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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 8:01 am
Pistons free agent center Greg Monroe said Sunday he will meet with five teams this week, including the Knicks, and said he wants to play for a club ready to win. He also seemed to be campaigning to stay in his hometown.
Monroe, who is from Louisiana, said at his basketball clinic in New Orleans hes looking for a two-year deal with an opt-out after one season to take advantage of the coming rise of the salary cap.
According to the Baton Rouge (La.) Advocate, Monroe will speak with the Knicks, Celtics, Bucks, and Blazers with the Pistons out of the picture. Free agency begins Wednesday.
Im looking to be with a team thats ready to win, Monroe told the newspaper. Hopefully it will be a team where Im the missing piece.-NYPOST


Meanwhile, USA Today reports that the Mavericks, Lakers, and Knicks will join the Clippers in holding meetings with Jordan, while the Bucks unfortunately for the were unable to pique the big man's interest.

The 26-year-old free agent center who spent his first seven seasons with the Clippers is clearly giving serious thought to changing jerseys, as three people with knowledge of his situation said he is expected to meet with at least four teams the Clippers, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks in the first few days of free agency. The meetings are expected to take place in the Los Angeles office where Jordan's representatives, Dan Fegan and Happy Walters of Relativity Sports, are based. The people spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the process.

NJ.com

Jeremy Lin, who was the most celebrated athlete in New York in 2011 when he became a surprise starter with the Knicks and ignited "Linsanity," could be returning to New York during free agency.

The point guard, who, while playing for the Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Lakers, hasn't achieved the success he had in New York, could be a Knicks target as they look for inexpensive, short-term players to form a bridge to the future during a total rebuilding of the organization.

When he returned to the Garden with the Lakers in April, Lin played 24 minutes and scored just four points in a 92-80 loss.

"Every time I come back, I always have great memories," Lin said then. "I remember those great times. I'm always thankful. Coming back to New York with these fans at the Garden, that was very special to me and I'll always cherish that."


Caron Butler

After his release from the Milwaukee Bucks before July 1, Caron Butler has emerged as a candidate for the Chicago Bulls, Los Angeles Clippers and San Antonio Spurs, a league source told RealGM.

The Lakers and New York Knicks also expect to make an inquiry on Butler, a 13-year NBA veteran who has averaged 14.3 points and 5.1 rebounds for his career.


David Aldridge & #10004;@daldridgetnt
An under the radar free agent will be Dallas' Al-Faroqu Aminu. Sked to visit NYK, BOS, POR, TOR & NOP, w/Mavs still in mix.
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RE: RE: Woj bomb  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12347990 giantsfan44ab said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Knicks are frontrunners for two free agents -- Greg Monroe and Arron Afflalo, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Those are realistic targets.



I like the sound of that, but I hope it doesn't eat up our entire cap...who is going to be our defensive anchor at the MLE or vet min?


I doubt that would be their entire cap..

Probably Monroe at 15..Affalo at around 7?

Leaves 5 million plus room exception and maybe more if they can get rid of Calderon..
10mil  
Jon in NYC : 6/29/2015 2:46 pm : link
for Afflalo would be a drastic overpay.
Can't fix all the problems in one offseason  
BeerFridge : 6/29/2015 2:46 pm : link
Monroe and Affalo work for me.
RE: RE: Woj bomb  
kash94 : 6/29/2015 2:46 pm : link
In comment 12347990 giantsfan44ab said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Knicks are frontrunners for two free agents -- Greg Monroe and Arron Afflalo, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Those are realistic targets.



I like the sound of that, but I hope it doesn't eat up our entire cap...who is going to be our defensive anchor at the MLE or vet min?


