NFT: Knicks rumors!!!

Michael Scotto ‏@MikeAScotto 59s60 seconds ago
Sources: Tobias Harris would prefer not to return to the Orlando Magic and play for Scott Skiles, who previously coached him in Milwaukee.

As of yesterday, the Knicks were trying to pry him away from Minnesota. He has until 7/10 to sign a contract. I don;t know exactly what the Knicks could offer the Wolves, but if Bjelica really wants the Knicks, he can hold off until the last day or so and try to force the Wlves' hand.

And I suspect there will be one or two minimum/near minimum salary players whose names haven't surfaced yet.

Boy do I wish they could dump Calderon.
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m2 minutes ago
Free agent I'm hearing that LeBron James would love the Cavs to sign: Chicago's Mike Dunleavy

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 56s57 seconds ago
But all the latest signals continue to stress that both Jimmy Butler and Mike Dunleavy are HIGHLY likely to be back with the Bulls

In comment 12348949 nygiants16 said:

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Michael Scotto ‏@MikeAScotto 59s60 seconds ago Sources: Tobias Harris would prefer not to return to the Orlando Magic and play for Scott Skiles, who previously coached him in Milwaukee.

Just don't like the fit at this point.

In comment 12348957 manh george said:

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As of yesterday, the Knicks were trying to pry him away from Minnesota. He has until 7/10 to sign a contract. I don;t know exactly what the Knicks could offer the Wolves, but if Bjelica really wants the Knicks, he can hold off until the last day or so and try to force the Wlves' hand. And I suspect there will be one or two minimum/near minimum salary players whose names haven't surfaced yet. Boy do I wish they could dump Calderon. Link - ( New Window )

We dont know if the Knicks can dump Calderon, Phil may be waiting to get commitments first then dump him...he may have a deal ready just in case they get commitments and need the money...

I would be ok with Grant and Galloway as the PGs going into the season..

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In comment 12348949 nygiants16 said: Quote: Michael Scotto ‏@MikeAScotto 59s60 seconds ago Sources: Tobias Harris would prefer not to return to the Orlando Magic and play for Scott Skiles, who previously coached him in Milwaukee. Just don't like the fit at this point.

If you get Jordan, i dont mind Harris because then play Melo and Harris at the 3-4 wont kill you because you have a very good defensive 5 BUT i dont know if Harris is worth the money is going to get...

In comment 12348943 nygiants16 said:

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Michael Scotto �@MikeAScotto 23s24 seconds ago Brook Lopez is expected to re-sign with the Nets. He wants to stay. Lionel Hollins & Billy King want him back & Mason Plumlee was traded.

championship

is too redundant. Id rather use the money elsewhere.

Wade market apparently. 2 for 30, woooooooooooooo

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is too redundant. Id rather use the money elsewhere.

Same

And Jordan said to the Knicks i will sign right now but you have to bring Wade also and Wade says yes...

Would you guys do it?

Jordan gets his max..

wade gets 3 years 16 million to start...

i said that yesterday. Wade can ask for whatever he wants, but teams are just not going to be crazy bout giving out 40+ mill to a guy who plays 60 games a year and is getting older. I think MIA will end up overpaying him a bit, but if they dont i think he will have to sign a reasonable deal.

In comment 12348850 bigbluehoya said:

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But that roster looks like the money was burning a hole in our pocket and we just had to spend it. Like Monroe. Would only like West on the cheap, which is highly unlikely. Pass hard on Afflalo at the numbers floated. Aminu is interesting.

Yep. Went from being "smart" about free agency this year and next to hey someone, anyone take Dolan's money. What's the plan Phil?

i just dont see how you can pay Wade 16 per for 3 years. 2/30 like Dan said i might be ok with, but that third year would kill me. Like i said earlier though if you sign a Jordan then bringin in Wade makes some sense. If healthy that team could do some damage in the playoffs. Especially if Grant/KP improve as the year goes on. With Melo, Wade, and Jordan we would have some very solid vets who get stuck without deals come sign on for the min if i had to guess.

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is too redundant. Id rather use the money elsewhere.

I'd rather spend on Harris instead of the role player wings (Afflalo, Carroll, Green, etc) and worry bout fit later.

that Harris isnt a role player?

In comment 12348981 nygiants16 said:

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And Jordan said to the Knicks i will sign right now but you have to bring Wade also and Wade says yes... Would you guys do it? Jordan gets his max.. wade gets 3 years 16 million to start...

3 years for Wade would be lunacy.

is a bit overstated. He's not really an iso ball player. He is a stretch 4 that can take advantage of smaller guys in the post. He get a decent amount of point off putbacks. He is athletic enough to become a decent defender at the 4 as well. I'm not sure where he gets the perception that he plays like Melo, just look at his career high, not many of his points come for isolations.

That said, he is not as good of a passer as Monroe and therefore not as good of a fit for the triangle. At that point, its a question if you value fit over floor spacing.
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Aldridge and Butler would be ideal. But signing Butler is a prayer

Defensively Butler and Grant would be great. Aldridge fits real nice in triangle

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that Harris isnt a role player?

