustrated for a gut reaction... 2) Melo is happy with the pick and moving forward with the kid.


I have no disagreement with this but both SAS and Isola said Melo was so mad that he felt betrayed by the Knicks and SAS said he was contemplating asking for a trade...

So if that is the case both guys overexaggerated for clicks and to get a story out...so either way they made up a story to get clicks
RE: RE: Yeah kanter will get a decent deal  
Deej : 6/29/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12347518 BeerFridge said:
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Biyambo sucks.


Does he? He's 22 -- two years younger than our new rookie PG -- and from the Congo, ie raw as shit, and he's been in a bad organization. Last year his PER was 15.2 and his WS/48 was .156. Those are decidedly un-sucky numbers. While he played only 19.4 mpg, there is a lot of evidence that stats scale up. Per 36 minutes, he would have been good for 8.8 points, 11.8 rebounds, 2.9 blocks. Crappy assist and FT% #s hurt especially if he's expected to do some triangle garbage.

His advanced stats PER & WS/48 have improved each year. Bismack is on the rise.
And here is another thing  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 10:51 am : link
Melo probably was not even watching the draft, he was in vegas with his wife at her birthday party...

Also it was reported Knicks told Porzingis they were going to draft him at his workout with the Knicks, which Melo attended, so you dont think he knew what the Knicks were going to do beforehand?

Melo ha sbeen at the practice facility rehabbing, you dont think him and Phil talk or him and Mills talk?

I highly highly doubt he was surprised by the pick...
From what I know about Melo, he's a bit tough on rookies  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 10:53 am : link
He has an old-school kind of locker room mentality where 'rookies have their place'. We saw it with Hardaway Jr, and Lin and even Shumpert in some cases. He works best with veteran leaders and guys who are established.


I bet it's as simple as him having a reaction to the pick like the fans in attendance did. That's normal. What's not fair is that that somehow gets reported as him having a temper tantrum. and possibly wanting out. That's the kind of BS that gets tiresome and yet is exceedingly common.

But like I said, I feel like it's his responsibility to use a firm hand on anyone who claims to speak for or with him.
SI report  
kash94 : 6/29/2015 10:54 am : link
says the 5 teams Monroe will meet with are:
-Celtics
-Knicks
-Bucks
-Lakers
-Blazers

No mention of NO. 4 of those 5 teams can offer him a max outright and the Bucks can if they just get rid of 1-2 small contracts.

Monroe to the Bucks could be a nice fit. A lot of young, defensive players already and the addition of him and the return of Parker should help with the offense.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah kanter will get a decent deal  
BeerFridge : 6/29/2015 10:59 am : link
In comment 12347533 Deej said:
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Biyambo sucks.



Does he? He's 22 -- two years younger than our new rookie PG -- and from the Congo, ie raw as shit, and he's been in a bad organization. Last year his PER was 15.2 and his WS/48 was .156. Those are decidedly un-sucky numbers. While he played only 19.4 mpg, there is a lot of evidence that stats scale up. Per 36 minutes, he would have been good for 8.8 points, 11.8 rebounds, 2.9 blocks. Crappy assist and FT% #s hurt especially if he's expected to do some triangle garbage.

His advanced stats PER & WS/48 have improved each year. Bismack is on the rise.


Look, there's a contract value where he makes sense. He can play defense and rebound and block shots. But he sucks with the basketball in his hands. Can't pass. Can't shoot. Can't dribble. He'll never be a good offensive player. He's only a role player. Which is fine, but I was really reacting to the notion that he might "propel" the knicks anywhere. He's too one dimensional to be anything but a part timer. He's not playing for a good team at crunch time, probably ever. He fucks up the spacing on the floor because you don't even need to pretend to guard him.
I'm indifferent on Biyombo  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 11:00 am : link
2 years ago he posted the best rim protection numbers in the entire league by far (he allowed like 38% shooting at the rim, although in 19 minutes a game) and was one of the biggest reasons, if not the biggest, reasons why Charlotte had a top 3 defense that year.

On the other hand, he doesn't fit the triangle really well, and would be a bad fit if we went after Monroe.

The key to winning free agency is getting the best deals not necessarily the best players. I'd be hesitant to give tons of money to older players that don't have a future a few years down the line with this team (e.g. Danny green and Wes Matthews). If Biyombo gets a deal like 4 years for $30M, that's a no brained in my opinion.
4 years 30? Charlotte isn't even gonna give him a QO at 5  
BeerFridge : 6/29/2015 11:01 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Stop listening to ESPN  
TheMick7 : 6/29/2015 11:02 am : link
In comment 12347519 nygiants16 said:
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So him saying he never said anything and basically stop listening to the media is not refuting it? him saying he is going to meet with Porzingis today is not refuting it?



No,it's not! He's been using SAS as his mouthpiece forever because this way the words did not come directly from his mouth. Thus, it's easy for him to refute what was "allegedly" said because he denies he said it. We've played this game before. Why do you think he's working out w/KP today! Positive media 2 days before FA. He knows he shot himself in the foot & now is sending out the message all is right in Knicks Land!



and people like you are the reason SAS and Isola have jobs...your gullible and believe anything you hear in the media and immediately kill the player...

Sorry i do not trust SAS and Isola's "sources"


When Melo himself says he is excited about the pick and is excited to meet him today, i will take his word for it rather than SAS's sources...


Look, I'm not going to get into a spitting match w/you because at the end of the day, we're both Knicks fans who want the best, especially the next few weeks, for the team.

You can believe what you want, I'm certainly not going to change your mind nor you mine. Today will be a wonderful photo op as the present & future of the Knicks come together! Then let's hope that Melo does have Star-Power & can convince some of the better FAs to join him!

P.S. I agree w/you about Isola-his personal agenda against the Knicks is old & tiresome!
I don't see the fit with the bucks  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 11:05 am : link
they have Henson to play defense and Parker to score. Him and Parker would be an atrocious defensive combo. Him and Henson would screw up spacing.

Portand looks like it's in a rebuild so I don't know how attractive that situation is. They have a bunch of young guys on rookie contracts like Leonard, Plumlee and now Vonleh, and they are saying that if Aldridge goes to the Spurs, they'd do a sign and trade with Portland to send splitter over there, so they wouldn't need to give him in that situation.

The Lakers seem like an awful fit. Randle/Monroe front court would be worse than the Bucks because Randle can't provide spacing or defense.

I'm not even worried about the Celtics. It's an unattractive situation they set up for themselves.
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