Don't the Knicks not have a MLE since they're below the cap at the start of FA?
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2015 2:46 pm : link
We really need someone who can protect the rim. The problem is if you add Monroe (and I like him as a player) then you have to hope Porzi develops into a rim protector otherwise we're in trouble defensively with a Melo-Monroe-Porzi frontcourt.
DeAndre/FA  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 2:47 pm : link
In comment 12347973 giantsfan44ab said:
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I think that overstates how much a FA puts into thinking about the team they choose. Obviously they want to go to a winning environment, but I think when they look at it, its like "oh the Mavs were in the playoffs, need a center and thats a good fit" rather than "the Knicks sucked but are in the Eastern conference, and if Wade leaves theres a team i won't have to worry about, the Hawks were a fluke, and the Bulls are gonna stink with a new coach".

$$$ is always the primary reason. He will get more money in Texas than anywhere else because of tax benefits. Then I think everything else is on a secondary, equal plane. Mavs had more wins than us, and he is from Texas. I don't think we can bank on us having a legit shot at him.


I think you're underrating how much thinking a FA puts into choosing a team. Of course money is the main objective and tax makes a big difference. We just saw Dwight ditch Cali for Texas partially because of the tax situation.

But these guys also want to win. And DeAndre, as someone who was apart of a Finals-worthy 1st round series in the playoffs against the Spurs, realizes how much tougher the West is.

I really think the Knicks have the chance to give DeAndre a MUUCH better pitch than the Mavs. Sure DeAndre can look at the tax situation and the the wins the Mavs had last year, but at the end of the day the Mavs are selling Dirk/Parsons as the building blocks on that team. Dirk is old as hell and not even a superstar anymore, and Parsons is a role player who is coming off of a very serious injury.

The Knicks situation is so much more appealing than the Mavs situation imo. I think the Knicks have a real chance with DeAndre unless all he wants to do is go back home.
If Monroe is going  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 2:47 pm : link
to do that 1 + 1 thing, think we can make him take maybe $2-3 million less? Then hope we can get Ajinca, Koufos, Wright or Bismack between $5-8 million a year?
Jon...  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 2:48 pm : link
every nba contract is an overpay. Your options are to wait until the top 20 guys are gone and bargain shop or pay a couple mill more then you think a guy is worth. Ive said it all year, take what you want to pay a guy and add 2-3 mill to it and that is what he will get.
RE: One of the biggest problems of the Tyson Chandler era was using  
Ash_3 : 6/29/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12347984 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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so much cap space on a player you can't run any offense through. That's fine if the Knicks are stacked with scorers like the Warriors, but the Knicks still would need quite a few pieces after adding Jordan at top dollar.


While we shouldn't bank on rookies we can certainly project them to become useful players and hopefully sooner rather than later. With guys like Grant and KP, the hope is that DeAndre Jordan doesn't have to be a scorer

Moreover the problem with the cap allocation during the short lived Chandler era wasn't Chandler until his final, indifferent season here. It was a crippled Amar'e. A healthy Amar'e and the Knicks could've played effective ISO ball come the postseason because they'd have had two elite one-on-one scorers.
Osi  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 2:50 pm : link
if he puts money aside, for what reason would he not choose to stay with the Clips over the Knicks? Not only more money, but the Clips stand a better chance in the West than we do against Cleveland and Chicago in the East over the next 3 years. Plus Paul Pierce is considering going to the clips and I'm sure they can get someone like Boozer for the minimum to get someone on the bench. They'd be essentially upgrading Barnes to Pierce and everything Stephenson is gravy.
I think  
TommyWiseau : 6/29/2015 2:52 pm : link
Koufos would be a nice pick up. Afflalo at 10 mil? Ughhh
RE: If Monroe is going  
EricNY33 : 6/29/2015 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12348003 giantsfan44ab said:
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to do that 1 + 1 thing, think we can make him take maybe $2-3 million less? Then hope we can get Ajinca, Koufos, Wright or Bismack between $5-8 million a year?


Your love for Alexis Ajinca troubles me...
Ariza got 4/32 last year  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 2:53 pm : link
I'd take Ariza over Afflalo every day of the week because of his D, but Afflalo's definitely a more complete player.

