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NFT: Knicks Chat: Lots of Knicks rumors!!

DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 8:01 am
Pistons free agent center Greg Monroe said Sunday he will meet with five teams this week, including the Knicks, and said he wants to play for a club ready to win. He also seemed to be campaigning to stay in his hometown.
Monroe, who is from Louisiana, said at his basketball clinic in New Orleans hes looking for a two-year deal with an opt-out after one season to take advantage of the coming rise of the salary cap.
According to the Baton Rouge (La.) Advocate, Monroe will speak with the Knicks, Celtics, Bucks, and Blazers with the Pistons out of the picture. Free agency begins Wednesday.
Im looking to be with a team thats ready to win, Monroe told the newspaper. Hopefully it will be a team where Im the missing piece.-NYPOST


Meanwhile, USA Today reports that the Mavericks, Lakers, and Knicks will join the Clippers in holding meetings with Jordan, while the Bucks unfortunately for the were unable to pique the big man's interest.

The 26-year-old free agent center who spent his first seven seasons with the Clippers is clearly giving serious thought to changing jerseys, as three people with knowledge of his situation said he is expected to meet with at least four teams the Clippers, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers and New York Knicks in the first few days of free agency. The meetings are expected to take place in the Los Angeles office where Jordan's representatives, Dan Fegan and Happy Walters of Relativity Sports, are based. The people spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the process.

NJ.com

Jeremy Lin, who was the most celebrated athlete in New York in 2011 when he became a surprise starter with the Knicks and ignited "Linsanity," could be returning to New York during free agency.

The point guard, who, while playing for the Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Lakers, hasn't achieved the success he had in New York, could be a Knicks target as they look for inexpensive, short-term players to form a bridge to the future during a total rebuilding of the organization.

When he returned to the Garden with the Lakers in April, Lin played 24 minutes and scored just four points in a 92-80 loss.

"Every time I come back, I always have great memories," Lin said then. "I remember those great times. I'm always thankful. Coming back to New York with these fans at the Garden, that was very special to me and I'll always cherish that."


Caron Butler

After his release from the Milwaukee Bucks before July 1, Caron Butler has emerged as a candidate for the Chicago Bulls, Los Angeles Clippers and San Antonio Spurs, a league source told RealGM.

The Lakers and New York Knicks also expect to make an inquiry on Butler, a 13-year NBA veteran who has averaged 14.3 points and 5.1 rebounds for his career.


David Aldridge & #10004;@daldridgetnt
An under the radar free agent will be Dallas' Al-Faroqu Aminu. Sked to visit NYK, BOS, POR, TOR & NOP, w/Mavs still in mix.
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we also have those  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 5:30 pm : link
traded player exceptions. Or are we not able to use them anymore?
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 5:32 pm : link
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS 56s56 seconds ago
Can confirm the Raptors have joined teams securing a free-agent meeting with LaMarcus Aldridge. Toronto contingent lined up for July 1
RE: we also have those  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 5:32 pm : link
In comment 12348304 Enzo said:
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traded player exceptions. Or are we not able to use them anymore?


Can use them until Knicks need the cap space...once they need the cap space Knicks need to renounce them
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 5:33 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 45s46 seconds ago
Sourcs: Charlotte has informed forward Bismack Biyombo that it won't tender a qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted free agent.
Biyombo!  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 5:33 pm : link
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100%  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 5:34 pm : link
go for Biyombo now.
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 5:34 pm : link
Tim Reynolds ✔@ByTimReynolds
The Lakers will push very hard for Dwyane Wade, who will also have interest from the Knicks (and others).
Wouldn't  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 5:34 pm : link
Biyombo and Monroe combined end up roughly the same price as Jordan alone if Jordan coaxes a sign and trade 5 for 103.5?
RE: 100%  
Jay on the Island : 6/29/2015 5:35 pm : link
In comment 12348313 DanMetroMan said:
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go for Biyombo now.