17/6 at 22 with 3 point range? If that's a role player then sign me up.

if Miami does not. He went to college over there and Jason Kidd loves savvy vets like him. They would need to clear some cap space for him, but I am sure there would be takers for OJ Mayo (Dallas for one) and can pair Zaza to go along with him.

he put up solid numbers on a crap team. He also plays average at best D which is another reason that him and Melo would be a bad fit. You would be asking Jordan to really carry the D.

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he put up solid numbers on a crap team. He also plays average at best D which is another reason that him and Melo would be a bad fit.

And this is different from Monroe how exactly?

In comment 12348938 nygiants16 said:

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Even if they use all of their cap space they will not be locked into this team...

The will be if they make shitty signings. If they Afflalo is owed $25 million in years 2-3 and is playing like a $2 million player, we're locked into him.

I'm fine giving big money deals to Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe. But I really dont want to pay $10+ million per for guys like Afflalo, Matthews, Carroll and Green.

What team was successful paying well above MLE rates to incoming UFA role players when you didnt have a core of 2-3 stars in place already? People see teams winning with these guys making $2-3 million and think it is therefore fine to pay them $10 million. I just dont think the league works like that.

Take a bunch of fliers on $2-4 million guys. See who works, and resign them next offeseason (with cheap cap holds, so you sign better UFAs first).

one is a PF/C and one is a SF. Monroe also is an elite rebounder which Harris isnt and a better passer. He had a per of 21 vs 16 for Harris. I also think its easier to find a SF who can do what Harris can do then it is to find a big that can do what Monroe can do,.

I dont not like Harris, i dont like his fit, and im not sold on him yet.

"If you think Kyle O�Quinn has some unrealized upside, and no one is offering him more than $3 million per season, why not see if you can get him on a three-year, $12 million with the mid-level?"

I am not sure if thats an accurate indication of O'Quinn's value, but if we can get Afflalo at $9million or below and give O'quinn 3 years, $12 million I would be totally alright with that.

This is assuming we strikeout on Aldridge or Jordan, which I think we will.

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O'Quinn baby!

thats basically vet min? You arent getting anyone with any upside for that much.

I like Monroe more than Harris, but if we end up missing on star players, Harris is a better signing post-Melo era than Monroe is.

dealt again

Darnell Mayberry
‏@DarnellMayberry
The Thunder has traded the contract of Luke Ridnour to Toronto along with cash to create a $2.85 million trade exception.

In comment 12349024 giantsfan44ab said:

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Tobias Harris? He's a SF in every sense of the word.

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and Biyombo is $5 million, those are 2 high upside players on small contracts.

with or without Melo? Monroe if nothing else is equal to Harris and plays a much harder position to fill.

so I was going off of that. I guess when you are playing Aaron Gordon and Harris together, you have 2 tweeners together and assign them arbitrary positions.

if we don't think we can build a championship roster with Monroe and Melo, in 5 years, Harris will be 27.

Anyways, I am not really trying to argue this, like I said, I like Monroe, I just think Harris is more versatile.

im still expecting at least Bismack to get more then 5. But hey if your getting them for those costs then great, im on board. Im just saying the idea that we can get a bunch of cheap guys with upside is very unlikely. I have a feeling people are going to be "shocked" by the kind of deals guys get.

He seems to think a lot of those guys can be had for 4 or less. We know Biyambo will make less than $5.5, or else MJ would have been able to trade him. Carroll made $2.5 million x2.

But yeah, cheap guys. Im not convinced that there is a lot of consistency in the mid level of production anyway. With age, situation, scheme, etc., it's entirely likely to me that from a hand full of bargain bin guys you get one surprise starter and a good rotation guy.

at first has pretty much left me after hearing about a potential $39 million deal. If for his value we could instead get O'Quinn, Biyombo, and Gerald Green, I would not even think about Afflalo.

can be overrated. Gimme guys who can do things really well. Monroe is a much better fit.

if they needed a trade exception...

In comment 12349030 DanMetroMan said:

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dealt again Darnell Mayberry ‏@DarnellMayberry The Thunder has traded the contract of Luke Ridnour to Toronto along with cash to create a $2.85 million trade exception.

Good lord, this guy and Steve Blake are like pass around joints. Puff Puff now pass it on.

and advanced stats on both ends of the floor than Afflalo. He averaged more PPG than afflalo did in 19 minutes a game...

2 years ago, he averaged 16 PPG on 40% shooting. I know he has some JR Smith to him, but to get a better player than Afflalo at 1/4 the cost is a no brainer.

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really hope the Knicks are wise and don't pay Afflalo that ridiculous contract. I like him but that's insane for a guy coming off the season he had.

for signing Biyombo. He can be the rim protector/rebounder they need and he won't cost much at all.

In comment 12349065 EricNY33 said:

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really hope the Knicks are wise and don't pay Afflalo that ridiculous contract. I like him but that's insane for a guy coming off the season he had.

I'd rather carry the cap space into the season and potentially rent it out for a pick then spend it on this guy.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 57s58 seconds ago
Yahoo Sources: Sacramento probing Kentucky's John Calipari about interest in running front office and coaching.

3 point shooter and a better defender then Afflalo IMO.. two things this team absolutely needs. He is also youger. Green, Monroe and O'quinn or Koufos would be a nice haul. Or Deandre and Green