I think 3/27 could get it done for him.
Kind of thrilled if im a GM with cap room  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 2:54 pm : link
That Monroe is applying forward thinking to the future cap situation and not looking to command a long deal. There are aspects of his game I like, but I'd be petrified at a big commitment. This makes him much more desirable. If he earns a long extension under the new cap in a couple years, then that's a good 'problem' to have.
afflalo will be 30  
hitdog42 : 6/29/2015 2:54 pm : link
when the season starts- 9-10m for him would be a bad deal.
I would be dishonest if I said I'd be unhappy about Monroe  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 2:54 pm : link
and Afflalo.
RE: Ariza got 4/32 last year  
hitdog42 : 6/29/2015 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12348013 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I'd take Ariza over Afflalo every day of the week because of his D, but Afflalo's definitely a more complete player.

I think 3/27 could get it done for him.


the rockets are a contending team... the knicks are a rebuilding team
afflalo just opted out of a deal that would have paid him..  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 2:55 pm : link
like 8. So im assuming that is the starting point. Ariza is probably a solid comparison. I can def see 8, i just wouldnt be shocked when the number is 10.
I was just talking in general  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 2:56 pm : link
with Afflalo.

I think he'd only be a good signing for the Knicks IF the Knicks already signed DeAndre/Gasol/Aldridge first.

Monroe + Afflalo for $25M? seems like the plan, not sure how I'd feel about that as a Knicks fan. A definite overpay to become a possible 48 win team next year imo.
But there's no harm in mediocrity next year, as there's no pick either  
wigs in nyc : 6/29/2015 2:57 pm : link
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personally i dont really like afflalo....  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 2:57 pm : link
i am just saying what i think he will get. I feel like he has always been a bit overhyped. Id much rather Mathews or Green over him.
Unless you're buying a lebron, every free agent gets overpaid.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 2:59 pm : link
You just try to mitigate the damage as best you can.
RE: I was just talking in general  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 2:59 pm : link
In comment 12348023 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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with Afflalo.

I think he'd only be a good signing for the Knicks IF the Knicks already signed DeAndre/Gasol/Aldridge first.

Monroe + Afflalo for $25M? seems like the plan, not sure how I'd feel about that as a Knicks fan. A definite overpay to become a possible 48 win team next year imo.


I dont think Monroe and Affalo is the plan, based on that tweet it seems they want to come to the Knicks, doesnt say if that is what the Knicks want to do...
I think we  
Jon in NYC : 6/29/2015 3:00 pm : link
eventually end up with Monroe (2/30?), Afflalo (3/24) and West (2/18).

If you backload each of the contracts, that fits under the 27 we have.
I can't imagine Monroe's agent would allow him to sign a contract  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/29/2015 3:02 pm : link
with only 1 or 2 guaranteed years, regardless of the cap explosion next offseason.
Afflalo..  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 3:02 pm : link
is a solid 2 guard. Nothing spectacular, but you can win with him. We are a lot better if we get those two. And 25 mill for a starting SG and young big is not bad. You then have money to add one more big piece in 2016.

You know i like Danny Green, but does anyone really think that Afflalo couldnt perform just as good if not better if he was on SA?
RE: I can't imagine Monroe's agent would allow him to sign a contract  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 3:03 pm : link
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with only 1 or 2 guaranteed years, regardless of the cap explosion next offseason.

well, this same agent let him play under the one year qualifying offer this past season instead of signing a 4 or 5 year deal last summer.
RE: Osi  
giants#1 : 6/29/2015 3:03 pm : link
In comment 12348010 giantsfan44ab said:
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if he puts money aside, for what reason would he not choose to stay with the Clips over the Knicks? Not only more money, but the Clips stand a better chance in the West than we do against Cleveland and Chicago in the East over the next 3 years. Plus Paul Pierce is considering going to the clips and I'm sure they can get someone like Boozer for the minimum to get someone on the bench. They'd be essentially upgrading Barnes to Pierce and everything Stephenson is gravy.


He just finished a season with the Clips that saw them get the #2 seed and their road to a championship would've been: Spurs->Rockets->Warriors->Cavs.