Agreed he will not cost that much and is still so young. Plus he fills a huge need.
RE: Wouldn't  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 5:35 pm : link
In comment 12348315 DanMetroMan said:
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Biyombo and Monroe combined end up roughly the same price as Jordan alone if Jordan coaxes a sign and trade 5 for 103.5?

only the clips can offer Jordan 5. He can only get 4 from other teams, even if it's a sign-and-trade.
Can  
DanMetroMan : 6/29/2015 5:36 pm : link
rebound, block shots, run the court and is young. He will never be a good offensive player but he has things we need.
one thing about Biyombo  
Enzo : 6/29/2015 5:36 pm : link
is that he's not much of a passer. 86 CAREER assists. Wow...
Dan  
Anakim : 6/29/2015 5:41 pm : link
You LOVED Bitchsmack Biyombo in his Draft year
Clyde Frazier  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2015 5:48 pm : link
will have a field day with Biyombo and Porzingis.
Leonard is so much better than his PER  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 5:51 pm : link
PER is a terrific stat, I think it's a very useful gauge and more often than not backs up my personal eye test. But the one glaring flaw that must be accounted for in every instance is that it completely boils down your entire defensive impact to blocks and steals, which is a pretty horribly misleading way to gauge defensive impact. Basically if you're a terrific defensive player, you are wildly underrated by PER.

Real plus minus (RPM) is a relatively new stat that is sort of like on/off except much better because it adjusts for a variety of factors. Basically it is an attempt to gauge impact. Like anything else there are outliers that get overrated or underrated by this metric, nothing is perfect. The top 4 guys last year in RPM was Curry, Harden, Lebron and Anthony Davis. I think a consensus of basketball fans would have also labeled that the top 4 players in the league last year in general. The guy in 5th? Kawhi Leonard. I'm not sure of label Leonard as high as 5, but he's closer to 5 in terms of impact than he is to 25. He can't volume score on a superstar level (at least I don't believe so, but even that is up for a little debate because the Spurs system deflates individual stats), but even so, individual high volume scoring is a less valuable asset than ever with the way modern offenses have evolved their attack, it's not a necessity for potent offenses now with today's spacing and ball movement, and it's basically a dying phenomenon reserved for a select few.

Not much of a passer as all  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 5:52 pm : link
He's just a dumbed down version of Deandre Jordan. Jordan can't pass either. Would for sure go for a poor man's Jordan at 1/4 of the price. At least you can't hack him (although who knows how he would do if he was forced at the line, but my bets are that he still does better than Jordan).
Bismack has hands of fucking stone  
AnotherGiantsFan : 6/29/2015 6:06 pm : link
Deandre Jordan is at least a huge alley oop target.
very odd dynamic with this free agency  
Stu11 : 6/29/2015 6:10 pm : link
The extra year and $ that the players team can offer him is worthless because with the crazy cap jump everyone wants an out next year any way. So for guys like Monroe/Aldridge/Jordan it seems to boil down to where they want to be for whatever reason whether it's winning, a chance to maximize their value before they opt out marketing etc...Not sure quite where this leaves the Knicks. yea we can't offer winning right now, but if you are a big like Monroe you have an opportunity to maximize your stats this upcoming season. Jordan may feel he can even flash better offense with us who knows. Really makes this all impossible to predict.
the rumor for a while  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 6:19 pm : link
has been that Aldridge really likes the Rockets and the Rockets obviously want Aldridge, but that it just isn't likely to happen because of all the things Houston needs to do to open up the kind of space to add Aldridge.

Not sure how I feel about gutting the team to add Aldridge.
Marshall  
Deej : 6/29/2015 6:20 pm : link
maybe Im an old man (age 35), but we can start to out think ourselves with these advanced stats. The first 4 guys you mentioned -- I could see them as the best player on a team that wins a few titles. Leonard? Sorry, I just dont. I worry about ever quantifying defensive productivity -- it is just so team oriented.

And even all that aside, I think the Duncan-Pop era Spurs are just this magic land where everyone is awesome. Take away Duncan and Manu and it gets rougher. I just dont view Leonard, Aldridge, and a declining Parker as much of a championship core. So it's 2015-16 or bust if LA goes there unless another big FA follows next year.
RE: Bismack has hands of fucking stone  
Deej : 6/29/2015 6:23 pm : link
In comment 12348365 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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Deandre Jordan is at least a huge alley oop target.


Two totally different plays. Jordan gets $80-100+ million. Biyambo apparently had no trade value on a $5.5 million QO (or MJ is an idiot).
RE: the rumor for a while  
Ash_3 : 6/29/2015 6:27 pm : link
In comment 12348383 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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has been that Aldridge really likes the Rockets and the Rockets obviously want Aldridge, but that it just isn't likely to happen because of all the things Houston needs to do to open up the kind of space to add Aldridge.

Not sure how I feel about gutting the team to add Aldridge.


