Walter Thurmond: Coughlin doesn't believe in modern medicine

very disconcerting.

But I always take ex-players comments with a grain of salt.

But there certainly are people who are inclined to brush aside such trends, and Coughlin could certainly be such a person.

like SFGF said, ex players opinions can't be always taken seriously.

Tom Coughlin has final say on the methods used to treat injuries?

injury prevention

Pretty sure I told you guys about the old military equipment a while back...

the most contemporary video training techniques.

someday soon players will be using Oculus Rift to simulate game situations. today they use simulation software on tablets/laptops. a friend of mine claims Belichick is a power user.

to track players during practice?

Interpretation, he said she said. Whatevs. track who believes this as gospel.. (Sanfran)

he believes in leeches and rubbing a little dirt on injuries?

Didn't the FAA just say the Giants didn't have permission to use the drone?

isn't overruling the med staff or trainers....
We have a high amount of injuries but this is rehab Thurmond is talking about...no?

We have a whole complex for rehab with the best doctors
in the NYC area.

In comment 12348535 Peter in Atl said:

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to track players during practice?

Yup?!

This is the guy who shorted workouts last year. He adopted , hook line and sinker, the radical methods the Eagles apparently used with great effectiveness in the previous year.

He cut workouts according to data individual GPS's fed the computer. He ordered new stretching techniques, etc. etc.

I don't mind a guy mis-interpreting but based on everything I've read quite the opposite is true.

This is the guy who shorted workouts last year. He adopted , hook line and sinker, the radical methods the Eagles apparently used with great effectiveness in the previous year.

He cut workouts according to data individual GPS's fed the computer. He ordered new stretching techniques, etc. etc.

I don't mind a guy mis-interpreting but based on everything I've read quite the opposite is true.

it seems obvious that he isnt talking about leeches and blood letting. It's not an injury thing. The context is sports science and IMPROVED performance.

Does TC do all those little sports science things like tracking how far players run in practice? I guess not.

Are learning from others here. Not very debatable. "Injuries are a cancer" + leading the league in games missed by starters in consecutive years are the facts.

That said they are trending in a. Ore positive direction here.

We haven't really done much, at least to our knowledge, until last year with using technology to help prevent injuries. Even then, I specifically remember TC being ticked off about having to stop practice early to stretch. TC no doubt has an old school approach when it comes to injuries. He thinks it is mind over matter. In some cases that may work. It doesn't seem to work in most cases though.

The fights in those comments between Giant and Eagles fans is incredibly painful to read. It's like Anak and Hudson on an Islander / Ranger thread.

means to Thurmond. I didn't clink the link so maybe it's there, but there's an entire staff in place. Hard to believe 1 guy, HC or not, would be able to completely change the medical culture of a team. Seems like a bitter jab and nothing more.

coughlin. dr. warren and ronnie barnes have been around a looooong time. as has coughlin. something to think about

In comment 12348554 robbieballs2003 said:

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We haven't really done much, at least to our knowledge, until last year with using technology to help prevent injuries. Even then, I specifically remember TC being ticked off about having to stop practice early to stretch. TC no doubt has an old school approach when it comes to injuries. He thinks it is mind over matter. In some cases that may work. It doesn't seem to work in most cases though.

Maybe many fans put the over under at three games played for a team before they will listen to what they have to say.

Walter thanks for the memories, oh wait there were none.

In comment 12348558 UConn4523 said:

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means to Thurmond. I didn't clink the link so maybe it's there, but there's an entire staff in place. Hard to believe 1 guy, HC or not, would be able to completely change the medical culture of a team. Seems like a bitter jab and nothing more.

Coughlin is the head coach. I would be surprised if he didn't have that kind of power. He picks the staff. Who's going to tell him no?

Parcells was pretty old school, right? We didn't seem to have these issues when we were "old fashioned".

?

didn't the Giants use some sort of technology last year that regularly monitored the players and told the coaches when to stop practice?

In comment 12348570 Eric from BBI said:

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didn't the Giants use some sort of technology last year that regularly monitored the players and told the coaches when to stop practice?

Yup, "GPS" monitoring during practice.
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As has been discussed many times on the site (and explained in detail by SOTI), that was in reference to players quitting on the season when it was clear their playoff chances were dead. That happened in spades in Fassel's last year.

is Thurmond implying that his torn pectoral muscle (which I'm pretty sure was an in-game injury) was due to Coughlin?

Pete Carroll to blame for the broken leg he suffered in Seattle?

and people are entitled to their opinions, but after some thought, I think this is probably a bunch of crap. Not to say Thurmond is lying, but when you have 50+ dudes in a locker room with different bodies, different personalities, different "motivational soft spots" if you will, it's impossible for any one approach to anything sit well with everyone.

I think Coughlin's approach to both coaching and conditioning probably wasn't something Thurmond worked well with, and Thurmond connected dots that aren't really there with the inflated injuries we've had over the last two years.

There's no chance in hell that Mara and Tisch would let Coughlin put their investments in jeopardy. Coughlin proved in 2007 he's capable of adjusting. I just think Thurmond and Coughlin were probably in a round hole, square peg situation.