Move to the East and you're looking at 1st/2nd round matchups with teams that probably don't even sniff the playoffs out West. Even with a lesser supporting cast, his odds of winning a title are likely better in the East. That's why the Cavs are the current 2016 title favorites despite arguably being less talented than several teams in the West (including the young GS team that just beat them).
RE: I think we  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12348031 Jon in NYC said:
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eventually end up with Monroe (2/30?), Afflalo (3/24) and West (2/18).

If you backload each of the contracts, that fits under the 27 we have.

the CBA only allows something like a 4% raise each season. You can't really "backload".
RE: Osi  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12348010 giantsfan44ab said:
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if he puts money aside, for what reason would he not choose to stay with the Clips over the Knicks? Not only more money, but the Clips stand a better chance in the West than we do against Cleveland and Chicago in the East over the next 3 years. Plus Paul Pierce is considering going to the clips and I'm sure they can get someone like Boozer for the minimum to get someone on the bench. They'd be essentially upgrading Barnes to Pierce and everything Stephenson is gravy.


DeAndre should stay with the Clippers. I can't think of a real argument for the Knicks over the Clippers for DJ. You just have to hope the the CP3 and DeAndre beef comes into play. If that's enough to send him to Dallas, it should be enough to send him to NY.
you wonder if/when they strike  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 3:06 pm : link
out on the big names (which is likely considering their individual situations), does Melo ask for a trade?
RE: RE: I can't imagine Monroe's agent would allow him to sign a contract  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/29/2015 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12348036 Enzo said:
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with only 1 or 2 guaranteed years, regardless of the cap explosion next offseason.


well, this same agent let him play under the one year qualifying offer this past season instead of signing a 4 or 5 year deal last summer.


There's a difference between the 2 situations. I'd be stunned if his next contract isn't 4 years with the 1 year player option. It really isn't a big deal either way, but I just can't see him taking the risk he did last season just for 2 guaranteed years.
Not surprising  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 3:08 pm : link
Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania 43s44 seconds ago
The Los Angeles Lakers have informed Jordan Hill they will not pick up his $9 million team option, league source tells RealGM.
RE: you wonder if/when they strike  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 3:09 pm : link
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out on the big names (which is likely considering their individual situations), does Melo ask for a trade?


Melo already knows what players the Knicks have a shot at...if players do not come it will not be a surprise to him...
RE: RE: Osi  
BeerFridge : 6/29/2015 3:09 pm : link
In comment 12348041 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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if he puts money aside, for what reason would he not choose to stay with the Clips over the Knicks? Not only more money, but the Clips stand a better chance in the West than we do against Cleveland and Chicago in the East over the next 3 years. Plus Paul Pierce is considering going to the clips and I'm sure they can get someone like Boozer for the minimum to get someone on the bench. They'd be essentially upgrading Barnes to Pierce and everything Stephenson is gravy.



DeAndre should stay with the Clippers. I can't think of a real argument for the Knicks over the Clippers for DJ. You just have to hope the the CP3 and DeAndre beef comes into play. If that's enough to send him to Dallas, it should be enough to send him to NY.


Broussard says that the Knicks pitch is that he won't be the third option anymore and that the path to All-Star games is much easier in the East. It's not a great argument, but you can see it working on some guys.
RE: RE: RE: I can't imagine Monroe's agent would allow him to sign a contract  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 3:10 pm : link
In comment 12348048 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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There's a difference between the 2 situations. I'd be stunned if his next contract isn't 4 years with the 1 year player option. It really isn't a big deal either way, but I just can't see him taking the risk he did last season just for 2 guaranteed years.

do you mean his next contract will be 3 years with a 4th year at his option? Because the CBA doesn't allow 4 year deals with an opt out after 1.
RE: RE: If Monroe is going  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12348012 EricNY33 said:
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to do that 1 + 1 thing, think we can make him take maybe $2-3 million less? Then hope we can get Ajinca, Koufos, Wright or Bismack between $5-8 million a year?



Your love for Alexis Ajinca troubles me...