I revisit a Lawson trade. It might depend on whether you guys are willing to include Capela along with T Jones. The Rockets with Lawson would have the best starting five in basketball.
If you took DeAndre Jordan  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 6:28 pm : link
and placed him in a gym overnight with a ball and a hoop and told him to score without dunking....


He'd have 5 points in the morning

-Charles Barkley
I'm not one to usually go after RFA's but I would take a run at Kanter  
Stu11 : 6/29/2015 6:30 pm : link
if you strike out early with guys like Monroe/Jordan etc... his #'s were off the charts once he went to Oklahoma and consistently got 30 minutes a night his #'s were off the charts. He just turned 23 too.
RE: I'm not one to usually go after RFA's but I would take a run at Kanter  
Ash_3 : 6/29/2015 6:37 pm : link
In comment 12348398 Stu11 said:
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if you strike out early with guys like Monroe/Jordan etc... his #'s were off the charts once he went to Oklahoma and consistently got 30 minutes a night his #'s were off the charts. He just turned 23 too.


I don't like the idea of Enes Kanter on O without Russell Westbrook. I'm horrified of the idea of Enes Kanter on D without Serge Ibaka.
Deej  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 6:38 pm : link
It's not hard to make a case that we has already seen Kawhi Leonard as the best player on a championship team. That 14 spurs team was more of an ensemble cast without a clear cut best player, but he could lay as good a claim as any. He was a deserving finals MVP and led that Spurs team in a bunch of impact based advanced stats in the playoffs (BPM, VORP). He was the best player on this past spurs team without much question, and even though they lost in round 1 they were a legit title contender. If Leonard doesn't miss a bunch of time with his hand, or if they win in game 82 to hold the 2 seed, they could have conceivably repeated with him unquestionably leading the way

I don't think he's the 5th best player but he's not too far away. He is better than a ton of guys who may have more impressive box score stats
RE: I'm not one to usually go after RFA's but I would take a run at Kanter  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 6:38 pm : link
In comment 12348398 Stu11 said:
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if you strike out early with guys like Monroe/Jordan etc... his #'s were off the charts once he went to Oklahoma and consistently got 30 minutes a night his #'s were off the charts. He just turned 23 too.


Don't know if I'd take that risk. He is awful defensively. Not like Monroe bad. Like worst defender in the league bad. He fits perfectly in OKC because he can guard centers and Ibaka and Adams can help cover for his problems.

And plus, I don't like the idea of getting our money tied up while OKC ponders to match him, which they probably well because they are giving away assets for nothing (see: Lamb, Jeremy) in order to keep him. We can miss out on free agents while we wait for OKC to make a decision, which will probably be to match it anyways.
I'd take Kawhi over Melo  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 6:40 pm : link
for the next 2 years. Obviously beyond that as well.
all these 3nD wings talk  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 6:42 pm : link
is making me hope that Paul George comes back 100%. The NBA missed him last year.
Leonard is basically Scottie Pippen without the point forward skills  
MarshallOnMontana : 6/29/2015 6:44 pm : link
And he's even more versatile defensively
Marc Stein was just on ESPN  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 6:47 pm : link
said Mavs and Knicks are the top 2 teams to steal Jordan from Clippers...he said knicks feel confident
As a primary shot creator  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 6:52 pm : link
Kawhi probably isn't the best player on a title team. But as an overall player? Yes he certainly can be. I'd argue him as a better overall player than Aldridge. A combo of Kawhi and Aldridge can keep the Spurs in contention for another 5 years. Say what you want about the Spurs but they'll always figure out a way to replace the guys who left.

Even after Pop leaves, that franchise will be in good hands. We saw how a Pop assistant led a team to 60 wins and even beat him out for coach of the year. And Leonard and Alrdige are better than any players on those teams. Pop will make sure the Spurs are prepared for a life without him.
RE: Marc Stein was just on ESPN  
Four Aces : 6/29/2015 6:53 pm : link
In comment 12348415 nygiants16 said:
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said Mavs and Knicks are the top 2 teams to steal Jordan from Clippers...he said knicks feel confident


I love to add DeAndre. His defensive presence alone will have a huge impact. Jordan is what Chandler should have been until he just fell off a cliff in NY.
RE: Marc Stein was just on ESPN  
Ash_3 : 6/29/2015 6:53 pm : link
In comment 12348415 nygiants16 said:
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said Mavs and Knicks are the top 2 teams to steal Jordan from Clippers...he said knicks feel confident


Would feel comfortable giving DeAndre big money. He's in his prime and barring injury figures to be a really good defensive player and rebounder for the life of his contract (and likely more).
I didn't like the idea of acquiring DeAndre Jordan on his contract  
AnotherGiantsFan : 6/29/2015 6:53 pm : link
Until we drafted KP. DJ and Melo will take a lot of weight off KP's shoulders and KPs upside goes perfectly with DeAndres. DeAndre needs to clog the paint on offense and KP will be able to give him all the space in the world.