Read Thurmond's comments. He very clearly said that they started to come around to the change. There is a big difference between coming around to it and believeing in it. From the comments that I read about TC they were trying it but he didn't sound too impressed with it and even was annoyed that practice time was cut short because of it. I don't think Thurmond said anything wrong and I agree with what he said. It doesn't make TC a bad coach. It doesn't mean you can't win without this new approach. Why do people seem to have their panties in a bunch over this?

medical team.

Thurmond was here for less than one year.

drugs?

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It is about training your body to avoid soft tissue injuries and even ligament damage. As most of you know a lot of ACL tears and achilles injuries are non-contact injuries. That is what it attempts to avoid. Obviously you aren't going to prevent an injury like Marcus Lattimore. I don't get the resistance to this. When we incorporated dynamic stretching into our warmups our soft tissue injuries dropped drastically on my teams.

What I don't get is that we know we have a problem. You can't chalk this consistentcy up to luck with our injuries. That is just lazy. There is evidence to show that this stuff works. You just have to commit to it. It has to be part of your daily regimen. People said there is no way in hell that the Eagles could keep up the pace they play at over a 16 game season. Well, they have done it two years in a row. If you want to say that is luck too then fine but what would it hurt to follow their lead?

In comment 12348587 Eric from BBI said:

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Thurmond was here for less than one year.

So? He can't tell TC's opinion on sports science in a year?

Chip Kelly's players have been complaining that his practices are a nightmare.

So which is it?

Because if he's been here less than one year, he has no reference to say something like "he's been getting better".

He signed in March 2014 and was put on IR in September. How many practices did he go through here? 30?

if TC was an old school "rub some dirt on it" kind of football guy that rolls his eyes at Chip Kelly's protein shakes and sleep schedules? Really?

In comment 12348594 Eric from BBI said:

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Chip Kelly's players have been complaining that his practices are a nightmare. So which is it?

Eric, you are totally missing the point. Who cares if Eagles players are complaining they practice too hard. It is much more than practicing. It is how they stretch and warm up. It is how they cool down. It is how they lift. It is what they eat. Etc. What does the actual practice have to do with sports science?

The leg is broken? Amputate it
-----Tom Coughlin?

...for, oh, about 7 days? Yeah, he's real clued in.

'Evil Humors' and came around to the 'Small dwarf or toad in your stomach' theory.

In comment 12348600 Chris in Philly said:

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if TC was an old school "rub some dirt on it" kind of football guy that rolls his eyes at Chip Kelly's protein shakes and sleep schedules? Really?

That's probably exactly who he is, but those kinds of decisions aren't up to him. He doesn't set medical policy or decide how to manage and treat injuries.

Thurmond isn't exactly an intellectual. What he was probably saying is that Coughlin doesn't do the whole sports science thing that Kelly does. Nobody in the league does. Kelly is on the bleeding edge of that. he's a trend setter.

In comment 12348596 Eric from BBI said:

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Because if he's been here less than one year, he has no reference to say something like "he's been getting better". He signed in March 2014 and was put on IR in September. How many practices did he go through here? 30?

Eric, you are really trying too hard to discredit Thurmond. Go back and read the camp reports. TC talked about implementing new technology that they haven't done before. He also complained about losing practice time because players were heating up too much or something like that. It doesn't take years to see that TC wasn't a big fan of it and it doesn't take years to see that he didn't do this stuff in the past. I have no idea if that GPS shit works. Neither did TC which explains his pessimism about it. Imo, this is coming from ownership. John Mara specifically said that injuries are a huge problem. It would be my guess that this GPS stuff came from him and was put on TC which could explain the resistance to it. Thurmond also has knowledge of Pete Carroll and Kelly so it is also easy to see the difference between the coaches. It is well known that the Giants feed their players crap while Chip Kelly has specific shakes for each player. That too is part of the sports science. If TC truly bought into this style then things wouldn't be so different.

I'm not trying to say that a shake is going to prevent an inury or not. I'm saying that other teams have bought in way more than we have and it isn't hard to see that. You don't need to be on the team for an extended period of time to see all of this.

In comment 12348607 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 12348600 Chris in Philly said: Quote: if TC was an old school "rub some dirt on it" kind of football guy that rolls his eyes at Chip Kelly's protein shakes and sleep schedules? Really? That's probably exactly who he is, but those kinds of decisions aren't up to him. He doesn't set medical policy or decide how to manage and treat injuries. Thurmond isn't exactly an intellectual. What he was probably saying is that Coughlin doesn't do the whole sports science thing that Kelly does. Nobody in the league does. Kelly is on the bleeding edge of that. he's a trend setter.

Well, let's be honest. If anyone knows anything about trend-setting....

Well, let's be honest. If anyone knows anything about trend-setting....

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WTF is that? Bjork wouldn't wear that shit. Liberace wouldn't touch it. The eff.

In comment 12348572 Eric from BBI said:

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As has been discussed many times on the site (and explained in detail by SOTI), that was in reference to players quitting on the season when it was clear their playoff chances were dead. That happened in spades in Fassel's last year.

Eric. Did not know that, thanks.

Would overrule medical advice because he believes in the Charles Atlas program?

Give me a break