Lol. On the right deal, he is a solid pickup. Like him more than Bismack. Shoots 50% from the mid range and his 7'9" wingspan helps rim protection.
RE: RE: you wonder if/when they strike  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12348052 nygiants16 said:
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Melo already knows what players the Knicks have a shot at...if players do not come it will not be a surprise to him...

You overrate his awareness. And it doesn't matter if it's a surprise or not. If they strike out in free agency he's going to be disappointed.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 3:14 pm : link
Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 10s11 seconds ago
Source: #Knicks have interest in meeting with Long Island's SG Danny Green, but he's in Brazil. San Antonio very much in picture, though.
if knicks swing and miss on free agency blow it up  
ADeP7 : 6/29/2015 3:14 pm : link
Send melo to LA for deangelo russel
I think he's smart enough to know it's going to take some work  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 3:16 pm : link
to get guys to come to a 17 win team. He has been involved in the process to contact guys, so he has a sense of the situation.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I can't imagine Monroe's agent would allow him to sign a contract  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/29/2015 3:17 pm : link
In comment 12348054 Enzo said:
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There's a difference between the 2 situations. I'd be stunned if his next contract isn't 4 years with the 1 year player option. It really isn't a big deal either way, but I just can't see him taking the risk he did last season just for 2 guaranteed years.


do you mean his next contract will be 3 years with a 4th year at his option? Because the CBA doesn't allow 4 year deals with an opt out after 1.


You're correct. If that's the case, then I guess he could take the 1 & 1. I just find it hard to believe he'd pile more risk on top of more risk.
RE: I never understood why  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 3:18 pm : link
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players having the same agent was relevant. It gets mentioned so often too. Especially when talking about ho hum talent and a super star.

What does LeBron care about Thompson's representation? He may want TT back, but I cant picture it being because they share an agent.


Part of the reason Andrew Wiggins was readily dealt off without much acknolwedgement is that he wasn't interested in changing agents and joining LeBron's "off court team".
the potential financial rewards  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 3:19 pm : link
under the rising cap are seemingly making the risk worthwhile for these guys. The potential difference in salary is huge. The only problem is the potential for a lockout/strike in 2 years. Which might make all of this maneuvering a waste of time.
Ok  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 3:27 pm : link
Biyombo, Monroe (4 years), Affalo (2 with a team option), offer sheet to Joe Ingles, Cory Joseph.


Joseph/Grant
Affalo/Galloway
Melo/Ingles
Monroe/Porzingis
Biyombo
TTH  
Deej : 6/29/2015 3:27 pm : link
So is LeBron getting kickbacks? Maybe Im dense.
i dont see it at all...  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 3:28 pm : link
but in his article Woj says:
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With Monroe expecting to command a maximum contract on the market, Afflalo could earn a deal in the neighborhood of three years, $36 million-$38 million, league sources said.


12-13 per would be tough to swallow. But who knows its our usual "league sources"
Yes and no Enzo  
Deej : 6/29/2015 3:32 pm : link
The potential rewards for Jimmy Butler are obvious. If he starts a max deal next year it will probably be for 30% more money.

For others? Not so much. Lets take 6th man "X". Mr. X is going to get paid 28/4 this year in part on the knowledge that the cap is going up next year. If there wasnt massive cap inflation, he might get only 15/3 or 20/4. But it's not like if he could opt out that next year there would by 40/4 available for him -- the 28/4 is already pricing the cap rise in -- except for max contract players.

This is the problem with Monroe. He's a max guy because of the cap rise. He shouldnt expect materially more than 15 million per if he opts out next year -- maybe he gets more, but on a 2 year deal he risks more than 50% of the 60 million should he suck/get hurt.
Fuck paying Afflalo  
TommyWiseau : 6/29/2015 3:33 pm : link
13 mil per season. Other SG options in FA this season. I'd also rather prefer Koufos to Biyombo although I'd take either at this point
For fucks sake  
Jon in NYC : 6/29/2015 3:33 pm : link
if we pay Afflalo 13 mil...
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