As much as we want to believe KP can be a rim protector, he's really not close to being there yet. DeAndre can pick up that slack while KP can just go out there without getting face fucked every minute trying to block NBA bigs shots/dunks.
More widespread rumors  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2015 6:53 pm : link
They can't actually be "as close to done as you can get" with monroe, and also confidently going after Jordan.

Looks like everyone's just guessing again.
Boy, things are swirling around quickly.  
manh george : 6/29/2015 6:55 pm : link
We could end up with a team with two-three real stars, our best pg in quite while, and eight players not born in the US. The starting pg will also need to translate.

Meanwhile, LOL, Hardaway says he won't forget the Jackson diss. (link)

More importantly, can he remember two things at once: the Jackson diss, and to actually guard somebody? Doubtful.

Meanwhile it wasn't really a diss. Jackson got someone talented for him.
Link - ( New Window )
Ten Ton, it's a misquote.  
manh george : 6/29/2015 6:57 pm : link
"As close to done as you can guess."
DeAndre isn't a super elite defender  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/29/2015 7:04 pm : link
he's not Dwight Howard on D. He can definitely prevent dribble penetration but he doesn't really move on D as well as you'd like. This is just nitpicking on my part, but Jordan's athleticism doesn't translate on D to the extent that most think besides the highlight reel blocks.

Best rebounder in the game though.
RE: DeAndre isn't a super elite defender  
Ash_3 : 6/29/2015 7:07 pm : link
In comment 12348442 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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he's not Dwight Howard on D. He can definitely prevent dribble penetration but he doesn't really move on D as well as you'd like. This is just nitpicking on my part, but Jordan's athleticism doesn't translate on D to the extent that most think besides the highlight reel blocks.

Best rebounder in the game though.


No, no argument there, but he's still a quality rim protector. Moreover, having a rebounder like that would be especially helpful if you put Melo at the 4 or eventually KP as a stretch 4, as I have a hard time picturing KP being a plus rebounder.
You have to make a run at DeAndre  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2015 7:14 pm : link
but it'll be brutal watching him get sent to the foul line possession after possession in close games.
if you can  
TommyWiseau : 6/29/2015 7:25 pm : link
Add Jordan you do. Jordan and Danny Green would be great additions. Use the rest of the money next year to fill out the roster
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nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 7:30 pm : link
Brad Turner ✔@BA_Turner
DeAndre Jordan scheduled to meet with Dallas, Lakers, Knicks, all on Wednesday, sources. DJ will meet Clippers last on Thursday.
What is the cost on DeAndre? I think I remember reading he could get  
Lopes1984 : 6/29/2015 7:32 pm : link
around 4 years $81 million. If that's the case it might not even be possible to bring in him and Green unless we find someone to unload Calderon to.
DJ would be an excellent fit next to Porzi.  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2015 7:35 pm : link
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Jordan would really be a good get  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 7:35 pm : link
If nothing else he is another young piece. You could have him for the next 5+ years easily. If KP turns into what we hope him and Jordan could be an awesome front line.

Why do I have a scary feeling we end up with Jordan and wade who take up all our space. Really don't want wade and don't like they we have been linked to him.
No possible way  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2015 7:48 pm : link
we could end up with DJ and Wade. Wades leaving if he doesn't get $20 million. We couldn't give him $10 if we got DJ.
RE: Leonard is basically Scottie Pippen without the point forward skills  
Deej : 6/29/2015 7:48 pm : link
In comment 12348413 MarshallOnMontana said:
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And he's even more versatile defensively


Uh, wow. We're not going to agree on this. Might as well not discuss it.
RE: No possible way  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2015 7:50 pm : link
In comment 12348484 giantsfan44ab said:
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we could end up with DJ and Wade. Wades leaving if he doesn't get $20 million. We couldn't give him $10 if we got DJ.


Would have to get rid of Calderon..

Supposedly Wade is asking for a 3 year deal starting at 16
Wade can ask for whatever he wants.  
Italianju : 6/29/2015 8:04 pm : link
Still need a team to give it to him. That team is Mia so it will be interesting to see if they work it out
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